Author Topic: SS - Important notice about contributor payouts (Read 53833 times)

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #250 on:** January 28, 2016, 14:33 »

Quote from: Teddy the Cat on January 28, 2016, 00:22

Quit the whining and navel gazing

LOL i like that...

i don't know all the answers, and from here so many pages, it's obvious neither do anyone .
or else we won't be going on and on and on ... whining and navel gazing... as teddy the cat
so well puts it.

only thing i know is... whoever is still making money with ss, and is seeing an uptick in earnings
...
why would they come in here to tell you their way???
obviously the ones who are not talking, are the ones not whining and the ones still making $$$$$$

Pauws99 · « **Reply #251 on:** January 28, 2016, 14:38 »

In the end the only stats that you can rely on are your own.........and the only thing you can change is your portfolio and where you choose to put it

Difydave · « **Reply #252 on:** January 28, 2016, 14:52 »

Quote from: farbled on January 28, 2016, 14:21

Quote from: Difydave on January 28, 2016, 14:13

FWIW, I'd say "protection" as applied to sunglasses is pretty marginal, they're more to do with fashion, and "looking cool" IMHO. You have to ask yourself why anyone searching for "Ultraviolet" would want to find sunglasses, they will want shots of UV light effects, or UV lighting equipment.

And that is why keys are subjective. I can think of many, many reasons for sunglasses to be protective and a good selling keyword. Health and safety, eye protection (outside) and the like are actually quite common in industrial settings and by extension, industrial customers. I once used to work building websites for mining companies and I have done searches for similar things when I used to buy image licenses.

They are indeed subjective. I'd say that tinted safety glasses, as would (or at least should) be used in industry for protection, are a different thing to "sunglasses" which I'd think of a fashion accessory, and wouldn't (or shouldn't) be relied on for protection.
If you have "sunglasses" in an image with ordinary sunglasses in it then that's enough IMO.

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #253 on:** January 28, 2016, 16:30 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on January 28, 2016, 14:38

In the end the only stats that you can rely on are your own.........and the only thing you can change is your portfolio and where you choose to put it

i agree with u.
i know it's temptation to opt out on EL or complain about the weed man and ukrainians spamming the ss
and pushing the good stuff out. but i don't know if opting out or boycotting by withdrawing portfolio going to stocksy, we know not everyone is welcomed there,.
or going to adobe , yay, alamy, etc that produce 0 sales ... is going to help you or me.
it is only cutting your own hand and letting the grass people flood the market even more.

also, last, i cannot see how this will make the clients pull out of ss. unless the clients are looking for grass and marijuana, and tomato and apples, and repitition icons,
the client is not going to know ss big addition each day contain garbage.

cutting out on ss is not the solution. writing an email may not also do anything.
you have to talk to the boss to make a dent in this,..
and afaik , no one knows how to talk directly to jon o.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #254 on:** January 28, 2016, 16:45 »

"only thing i know is... whoever is still making money with ss, and is seeing an uptick in earnings
...
why would they come in here to tell you their way???
obviously the ones who are not talking, are the ones not whining and the ones still making $$$$$$"

I was mainly talking about this I don't think anyone has some great secret about SEO or anything else you can look at your own stats and portfolio and see what sells and is profitable for you and do more of that. No one is forcing you to do this and if you think your pictures are worth more of course you should pull them and make the money elsewhere.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #255 on:** January 28, 2016, 18:22 »

Quote from: gbalex on January 28, 2016, 12:19

Quote from: Zero Talent on January 28, 2016, 12:07
Quote from: gbalex on January 28, 2016, 11:38
Quote from: Zero Talent on January 27, 2016, 22:49
You only confirm what normally happens when the search algorithms are changed.
And such changes can happen "OVERNIGHT" and not only "post IPO".

I find perfectly justifiable to constantly fine tune and improve the search algorithm in order to make easier for customers to find what they need. There are patents and PHD thesis dealing with such algorithms.
Do you expect a company like SS to stick forever to some 10 years old dusty algorithm only because it used to work in your favor?

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No I don't, however I DO expect and have earned a level playing field and that changed when they introduced the new search.

If you think that you are superior and smarter and that your port will never be downgraded so that shutterstock can earn more money serving content from new contributors you are in for a shock down the line.

No, I'm neither smarter nor superior. I'm continuously learning and experimenting.
When my revenue will decline, I will look in the mirror to try and understand what is wrong with my work. I'll do my best to fix the problems, instead of going paranoid blaming IPO conspiracies, etc.

A clear fact is that our competition is getting stronger every day, the abundance of pictures is driving costs down. So, I am aware that this business is in decline. But again, it has nothing to do with IPOs and other speculations.
My goal is to ride this wave as long as possible.

Btw, when is this "veteran penalty" expected to kick in? The day after you reach top tier, as I read some of your fellow conspirationists claim? The month after? The year after? 2 years after? Do I have to get myself ready to be shocked 3 years after? When?

Done squabbling with you, again fairly arrogant if you think we have not asked ourselves those questions, including doing what we can on our end to solve the problem.

I can remember talking in person to someone with a similar attitude, who thought it could never happen to him.

Until it did.

No problem. Anyway, we are not going anywhere with your "Believe me, I'm a doctor" attitude.

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Hongover · « **Reply #256 on:** January 28, 2016, 18:26 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on January 28, 2016, 16:45

"only thing i know is... whoever is still making money with ss, and is seeing an uptick in earnings
...
why would they come in here to tell you their way???
obviously the ones who are not talking, are the ones not whining and the ones still making $$$$$$"

I was mainly talking about this I don't think anyone has some great secret about SEO or anything else you can look at your own stats and portfolio and see what sells and is profitable for you and do more of that. No one is forcing you to do this and if you think your pictures are worth more of course you should pull them and make the money elsewhere.

There is no great secret. It's usually the small details that makes the big difference, isn't it? I'm not trying to sell anyone a service, so we can strike that out.

What I'm sharing is a belief and the fewer people subscribe to that belief, the better I'm off. And my belief is that if people take their time creating metadata, the better their images will perform in the long-term. I equate creating metadata to cooking. You can throw everything into a pot and pray something good will come out of it, or you can learn the nuances of it and make something good. A lot of people just throw everything into a pot and pray.

It's just like some pickup artist teaching guys to pick up women. All things being equal, the guy who believes in it and work the hardest will have the most success, while the guy who have doubts will not be good at it. Success is dependent on the whole package and in the case of Microstock — quality, artistic value, commercial value & metadata / keywording. If one of the ingredients is missing, then it won't reach its full potential.

PaulieWalnuts · « **Reply #257 on:** January 28, 2016, 19:10 »

Quote from: Minscer on January 28, 2016, 18:26

Quote from: Pauws99 on January 28, 2016, 16:45
"only thing i know is... whoever is still making money with ss, and is seeing an uptick in earnings
...
why would they come in here to tell you their way???
obviously the ones who are not talking, are the ones not whining and the ones still making $$$$$$"

I was mainly talking about this I don't think anyone has some great secret about SEO or anything else you can look at your own stats and portfolio and see what sells and is profitable for you and do more of that. No one is forcing you to do this and if you think your pictures are worth more of course you should pull them and make the money elsewhere.

There is no great secret. It's usually the small details that makes the big difference, isn't it? I'm not trying to sell anyone a service, so we can strike that out.

What I'm sharing is a belief and the fewer people subscribe to that belief, the better I'm off. And my belief is that if people take their time creating metadata, the better their images will perform in the long-term. I equate creating metadata to cooking. You can throw everything into a pot and pray something good will come out of it, or you can learn the nuances of it and make something good. A lot of people just throw everything into a pot and pray.

It's just like some pickup artist teaching guys to pick up women. All things being equal, the guy who believes in it and work the hardest will have the most success, while the guy who have doubts will not be good at it. Success is dependent on the whole package and in the case of Microstock — quality, artistic value, commercial value & metadata / keywording. If one of the ingredients is missing, then it won't reach its full potential.

Totally agree with the bold part with a slight tweak. Optimized metadata. I'm constantly working on evaluating and updating my website metadata. This month my personal website sales will exceed all of my stock and POD sites combined. It's not metadata alone that did this but it's a big part. Until search engines can accurately identify what's in an image, metadata is the the only way they see an image

60D · « **Reply #258 on:** January 29, 2016, 11:31 »

It was not long before SS changed their sub package structure to steal more money from the contributors, and now this...

gbalex · « **Reply #259 on:** January 29, 2016, 13:57 »

The russian microstock forum microstock.ru has begun keep track of the new EL downloads based on sales price point and country of sale origin.

You can see the translated discussion text, spreadsheets and graphs here.

http://tinyurl.com/hen75yz

Zero Talent · « **Reply #260 on:** January 29, 2016, 15:04 »

Quote from: gbalex on January 29, 2016, 13:57

The russian microstock forum microstock.ru has begun keep track of the new EL downloads based on sales price point and country of sale origin.

You can see the translated discussion text, spreadsheets and graphs here.

http://tinyurl.com/hen75yz

Interesting!

I wonder if we can use the poll system available on this site to do something similar.

I never created a poll here, so, will it work if we set one with the following options:
- voting intervals <=$15, $18, $22, $25 and >=$28 (since only 5 voting options are available)
- unlimited number of votes/user (eg.1000)
- allow voters to change their vote
- set the poll to run for, let's say, 1000 days

I mean, with the above settings, will voters be able to return to the poll and vote again, each time an EL is sold, without losing the previous vote?

?

kaboom · « **Reply #261 on:** January 29, 2016, 15:14 »

Quote from: gbalex on January 29, 2016, 13:57

The russian microstock forum microstock.ru has begun keep track of the new EL downloads based on sales price point and country of sale origin.

You can see the translated discussion text, spreadsheets and graphs here.

http://tinyurl.com/hen75yz

As per Shutterstock Paul Brennan:"To help simplify the earnings schedule, your enhanced license payout will now be determined by your earnings tier."

Yeah, these tables and graphs look really SIMPLIFIED compared to the original 28 dollars per EL

r2d2 · « **Reply #262 on:** January 29, 2016, 16:24 »

Quote from: kaboom on January 29, 2016, 15:14

Quote from: gbalex on January 29, 2016, 13:57
The russian microstock forum microstock.ru has begun keep track of the new EL downloads based on sales price point and country of sale origin.

You can see the translated discussion text, spreadsheets and graphs here.

http://tinyurl.com/hen75yz

As per Shutterstock Paul Brennan:"To help simplify the earnings schedule, your enhanced license payout will now be determined by your earnings tier."

Yeah, these tables and graphs look really SIMPLIFIED compared to the original 28 dollars per EL

Looks like Paul is thinking that contributors are stupid.

"We are partners..." bla bla...

gbalex · « **Reply #263 on:** January 29, 2016, 16:25 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on January 29, 2016, 15:04

Quote from: gbalex on January 29, 2016, 13:57
The russian microstock forum microstock.ru has begun keep track of the new EL downloads based on sales price point and country of sale origin.

You can see the translated discussion text, spreadsheets and graphs here.

http://tinyurl.com/hen75yz

Interesting!

I wonder if we can use the poll system available on this site to do something similar.

I never created a poll here, so, will it work if we set one with the following options:
- voting intervals <=$15, $18, $22, $25 and >=$28 (since only 5 voting options are available)
- unlimited number of votes/user (eg.1000)
- allow voters to change their vote
- set the poll to run for, let's say, 1000 days

I mean, with the above settings, will voters be able to return to the poll and vote again, each time an EL is sold, without losing the previous vote?

?

Yes we could do this, however the numbers seem to be a moving target.

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