Author Topic: Video Content Management (Read 9222 times)

RAW · « **on:** January 20, 2019, 16:53 »

Hi,

Can anyone recommend some Video Content Management software?

Not for processing or converting video but for keeping track of Title, Description, Tags and where the video clip has been uploaded.

Many thanks!!!

Not Today · « **Reply #1 on:** January 21, 2019, 03:09 »

You can try Adobe Bridge if you've got Creative Cloud.

demich · « **Reply #2 on:** January 21, 2019, 08:50 »

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PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #3 on:** January 21, 2019, 11:14 »

I used to always recommend Media Pro by Phase One, it was nearly perfect in every respect. Sadly they have discontinued the product.

I did see this which may have good possibilties. http://www.cdfinder.de

mindstorm · « **Reply #4 on:** January 21, 2019, 12:19 »

Quote from: PeterChigmaroff on January 21, 2019, 11:14

I used to always recommend Media Pro by Phase One, it was nearly perfect in every respect. Sadly they have discontinued the product.

And THAT is why I typically stick with the front-runner. Over the decades, I have tried way too many "gee this looks good, and the xxx feature that yyy is missing" products. In the huge majority of cases, the cool little tool became discontinued, leaving me with thousands (and sometimes hundreds of thousands) of files that no longer had support.

No more...

I use Adobe Lightroom. The clear frontrunner in the image cataloging field. It also has top notch image editing tools, and every one of my 277,924 images has been processed by it. They also have an excellent keyword / title / description / etc, etc, etc field support.

For video, they are not suitable for editing, but still have all the metadata support. I have roughly 3000 videos in the catalog. I do all the editing of metadata inside Lightroom, then can copy/paste to any website that needs it (since video does not support metadata).

RAW · « **Reply #5 on:** January 21, 2019, 14:49 »

Quote from: mindstorm on January 21, 2019, 12:19

Quote from: PeterChigmaroff on January 21, 2019, 11:14
I used to always recommend Media Pro by Phase One, it was nearly perfect in every respect. Sadly they have discontinued the product.

And THAT is why I typically stick with the front-runner. Over the decades, I have tried way too many "gee this looks good, and the xxx feature that yyy is missing" products. In the huge majority of cases, the cool little tool became discontinued, leaving me with thousands (and sometimes hundreds of thousands) of files that no longer had support.

No more...

I use Adobe Lightroom. The clear frontrunner in the image cataloging field. It also has top notch image editing tools, and every one of my 277,924 images has been processed by it. They also have an excellent keyword / title / description / etc, etc, etc field support.

For video, they are not suitable for editing, but still have all the metadata support. I have roughly 3000 videos in the catalog. I do all the editing of metadata inside Lightroom, then can copy/paste to any website that needs it (since video does not support metadata).

I found Lightroom way too slow for managing video.
The same with Adobe Bridge. Several hundred ProRes 4K and Bridge chokes.

mindstorm · « **Reply #6 on:** January 21, 2019, 15:24 »

Quote from: RAW on January 21, 2019, 14:49

I found Lightroom way too slow for managing video.
The same with Adobe Bridge. Several hundred ProRes 4K and Bridge chokes.

I don't have any problem in that area. Of course, I do have a super powerful iMac Pro w/ 128K RAM, etc. I can't really say how it would perform on a less powerful machine.

I do know though, that LR has had lots of performance improvements in recent years. Version 1 would choke on 50,000 RAW images, forcing me to make multiple catalogs to keep things moving (that was on an iMac w/ 32G RAM). I forget just when but one of the releases a couple years ago was primarily aimed at improving performance. After that I was able to use a single catalog, and still have no problem now with almost 300K images and 1K or so video clips.

If you are using the last stand-alone LR, then yes, it had problems back then. If you have the subscription current version though, I would be surprised if it has problems for metadata storage. LR is not good at playing lots of video, but then video was stuck on as an afterthought by Adobe. I like that I can manage the metadata of all media types in a single app. (FWIW, I used Apple FCPX for video editing)

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #7 on:** January 21, 2019, 15:42 »

Quote from: mindstorm on January 21, 2019, 12:19

Quote from: PeterChigmaroff on January 21, 2019, 11:14
I used to always recommend Media Pro by Phase One, it was nearly perfect in every respect. Sadly they have discontinued the product.

And THAT is why I typically stick with the front-runner. Over the decades, I have tried way too many "gee this looks good, and the xxx feature that yyy is missing" products. In the huge majority of cases, the cool little tool became discontinued, leaving me with thousands (and sometimes hundreds of thousands) of files that no longer had support.

No more...

I use Adobe Lightroom. The clear frontrunner in the image cataloging field. It also has top notch image editing tools, and every one of my 277,924 images has been processed by it. They also have an excellent keyword / title / description / etc, etc, etc field support.

For video, they are not suitable for editing, but still have all the metadata support. I have roughly 3000 videos in the catalog. I do all the editing of metadata inside Lightroom, then can copy/paste to any website that needs it (since video does not support metadata).

FWIW, they existed a long time. My copy of iView Media Pro 2.6 is dated Feb 2005, which goes back further than the release date of Lightroom. Every edition has been rock solid. Microsoft owned it for 4 years and changed its name to Expression Media and then Phase One picked it up. It's hard to explain unless you've used it to generate metadata, it's orders of magnitude better than Lightroom. Or I guess I should say was orders of magnitude better than Lightroom.

mindstorm · « **Reply #8 on:** January 21, 2019, 17:04 »

Quote from: PeterChigmaroff on January 21, 2019, 15:42

FWIW, they existed a long time. My copy of iView Media Pro 2.6 is dated Feb 2005, which goes back further than the release date of Lightroom. Every edition has been rock solid. Microsoft owned it for 4 years and changed its name to Expression Media and then Phase One picked it up. It's hard to explain unless you've used it to generate metadata, it's orders of magnitude better than Lightroom. Or I guess I should say was orders of magnitude better than Lightroom.

Yes, i used them when it iView Media Pro. That was before Lightroom was published. I continued to use when MicroSloth had it as Expression Media.

About the time Phase One took over, Lightroom came out. I realized that iView/Expression/Whatever was an orphan looking for a home. I played with Apple Aperture and Lightroom both for a year. I decided that LR would be the winner, and switched entirely to it. Have seen no reason to look back. LR does everything I need, and if someone else comes out with some gee whiz feature, I know LR will have it soon enough if it is really worth having...

RAW · « **Reply #9 on:** January 21, 2019, 17:19 »

Hi mindstorm,
I have a similar machine. I'm trying to work with 30,000 4K ProRes video clips in multiple folders. Adobe Bridge and Lightroom are just too slow.

mindstorm · « **Reply #10 on:** January 21, 2019, 17:31 »

Quote from: RAW on January 21, 2019, 17:19

I have a similar machine. I'm trying to work with 30,000 4K ProRes video clips in multiple folders. Adobe Bridge and Lightroom are just too slow.

Well, i am less than 10% of your video collection, so can't really comment there. I do know my 300K photo collection plus roughly 2K video does not have any slowdown.

I also know that LR needed separate catalogs to keep things speedy for photos "way back when." They fixed that. Videos were always an after-thought though. It is entirely possible their video mechanism falls apart at very large catalog sizes.

RAW · « **Reply #11 on:** January 21, 2019, 18:18 »

For my sins I am on Windows 10.

ForrestBrown · « **Reply #12 on:** January 22, 2019, 15:14 »

I used Lightroom to manage 7000+ videos. You can't really edit or color correct the videos in Lightroom, but works great for organizing your ready to upload footage and adding all the meta data, you can then export CSV files that can be applied when you upload your footage.

I used Adobe Premier and After Effects to do my editing and color corrections.

mindstorm · « **Reply #13 on:** January 22, 2019, 22:04 »

Quote from: ForrestBrown on January 22, 2019, 15:14

Lightroom, but works great for organizing your ready to upload footage and adding all the meta data, you can then export CSV files that can be applied when you upload your footage.

That is how I do it too. I use JbListView to generate the csv files. The files still need a little massaging afterwards, but never more than 5 minutes worth per batch off 200.

ForrestBrown · « **Reply #14 on:** January 23, 2019, 10:51 »

I use LR/Transporter. Getting it setup the first time is a little tricky, but once you do, it only takes a few seconds to export a CSV file that's all ready to upload. For my normal batch (I usually upload 40 videos at a time), I export 5 different CSV files in less than 30 seconds.

Tyson Anderson · « **Reply #15 on:** January 23, 2019, 16:59 »

Adobe Bridge is solid! I just wish all agencies could read the embedded metadata... get with the times people!

MicroSto70 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 15, 2020, 16:25 »

Hi Everyone

I also used the Adobe Bridge but not to that extend.

So, I don’t know if this helps but found a listing regarding the Video CMS SWs. Maybe worth looking into?

Top 15 Enterprise Video Content Management Systems
1.   Agile Content. Agile Content provides users with the tools for both "just-in-time" content and continuous production. ...
2.   Brightcove. ...
3.   Genus Technologies. ...
4.   Haivision. ...
5.   IBM (Ustream) ...
6.   Kaltura. ...
7.   Kollective. ...
8.   KZO Innovations.

Regards

wds · « **Reply #17 on:** July 15, 2020, 21:05 »

Quote from: mindstorm on January 21, 2019, 12:19

Quote from: PeterChigmaroff on January 21, 2019, 11:14
I used to always recommend Media Pro by Phase One, it was nearly perfect in every respect. Sadly they have discontinued the product.

And THAT is why I typically stick with the front-runner. Over the decades, I have tried way too many "gee this looks good, and the xxx feature that yyy is missing" products. In the huge majority of cases, the cool little tool became discontinued, leaving me with thousands (and sometimes hundreds of thousands) of files that no longer had support.

No more...

I use Adobe Lightroom. The clear frontrunner in the image cataloging field. It also has top notch image editing tools, and every one of my 277,924 images has been processed by it. They also have an excellent keyword / title / description / etc, etc, etc field support.

For video, they are not suitable for editing, but still have all the metadata support. I have roughly 3000 videos in the catalog. I do all the editing of metadata inside Lightroom, then can copy/paste to any website that needs it (since video does not support metadata).

Actually video does support metadata (at least for .mov files, not sure about others) . If you use Bridge, it will put the metadata in the file, and interestingly enough, LR will read that metadata even though it can't write metatdata into video files.

everest · « **Reply #18 on:** July 16, 2020, 00:16 »

I would definitely try Kyno.
https://lesspain.software/kyno/

It is not a video Dam like lightroom but you can insert lots of metadata (title , description, keywords etc). Then you can export as Excel any metadata with the thumbnail included. But Kyno goes well beyond this. It is lightning fast to browse and organize videos and has a killing feature for me as a PC user. I edit and render in Davinci with Blackmagic Pocket 4k and Mavic 2 Pro as DnDxHR (as the PC version cannot render directly in Prores) I then convert in Kyno very fast to ProRes 422 or 422HQ (I think it is officially supported not like Handbrake).

Kyno has also lots of other features explained in their website. The only thing so far I don't like is if you transcode inside the program to any H264 quality as the results are not good. Prores is great but unless you use it for proxis don't convert to H264 there.

The keyword system even if working great can be developed further and I hope so it will in the future like being able to create hierarchies etc.

In any case they have a 30 day trial so you can test it. I am very happy I purchased the standard version as I don't need the collaborative tools.

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