Author Topic: Symbiostock Co-op Launched (Read 25339 times)

KimsCreativeHub · « **Reply #25 on:** March 14, 2014, 15:23 »

Oh and what I'm doing is the small / basic stuff, tweaking my text on front page, uploading ect.

My Very Best

KimsCreativeHub.com

Reef · « **Reply #26 on:** April 01, 2014, 06:51 »

Quote from: cascoly on February 12, 2014, 13:04

my basic goal here is to increase the size, variety & visibility of symbiostock, so i'm trying to keep things as simple as possible -- i'm open to any questions or suggestions.

I'm a Designer who buys stock imagery and illustrations, and even supported Symbiostock for a while. You asked for suggestions (see attached) which, if applied, would at the very least stop other Designers walking away from your site. Guaranteed :) Unfortunately, I don't even know where to start on your typography, so I wont! Good luck.

KimsCreativeHub · « **Reply #27 on:** April 01, 2014, 08:16 »

Quote from: Reef on April 01, 2014, 06:51

Quote from: cascoly on February 12, 2014, 13:04
my basic goal here is to increase the size, variety & visibility of symbiostock, so i'm trying to keep things as simple as possible -- i'm open to any questions or suggestions.

I'm a Designer who buys stock imagery and illustrations, and even supported Symbiostock for a while. You asked for suggestions (see attached) which, if applied, would at the very least stop other Designers walking away from your site. Guaranteed Unfortunately, I don't even know where to start on your typography, so I wont! Good luck.

It is wonderful to here from a designer!

I would love to also here your comments on your "buying experience" as in prices, finding what you need for projects ect.

My Very Best

KimsCreativeHub.com

AYA · « **Reply #28 on:** April 01, 2014, 11:19 »

Is it just me or has Symbiostock gotten more expensive in the last month?
I tried a Photoshelter site and they are only 10$ a month for the basic site that has a store and you keep 90% of the profit.
I'm not trying to be critical here and maybe I'm not seeing the full picture but what is the benefit of Symbiostock ove Photoshelter at that price point?

If anyone want to check out Photoshelter, here's a referal link that gives you a free trial and a dicount: http://www.photoshelter.com/referral/JU6FR5LN8H

Shelma1 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 01, 2014, 11:34 »

It's just you.

cascoly · « **Reply #30 on:** April 01, 2014, 14:23 »

Quote from: Reef on April 01, 2014, 06:51

Quote from: cascoly on February 12, 2014, 13:04
my basic goal here is to increase the size, variety & visibility of symbiostock, so i'm trying to keep things as simple as possible -- i'm open to any questions or suggestions.

I'm a Designer who buys stock imagery and illustrations, and even supported Symbiostock for a while. You asked for suggestions (see attached) which, if applied, would at the very least stop other Designers walking away from your site. Guaranteed Unfortunately, I don't even know where to start on your typography, so I wont! Good luck.

my request for suggestions was meant re the idea of the co-op, but the critique of my home page is appreciated. they were all helpful comments & i'll get to work on your suggestions

not sure tho, what you meant by typography -- I use only one font, trying to keep it minimal

cascoly · « **Reply #31 on:** April 01, 2014, 14:30 »

Quote from: newby514 on April 01, 2014, 11:19

Is it just me or has Symbiostock gotten more expensive in the last month?
I tried a Photoshelter site and they are only 10$ a month for the basic site that has a store and you keep 90% of the profit.
I'm not trying to be critical here and maybe I'm not seeing the full picture but what is the benefit of Symbiostock ove Photoshelter at that price point?

....

symbiostock is free, always has been - maybe you're confusing it with the co-op? that's for people who don't want the hassles of running their own sym or Photoshelter site, or who want to try out symbiostock with minimal investment

not sure about photoshelter but a major advantage of symbiostock over smugmug is SEO -- over 70% of my images were indexed by google on my sym site, compared to zilch on smugmug; same for traffic - very little to the smugmug site compared to steady traffic on dym

r2d2 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2014, 05:39 »

Hi Cascoly,

can i see an existing Website which is running on the CO-OP for example please?

mlwinphoto · « **Reply #33 on:** April 28, 2014, 12:38 »

Quote from: R2D2 on April 28, 2014, 05:39

Hi Cascoly,

can i see an existing Website which is running on the CO-OP for example please?

Ditto. Seriously considering this.

Ava Glass · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2014, 14:19 »

KimsCreativeHub.com is part of the co-op, I believe. Her page opens as "http://kimscreativehub.symbiostock-network.com."

cascoly · « **Reply #35 on:** April 28, 2014, 21:58 »

the other is http://outsideimage.symbiostock-network.com

we're leaving for 5 weeks in turkey on May 12, so if anyone is interested in getting started, I can get the sites going before I leave. while traveling i'll be able to do maintenance and support, but no new installs

steve

r2d2 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 29, 2014, 03:27 »

Ava and Cascoly many thx.

Here is my specific problem in the Agreement:

This standard license agreement is between you (buyer) – the End User – and R2D2.

This means that the contract is concluded directly between R2D2 and the buyer. In German law (I think it is similar throughout the eu) symbiostock-network.com is only a broker.
But this is a Problem because than i have do pay the taxes in germany which depends on every buyers homecountry.
That is very difficult and it is the same i have when i host my own Symbiowebsite.

If is the contract is between buyer and symbistock-network.com i (as a Contributor) have only to report the monthly payment thats much easier. Because than symbistock-network.com is an Agency not a broker.
This is one reason why it is so easy for germans to work with the conventional agencies.
You can see it in the agreements of the big 4 always the angency is contractor for the buyer.

I know it's complicated but it comes here very much on the details.
The idea of symbiostock-network.com is great and i think there is a great need for that!

At this time symbiostock-network.com can only fix the technical issues not the law and tax problems for me.

r2d2 · « **Reply #37 on:** April 29, 2014, 03:28 »

sorry double post please delete.

stocked · « **Reply #38 on:** April 29, 2014, 04:26 »

Quote from: R2D2 on April 29, 2014, 03:27

But this is a Problem because than i have do pay the taxes in germany which depends on every buyers homecountry.

You are aware it's only 7% and you can offset it with the 19% VAT you have paid for lenses, cameras etc. It's not a problem people just tend to make a problem out of it.
If you wanna be on the save side just report the 7% VAT on every sale, you still make 93% of every sale and the German tax office will love you

r2d2 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 29, 2014, 05:01 »

Quote from: stocked on April 29, 2014, 04:26

Quote from: R2D2 on April 29, 2014, 03:27

But this is a Problem because than i have do pay the taxes in germany which depends on every buyers homecountry.

You are aware it's only 7% and you can offset it with the 19% VAT you have paid for lenses, cameras etc. It's not a problem people just tend to make a problem out of it.
If you wanna be on the save side just report the 7% VAT on every sale, you still make 93% of every sale and the German tax office will love you

Yes you can handle it like this and this can fix the tax issue (and i falling in love with my tax office

) .
But this only one site of the problem. There a maybe law issues when you not only deal with an Agency.

I think an Agency solution would orgen for a massive grow of Symbio.
Make things easy and the people will come to Symbio and would leave the convetional Agencies

.

stocked · « **Reply #40 on:** April 29, 2014, 05:06 »

Quote from: R2D2 on April 29, 2014, 05:01

There a maybe law issues when you not only deal with an Agency.

What law issues? You are always responsible for your photos regardless if you sell over an agency or direct!
You see problems where aren't any!

r2d2 · « **Reply #41 on:** April 29, 2014, 06:02 »

"You are always responsible for your photos regardless if you sell over an agency or direct"
Yes i know thats not my problem.

I mean problems in connection with the conduct of websites.

Some questions:
Which law is applicable when I am a contributor of symbiostock-network.com and I live in Germany?
How should i make an invoice to the buyers when i have no direct contact to them?
Do I need somthing like AGB, Widerufsrecht, Datenschutzerklärung, Impressum?

When you host a Symbiostocksite by your self and you live in germany:
Which law is applicable?
Do I need somthing like AGB, Widerufsrecht, Datenschutzerklärung, Impressum?

I will not create problems. These are questions that interest me and prevent me to start my own Symbisotock-Website.
And I think it is similar to many others.

stocked · « **Reply #42 on:** April 29, 2014, 06:31 »

You have to follow the same rules like with any website.
If Symbiostock is your first website you may join a webdesign forum.

jsfoto · « **Reply #43 on:** April 29, 2014, 06:38 »

Hi R2D2

this is Jochen from Germany. I run www.flashstockphoto.com within the Symbiostock network since almost one year now.

I understand your concerns ... I had the same when starting my site. What I did was building my site, then presenting it to my lawyer.

After some minor changes in my texts he said: Everything is fine now. Of course I can't give you any legal guarantee, but feel free to have a look to my site or send me an e-mail via my contact form for further exchange of ideas.

oboy · « **Reply #44 on:** April 29, 2014, 09:35 »

How is it with sales taxes if I am living in the US? Do I have to deals with sales taxes then?

Also is it possible to start with Plan B and change it later to Plan A? Is the fee for "Symbiostock sitemap plugin" a one time fee?

r2d2 · « **Reply #45 on:** April 29, 2014, 10:07 »

Quote from: stocked on April 29, 2014, 06:31

You have to follow the same rules like with any website.
If Symbiostock is your first website you may join a webdesign forum.

sorry it is no question of webdesign. It is a question of international commercial law.
I can assure you this is not my first project of eCommerce.
Also, I can install wordpress or an cms.

Hey Jürgen great site!
But for me is currently only a co-op solution in question.

cascoly · « **Reply #46 on:** April 29, 2014, 16:17 »

Quote from: oboy on April 29, 2014, 09:35

How is it with sales taxes if I am living in the US? Do I have to deals with sales taxes then?

Also is it possible to start with Plan B and change it later to Plan A? Is the fee for "Symbiostock sitemap plugin" a one time fee?

yes you can switch from B to A at any time -- royalties rates will change when plan A is activated. You can switch from B to A at the end of any 3 month period.

I take care of any US taxes (which only affects people in WA state who buy from my site)

to answer other questions:
if you run your own website for symbiostock, then the laws of your home are in effect.

if you submit thru the co-op, then it's similar to a stock agency, where you don't have direct contact with the buyer, and receive a royalty/commission from Cascoly, based in US

one difference however, is that unlike agencies, I will also pass on the buyer's information to the artist and they can contact the buyer directly if they wish

the fee for the sitemap plugin or PRO plugin is a onetime fee - you can transfer it if you move to another plan or host

r2d2 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 30, 2014, 02:29 »

Quote from: cascoly on April 29, 2014, 16:17

if you submit thru the co-op, then it's similar to a stock agency, where you don't have direct contact with the buyer, and receive a royalty/commission from Cascoly, based in US

yes in the practical application. But not necessarily in relation to Law.

It is possible to include in the End User License Agreement that the contract between the buyer and symbiostock-network.com comes about?

cascoly · « **Reply #48 on:** April 30, 2014, 05:32 »

yes the license can be modified by each artist

r2d2 · « **Reply #49 on:** April 30, 2014, 11:12 »

Quote from: cascoly on April 30, 2014, 05:32

yes the license can be modified by each artist

and cascoly/symbiostock-networks.com also agree to be contractor for the buyers of images?

Can i see the contract for sign up Plan B?

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