100% Stability. Lets fix the final few bugs. The Final Bug Stomping Thread+

[Leo Blanchette]

Give me an admin to your site. I'll fix that asap. (gonna upload a new version of the theme)

[ajt]

You are admin all the time.

[Ron]

Just an update:


Also 404's coming from compound tags have been fixed. HOWEVER compound-keywords are still not found in human searches.

Hi Leo, is there any way to get that fixed? I rely heavily on compound keyword searches for 25% of my portfolio.

[Leo Blanchette]

Just an update:


Also 404's coming from compound tags have been fixed. HOWEVER compound-keywords are still not found in human searches.

Hi Leo, is there any way to get that fixed? I rely heavily on compound keyword searches for 25% of my portfolio.

I have you in mind for that. I spent a good portion of the day on it before I gave up due to having to make a function that made too many requests on the database.

If your curious as to why this happens this way - we get a choice:

Search for a number of terms in an AND operation:

Example: Rhode Island

What happens: Look for the terms Rhode AND Island.

Example: Man Running Fast

What happens: Look for the terms Man AND running AND fast.

So if you have separate terms "Rhode" and "Island" you get found. If you (as you know) have compound terms "Rhode Island" being one term, you get skipped, because the program splits your search terms by default, making them separate.

To skip a LOT of details right now, we have a choice:

AND or OR as a basis for search. If I try to retain your original query (Rhode Island) and search also for "Rhode" and "Island" we will get nothing, because we are in fact searching for THREE terms, and its unlikely all those terms exist in any one image. I

Now in the world of databases there are far better ways to do this. BUT WORDPRESS does not put much priority on search, so their database, although lightning fast, makes a lot of constraints that are almost impossible to break out of without breaking the rules, like doing too many separate queries.

The SOLUTION is to build a SEPARATE database for Symbiostock, which has a structure optimized for searching TITLES, DESCRIPTION, and KEYWORDS as well as word fragments. THEN it must take these results and still play well with wordpress. I had this on my first website, and it worked great.

What are we looking at to do this? Basically time to write it, and then making the transition seamless by putting it into the installer, and then writing in safeguards to verify your images get updated properly - even if you have thousands. And its perfectly possible to make the system not interfere with what we already have.

This is probably a very good idea, but right now I'm forced to take a more well-rounded approach to development - this operation will be quite intensive but its in the plan. For now what we've done is stopped the 404's on your tag pages, which is very good.

[Ron]

Thank you for explaining Leo. It does have me worried a lot though, as is now, my rhode island flag, or new york flag, or south dakota flag, or wicklow mountain images are not found unless I split up the keywords.

It means I need to split up New York Flag in New and York and Flag which is going to return a lot of garbage results when a buyer searches my site for York which is a different city and I dont have any of York, instead they will find the New York flag then. Which is not related to what they are looking for.

For example, if I split up Rhode Island Flag to Rhode and Island and Flag, then the keyword Rhode doesnt make sense, and when they search for an Island it will bring up the Rhode Island flag.

I had no idea WP was so limited on the search as for blogs compound keywords are used as well.  Search is the heart of a site when selling images, if the search doesnt work, buyers will leave. Which defeats the whole purpose of Symbiostock.

Anhoo, the only way to bring up my images is to split the keywords, and take the garbage search results on the chin.

[Leo Blanchette]

I could implement a search for compound keywords like "Rhode Island" but then it would reject all other AND searches, making "Rhode Island Flag" not show up. Its a horrible situation. I just have to make a database. In the meantime though you can greatly supplement this by your categories and on-site advertising of them.

[Ron]

Buyers hardly use categories. If they cant find Rhode Island flag, then they leave. Probably never come back, and tell the other buyer, that my site sucks.

Google will pick up on the phrases, no problem there, but a site search could result in 25% of my images never to be found. Thats a big chunk.

When I read articles on Google about keywording for Word Press they all suggest to use keyword phrases, so I dont understand why the search cant work like that on Word Press, but thats just my own technical limitation to understand how a search engine works.

So all I can do now is go back and split up all my phrases.

Please understand, I am not blaming anyone, just expressing my concerns. You did a great job. 

[Leo Blanchette]

Go back and split everything?? How bout I just write you a quick code to do it for you?

[Leo Blanchette]

If you don't mind being patient, the professional upgrade will have the database along with a few other goodies.

[Ron]

Its even worse http://semmickphoto.com/?s=new+york+city+flag&post_type=image

New York City Flag - four words

New and York and City and Flag. I shoot many images in Dublin, which are tagged with city,including all my Chicago, st Louis and London images.

A buyer looking for New York City Flag, will be presented with all my city images, including New York state flag and all my other city flags, the image he is looking for is buried somewhere between a hundred images when the search result should bring up only ONE image.

[Ron]

If you don't mind being patient, the professional upgrade will have the database along with a few other goodies.

Sure, no problem. But dont you need to get some sleep ? 

[Ron]

Go back and split everything?? How bout I just write you a quick code to do it for you?

Thank you for that, but I need to keep the phrases in tact, I meant I have to go back and add the separate keywords.

[Leo Blanchette]

Its even worse http://semmickphoto.com/?s=new+york+city+flag&post_type=image

New York City Flag - four words

New and York and City and Flag. I shoot many images in Dublin, which are tagged with city,including all my Chicago, st Louis and London images.

A buyer looking for New York City Flag, will be presented with all my city images, including New York state flag and all my other city flags, the image he is looking for is buried somewhere between a hundred images when the search result should bring up only ONE image.

Not so. Thats an OR operation. AND would be "new" AND "york" and "city" and "flag" ... so only the images sharing those keywords get chosen. Thats how it is now.

I have an idea - a small compromise.

I'll make a small script for the Genetics Lab plugin I made and give it to you. It will take all of your compound words, SPLIT THEM, and add new ones to the original set and RETAIN the original compound word for future use.

If you like that I can set that up for you tonight.

[ajt]

Could you give a direct link to image? It is not showing in my search engine, and I want to know why

[Pilens]

This is bad news, indeed 

My Wordfence plugin shows today a bunch of very precise google searches landing on my site. Guess half of the images never showed up because of this. What a pity! 

I guess search on symbiostock.info is working with a non-WP database then. Compound keywords don't seem to be a problem there.

Well, it is so amazing watching Symbiostock evolving so fast that it is quite a surprise that patience is still asked often 

[Ron]

Its even worse http://semmickphoto.com/?s=new+york+city+flag&post_type=image

New York City Flag - four words

New and York and City and Flag. I shoot many images in Dublin, which are tagged with city,including all my Chicago, st Louis and London images.

A buyer looking for New York City Flag, will be presented with all my city images, including New York state flag and all my other city flags, the image he is looking for is buried somewhere between a hundred images when the search result should bring up only ONE image.

Not so. Thats an OR operation. AND would be "new" AND "york" and "city" and "flag" ... so only the images sharing those keywords get chosen. Thats how it is now.

I have an idea - a small compromise.

I'll make a small script for the Genetics Lab plugin I made and give it to you. It will take all of your compound words, SPLIT THEM, and add new ones to the original set and RETAIN the original compound word for future use.

If you like that I can set that up for you tonight.

That would be awesome. I just purchased the genetics lab from you. That should show up on your Paypal balance now 

[Kerioak~Christine]

If I search for "dog beach Spain" nothing comes up for my site but my images come up on the strawberry

http://stockimages.kerioak.com/?s=dog++beach+spain&submit=Search&post_type=image


Edit:   Ignore this, I assume my site timed out before it could finish searching it

[Ron]

Could you give a direct link to image? It is not showing in my search engine, and I want to know why

http://semmickphoto.com/image/new-york-city-flag-painted-on-a-mans-face/
http://semmickphoto.com/image/san-francisco-flag-painted-on-a-mans-face/
http://semmickphoto.com/image/chicago-flag-painted-on-a-mans-face/

[Ron]

If I search for "dog beach Spain" nothing comes up for my site but my images come up on the strawberry

http://stockimages.kerioak.com/?s=dog++beach+spain&submit=Search&post_type=image

So it is possible then ?

[Leo Blanchette]

If I search for "dog beach Spain" nothing comes up for my site but my images come up on the strawberry

http://stockimages.kerioak.com/?s=dog++beach+spain&submit=Search&post_type=image

So it is possible then ?

The rogue strawberry has its own database. Yes its possible with a new database which I hope to make soon. Wordpress's is also possible, but only if I add 3 more queries which is heavy on your site.

[Leo Blanchette]

So example - unless I'm wrong, you should have an image with the keywords "dog" and "beach" and "spain" in one image. Unless there is an interesting beach called "Dog beach" found in "spain".

Example: Orange man running

http://www.clipartillustration.com/?s=orange+man+running&submit=Search&post_type=image

Each of those images have orange and man and running

[Kerioak~Christine]

Maybe it just timed out - now working, sorry

[cascoly]

I could implement a search for compound keywords like "Rhode Island" but then it would reject all other AND searches, making "Rhode Island Flag" not show up. Its a horrible situation. I just have to make a database. In the meantime though you can greatly supplement this by your categories and on-site advertising of them.

right - your explanation of the and/or searches is why I've broken out keywords at http://symbiostock.cascoly.com -- the AND becomes much easier and  quicker.

using keywords directly, I can search for 'Rhode Island' or 'New York' and not get other island pictures, etc

I've added searches using the promoted keywords and will be adding additional keyword searches.

[ajt]

http://semmickphoto.com/image/new-york-city-flag-painted-on-a-mans-face/
http://semmickphoto.com/image/san-francisco-flag-painted-on-a-mans-face/
http://semmickphoto.com/image/chicago-flag-painted-on-a-mans-face/

They are new and public image info doesn't have them yet.

[Ron]

AJT, I updated that now, thanks 

Casoly, I am not a programmer so I cant do that, I wish i could !!! 

You are people of many talents, I can only shoot crapstock, lol