Author Topic: Super Image Market - you get 80% of each sales (Read 33157 times)

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #25 on:** March 18, 2015, 04:52 »

Quote from: hatman12 on March 17, 2015, 23:29

"2.4 Under this contract you must:
　　2.4.1 Be the Copyright owner of the Images or have authority from the Copyright owner to enter into the Contract. You must have a written agreement with each copyright holder of the Images if you are not the Copyright owner of the Images. Once we ensure your images have actual infringement of copyright, you will be fined $ 10,000 USD and deducted 50 points. When your account balance is greater than or equal to $ 10,000 USD, we will deduct the fine from your balance directly; if your account balance is less than $ 10,000 USD, you need to submit $ 10,000 USD within 3 days, otherwise, we will freeze your account, including your account balance."

BWhahahahahahaha, never in a million years. Thats open to all kinds of abuse and fraud.

marthamarks · « **Reply #26 on:** March 18, 2015, 11:00 »

Quote from: Jojo - Super Image Market on March 17, 2015, 23:08

Quote from: marthamarks on March 17, 2015, 22:10
Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on March 17, 2015, 12:37

From the FAQ:
"You are recommended to contact the Contributor directly for such infringement; you can get the personal contact information on the home page of the contributor, including the name, address, telephone number, and email address."

Wow, that's a dead end for me, and probably for most other contributors. No way.

Thank you for your focus on SIM. We viewed your image on Shutterstock and dreamstime, they are really good.

Thank you for the compliment. I sincerely appreciate it!

However, these details in your contract (as hatman12 quoted it), are rather bizarre:

"Once we ensure your images have actual infringement of copyright, you will be fined $ 10,000 USD and deducted 50 points. When your account balance is greater than or equal to $ 10,000 USD, we will deduct the fine from your balance directly; if your account balance is less than $ 10,000 USD, you need to submit $ 10,000 USD within 3 days, otherwise, we will freeze your account, including your account balance."

So very sorry, but nobody is going to go for that.

cascoly · « **Reply #27 on:** March 18, 2015, 18:22 »

I made 2 test uploads of a small number of files -- after uploading the 1st batch, I went to edit and the images were shown, I selected all and tried to submit without adding any of the extra data like # of people & gender, but it says:

"Select the picture information is incomplete"

? and then says 'saved for later'

somehow only one image was accepted, all the rest disappeared

it also messes up the keywords by inserting text, so it reads:

Please fill the image information in English.burma,cottages,dawn,floating,glow,Golden,hotel,Hupin,Inle,Lake,Myanmar,reflection,room,Sunrise,water,

I uploaded another small batch, and this time no images were accepted - they just sit waiting to be edited

zstoimenov · « **Reply #28 on:** March 18, 2015, 20:13 »

Quote from: hatman12 on March 17, 2015, 23:29

"2.4 Under this contract you must:
　　2.4.1 Be the Copyright owner of the Images or have authority from the Copyright owner to enter into the Contract. You must have a written agreement with each copyright holder of the Images if you are not the Copyright owner of the Images. Once we ensure your images have actual infringement of copyright, you will be fined $ 10,000 USD and deducted 50 points. When your account balance is greater than or equal to $ 10,000 USD, we will deduct the fine from your balance directly; if your account balance is less than $ 10,000 USD, you need to submit $ 10,000 USD within 3 days, otherwise, we will freeze your account, including your account balance."

Jojo, can you comment on this please.

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #29 on:** March 18, 2015, 21:04 »

Quote from: Ariene on March 18, 2015, 04:21

Quote from: Jojo - Super Image Market on March 17, 2015, 21:29
About the price, the contributor is the only person to set the price, maybe you find some normal images with a higher price, while some excellent images with a lower price, but all these are decided by contributors, we believe they will choose the right price with the development of the market.

Jojo, you give some options to choose column of pricing. It's not the same as choose price for every size handly. And for example, if I choose B2, C1 or C2 option/ column there's Extended license cheaper than the oryginal full res size. Is it correct? Why is that? C2 example, standard RF use is for original (full) size for 500$ and Ex.Lic. for 300$? I must miss something here.

About technical issue I'll be in email touch with Fredrick as got PM from him.

Hi Ariene, if the image buyers purchase a full size image for standard license and the Ex. Lic (C2 example), they have to pay 800$, which is 500$ plus 300$. While if they just purchase the full size image for standard license, they only need to pay 500$. I hope the explanation could help you. Thanks.

LouisPhotos · « **Reply #30 on:** March 18, 2015, 21:20 »

just be compatible with stocksubmitter and i wil go selll photo there

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #31 on:** March 18, 2015, 21:22 »

Quote from: cascoly on March 18, 2015, 18:22

I made 2 test uploads of a small number of files -- after uploading the 1st batch, I went to edit and the images were shown, I selected all and tried to submit without adding any of the extra data like # of people & gender, but it says:

"Select the picture information is incomplete" ? and then says 'saved for later'

somehow only one image was accepted, all the rest disappeared

it also messes up the keywords by inserting text, so it reads:

Please fill the image information in English.burma,cottages,dawn,floating,glow,Golden,hotel,Hupin,Inle,Lake,Myanmar,reflection,room,Sunrise,water,

I uploaded another small batch, and this time no images were accepted - they just sit waiting to be edited

Hi cascoly, sorry for the inconvenient on this matter.
First, all the information has to be filled before you sumbit, so please make sure you have filled all the required information in English. And then, you have to choose the images you want to submit, uauslly, you could choose all and click the submit button on image editing page. Save for later is help you to save the information you have filled in images, you could view your images on edit image and you could see all the information you have filled before are all kept. If you want to submit them, you need to go to image editing page to click the submit button.

For more image uploading and editinformation, you could visit our blog: http://blog.superimagemarket.com

Please let me know if you have any questions or problems if I could give any assistance.

Thank you for your foucs on SIM and thank you for your register.

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #32 on:** March 18, 2015, 22:24 »

Quote from: zstoimenov on March 18, 2015, 20:13

Quote from: hatman12 on March 17, 2015, 23:29
"2.4 Under this contract you must:
　　2.4.1 Be the Copyright owner of the Images or have authority from the Copyright owner to enter into the Contract. You must have a written agreement with each copyright holder of the Images if you are not the Copyright owner of the Images. Once we ensure your images have actual infringement of copyright, you will be fined $ 10,000 USD and deducted 50 points. When your account balance is greater than or equal to $ 10,000 USD, we will deduct the fine from your balance directly; if your account balance is less than $ 10,000 USD, you need to submit $ 10,000 USD within 3 days, otherwise, we will freeze your account, including your account balance."
Jojo, can you comment on this please.

Many thanks for your focus on SIM.
Firstly, we make this policy in order to purify the image market on SIM. SIM is an open, free and fair market for all contributors, we do this with the hope that to restrict the piracy photographers who may exist. We do this with the hope that to protect most of the copyright photographers. But yes, we saw many opinions and suggestions on this policy, we are planning to discuss and research on this matter, in order to make it more suitable and executable.
Please contact me if you have any advises on this, we will take them in mind when we make a new clause.
Thank you again for your focus.

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #33 on:** March 18, 2015, 22:27 »

Quote from: lopolo on March 18, 2015, 21:20

just be compatible with stocksubmitter and i wil go selll photo there

Thank you for your focus on SIM, we do talking about this with stocksubmitter and I'm sure we will compatible with it very soon.

marthamarks · « **Reply #34 on:** March 18, 2015, 23:13 »

Jojo, please understand: not a single person on MSG is supportive of image pirates. We do not rejoice at the idea that somebody might steal our images (or anybody's images) and offer them for sale on your website. If somebody happened to do that, we would definitely like to see him or her stopped, even punished.

But your solution, as described in your contract language, is absurd.

How many image pirates (or anybody else, for that matter) are likely to accumulate $10,000 in royalties at your company without pulling that money out? Not many, I suspect.

And if image pirates are going to steal somebody else's images, how likely is it that they will comply with your demand that they pay you $10,000 as a penalty? Not very likely, I'm sure

That language in your contract is laughable.

Deyan Georgiev Photography · « **Reply #35 on:** March 19, 2015, 00:18 »

I find so much unnecessary complexities in this site just on first look:

Cash out from every six months to every month according your rating
You have to pay for storage
Three kinds of prices
Provided amercement as if from a government agency "actual infringement of copyright, you will be fined $ 10,000 USD"...

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #36 on:** March 19, 2015, 03:19 »

Quote from: marthamarks on March 18, 2015, 23:13

Jojo, please understand: not a single person on MSG is supportive of image pirates. We do not rejoice at the idea that somebody might steal our images (or anybody's images) and offer them for sale on your website. If somebody happened to do that, we would definitely like to see him or her stopped, even punished.

But your solution, as described in your contract language, is absurd.

How many image pirates (or anybody else, for that matter) are likely to accumulate $10,000 in royalties at your company without pulling that money out? Not many, I suspect.

And if image pirates are going to steal somebody else's images, how likely is it that they will comply with your demand that they pay you $10,000 as a penalty? Not very likely, I'm sure

That language in your contract is laughable.

Thank you for your advise.
Well, yes, we do realize that this clause needs some adjustment and optimization and that's what we are doing now. Before we work out, we need sometime to discuss and research, please be patient, we would like to try our best to do right things. Thanks.

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #37 on:** March 19, 2015, 03:40 »

Quote from: Deyan Georgiev on March 19, 2015, 00:18

I find so much unnecessary complexities in this site just on first look:

Cash out from every six months to every month according your rating
You have to pay for storage
Three kinds of prices
Provided amercement as if from a government agency "actual infringement of copyright, you will be fined $ 10,000 USD"...

Sorry about the inconvenient on this matter.
We restricted the cashout time in order to save the ransfer fees for both contributors and SIM, and on the hand, to reduce the risk of copyright trading.
About the storage fee, we charge it when you uplaod more than 1,000 images. And for the contributors who register before January 1, 2016. We will not charge the storage fee forever no matter how many images you uoload, that is to say, you can enjoy the free storage if you register before January 1, 2016.
Maybe you could register now.

About we are trying to adjustment and optimization the clause you mentioned.
Many thanks for your focus on SIM.

Ariene · « **Reply #38 on:** March 19, 2015, 04:45 »

Jojo, thanks for pricing explanations, now it's all clear to me!

Seeing good response from you I'm more and more trusting it will be promising platform, after you fix some details as above

Btw, your image thumbnails are much darker/ oversaturated than orig. file. Did anybody notice that?

cascoly · « **Reply #39 on:** March 19, 2015, 12:56 »

Quote from: Jojo - Super Image Market on March 18, 2015, 21:22

First, all the information has to be filled before you sumbit, so please make sure you have filled all the required information in English. And then, you have to choose the images you want to submit, uauslly, you could choose all and click the submit button on image editing page. Save for later is help you to save the information you have filled in images, you could view your images on edit image and you could see all the information you have filled before are all kept. If you want to submit them, you need to go to image editing page to click the submit button....

what is the 'required information' for each image? i looked your faq pages and didnt find anything there

here's more detail on what i've tried:

-----------

uploaded 3 batches -- 20 + 20 + 10
no error messages

my account/organize
   1 accepted image shown; nothing else

rejection
   5 images similar to first are rejected for 'technical reasons'; what happened to the other images loaded & submitted at same time?

waiting qs
   0

edit images
   14 images - 7 each from the last 2 uploads - what happened to other images?

click edit all, then select all (why do i need 2 selects?)
submit & get error message
"Select the picture information is incomplete"

1. what does this mean??
2. there is no indication of what is 'incomplete' - what fields are required? which are optional?

i edited 1 image & entered all info, got same error message

------------------
all images are listed as horizonatal, even the vertical ones

this extra text is being inserted in front of my keywords : "Please fill the image information in English"

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #40 on:** March 19, 2015, 21:23 »

Quote from: Ariene on March 19, 2015, 04:45

Jojo, thanks for pricing explanations, now it's all clear to me!

Seeing good response from you I'm more and more trusting it will be promising platform, after you fix some details as above

Btw, your image thumbnails are much darker/ oversaturated than orig. file. Did anybody notice that?

Thank you for your words. We sincerely appreciate it!
Thank tou for your advise. We do some image processing in order to enhance the visual effect for the thumbnails. We will check that for better result.
Thank you again for your trust and supports.

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #41 on:** March 20, 2015, 00:12 »

Quote from: cascoly on March 19, 2015, 12:56

Quote from: Jojo - Super Image Market on March 18, 2015, 21:22

First, all the information has to be filled before you sumbit, so please make sure you have filled all the required information in English. And then, you have to choose the images you want to submit, uauslly, you could choose all and click the submit button on image editing page. Save for later is help you to save the information you have filled in images, you could view your images on edit image and you could see all the information you have filled before are all kept. If you want to submit them, you need to go to image editing page to click the submit button....

what is the 'required information' for each image? i looked your faq pages and didnt find anything there

here's more detail on what i've tried:

-----------

uploaded 3 batches -- 20 + 20 + 10
no error messages

my account/organize
   1 accepted image shown; nothing else

rejection
   5 images similar to first are rejected for 'technical reasons'; what happened to the other images loaded & submitted at same time?

waiting qs
   0

edit images
   14 images - 7 each from the last 2 uploads - what happened to other images?

click edit all, then select all (why do i need 2 selects?)
submit & get error message
"Select the picture information is incomplete"

1. what does this mean??
2. there is no indication of what is 'incomplete' - what fields are required? which are optional?

i edited 1 image & entered all info, got same error message

------------------
all images are listed as horizonatal, even the vertical ones

this extra text is being inserted in front of my keywords : "Please fill the image information in English"

About the "Please fill the image information in English", sorry for this matter, this is a browser compatibility problem, I'll back to you when it's settled. We suggest to use Chrome brower, more stable.

About the incomplete information, all the fields with "*" are the required information which have to be filled before submit. And please choose the images before you submit, usually, I suggest you click all and click the submit.

Please notice that on the right side of the images, there is a fold/unfold button, by click it you could see part of your images or all your images.

I hope the explaination could be help. Thank you for your register, please let me know if you have any problems.

hatman12 · « **Reply #42 on:** March 20, 2015, 00:25 »

I'm pleased to see Super Image Market trying to establish a new photo agency based in Hong Kong to service HK and the Chinese market, which is of course a potentially huge market. And, of course, it's a pleasure to see a representative of SIM come here and take constructive advice from long established stock photographers.

However, I think it's obvious that the web site, terms & conditions, upload process etc all need further work. And I'd like to hear more about how the agency is going to do the translation into Mandarin and Cantonese (although I believe the characters are the same, just different pronunciation) and what their plans are for marketing and sales.

Too early for me to participate, but I'm happy to upload some trial images if that helps refine the upload and ingestion process.

I should say that I don't like the headline "you get 80% of sales" - it smacks of unreality and looks suspicious. If SIM has got money to invest to establish and grow the business, I'd rather see a lower rate of commission (perhaps in the 50% to 60% area) and heavier investment in marketing and sales.

Ariene · « **Reply #43 on:** March 20, 2015, 03:11 »

Hatman, if the newcomer can afford 80% and marketing at the same time, why do you care? I hope you're just joking with lowering %... First people here say 50% is the minimum and they are jumping into platforms offering 70-80% (easiest example is 500px which makes sales and pays 70% and that is from big amount! And it works) and now you say you don't want to earn that much because you don't trust the agency... I don't get it

One more time, if SIM can afford that, if they are prepared (I believe they are, they made calculations and searched the market before plans realisation), just be happy and support them. We are coming to new market area...
You're right it's to early to say anything here in that case, maybe after 2-4 years will be able to be 100% sure if it works or not. And after that period SIM will see if they can stay with 20%.
One more thing we need to ascertain - if SIM is just a platform where we do our own marketing (like Focal Pool etc) or it is another agency doing whole marketing for us... Sorry if I missed that info somewhere

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #44 on:** March 20, 2015, 03:58 »

Quote from: hatman12 on March 20, 2015, 00:25

I'm pleased to see Super Image Market trying to establish a new photo agency based in Hong Kong to service HK and the Chinese market, which is of course a potentially huge market. And, of course, it's a pleasure to see a representative of SIM come here and take constructive advice from long established stock photographers.

However, I think it's obvious that the web site, terms & conditions, upload process etc all need further work. And I'd like to hear more about how the agency is going to do the translation into Mandarin and Cantonese (although I believe the characters are the same, just different pronunciation) and what their plans are for marketing and sales.

Too early for me to participate, but I'm happy to upload some trial images if that helps refine the upload and ingestion process.

I should say that I don't like the headline "you get 80% of sales" - it smacks of unreality and looks suspicious. If SIM has got money to invest to establish and grow the business, I'd rather see a lower rate of commission (perhaps in the 50% to 60% area) and heavier investment in marketing and sales.

Hi, thank you for your focus on SIM and your compliment, I'm really appreciate it.
At this period, our target market is Enlish speaking countries, we may translation into Mandarin, but not at this stage.

We would appreciate if you could register and upload some images, and most important, give us some advise and suggestions, that would give us a great of help.

About the 80%, that's what we really want, we are serious.

Thank you again.

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #45 on:** March 20, 2015, 04:14 »

Quote from: Ariene on March 20, 2015, 03:11

Hatman, if the newcomer can afford 80% and marketing at the same time, why do you care? I hope you're just joking with lowering %... First people here say 50% is the minimum and they are jumping into platforms offering 70-80% (easiest example is 500px which makes sales and pays 70% and that is from big amount! And it works) and now you say you don't want to earn that much because you don't trust the agency... I don't get it
One more time, if SIM can afford that, if they are prepared (I believe they are, they made calculations and searched the market before plans realisation), just be happy and support them. We are coming to new market area...
You're right it's to early to say anything here in that case, maybe after 2-4 years will be able to be 100% sure if it works or not. And after that period SIM will see if they can stay with 20%.
One more thing we need to ascertain - if SIM is just a platform where we do our own marketing (like Focal Pool etc) or it is another agency doing whole marketing for us... Sorry if I missed that info somewhere

Thank you for your trust Ariene, we are doing what we want and we could to make the maket more sustainable and healthy.

We promot contributors manage images by themselvies (like you could sell products on ebay now ), on SIM, you could see who purchases your image and the enduser of your images, that a knid of electronic commerce in the indrstry. But of course, we will aslo do what we could to help all contributors doing marketing and business here.

Thank you again Ariene.

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #46 on:** March 20, 2015, 04:30 »

Again with the self promotion. Marketing needs to come from the agencies, and it needs to be aggressive. You cant rely on the contributors to do the marketing. Hatman is absolutely correct, 80% of a few sales is not going to entice contributors. Not enough content is not going to attract buyers. No marketing and no one will know about its existence. Aggressive marketing and 50% has a lot more potential overall.

Jojo - Super Image Market · « **Reply #47 on:** March 20, 2015, 05:20 »

Quote from: Semmick Photo on March 20, 2015, 04:30

Again with the self promotion. Marketing needs to come from the agencies, and it needs to be aggressive. You cant rely on the contributors to do the marketing. Hatman is absolutely correct, 80% of a few sales is not going to entice contributors. Not enough content is not going to attract buyers. No marketing and no one will know about its existence. Aggressive marketing and 50% has a lot more potential overall.

Thank you for your kindly advise, we will keep in mind about the aggressive marketing. But just like you said, not enough content is not going to attract buyers, that's why we come here to invite the excellent photographers as you. We would appreciate if you could join us.
About the 50%, we prefer give 80% to contributors, and of course, we will also do aggressive marketing, we need your supports and trust.

Thank you again for your advise.

fotografer · « **Reply #48 on:** March 20, 2015, 05:23 »

Aggressive marketing doesn't come cheap. Do you have the financial back up to do it?

Mantis · « **Reply #49 on:** March 20, 2015, 09:39 »

The thing is, you keep saying things like "we'll keep in mind" or "we'll think about changing our wording". Let's take the infringement issue discussed in this thread. SIM seems to think that all they need to do is change the wording of a clause and all will be well. What is SIM going to do to go after infringers? How far is SIM willing to go to protect contributor assets? I am hearing "not very far".

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