Author Topic: Shutterstock rejecting clips and photos like crazy for no good reason recently. (Read 15425 times)

trabuco · « **Reply #25 on:** November 27, 2019, 02:56 »

Quote from: cascoly on November 26, 2019, 21:01

Quote from: trabuco on November 26, 2019, 17:14
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It's hurting my workflow because I use to submit several pictures together when I can use the same keywords (f.i. several views of a building in a small series, and then I finish with that building). ...

aren't you using metadata? then it wouldnt matter whether you submit one at a time or all in a batch

I mean that I use to select files by groups. Now I'm always thinking in the SS problem when I revise my pictures to collect my batches.

I use text files and copy-paste.

madman · « **Reply #26 on:** December 02, 2019, 09:03 »

congrats Shutterstock, it's nice to finally be able to realize something after so long time. but... what about duplicated pictures were accepted for 15 years?

mino216 · « **Reply #27 on:** December 02, 2019, 09:30 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on November 23, 2019, 03:10

Quote from: Visualab on November 22, 2019, 15:48
It's all about AI...i don't think any human being can be so inconsistent and stupid on curation...
I don't believe AI can be inconsistent. It is not one reviewer. Seems to me the quality control on reviewers is broken. If reviewers receive next to no training or supervision and are required to review at a ridiculous pace I wouldn't be surprised if some go bat dropping crazy.

Because you do not know how AI works. AI should be consistent in a real world but especially when it is still learning, it is not. If you have trained it on million images, it is still posiible that even one additional image incorporated to the learning can break what was already working (change the decision for images which have been on the borderline and they do not even have to have anything in common with the new one because of all the dependencies - one changed weight in the system will influence other...).

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #28 on:** December 02, 2019, 16:05 »

Quote from: mino216 on December 02, 2019, 09:30

Quote from: Pauws99 on November 23, 2019, 03:10
Quote from: Visualab on November 22, 2019, 15:48
It's all about AI...i don't think any human being can be so inconsistent and stupid on curation...
I don't believe AI can be inconsistent. It is not one reviewer. Seems to me the quality control on reviewers is broken. If reviewers receive next to no training or supervision and are required to review at a ridiculous pace I wouldn't be surprised if some go bat dropping crazy.

Because you do not know how AI works. AI should be consistent in a real world but especially when it is still learning, it is not. If you have trained it on million images, it is still posiible that even one additional image incorporated to the learning can break what was already working (change the decision for images which have been on the borderline and they do not even have to have anything in common with the new one because of all the dependencies - one changed weight in the system will influence other...).

Quite the opposite, AI relies on many results and the weight of those, plus the training, to make a decision, not one wrong results that changes the whole system. If one wrong entry changed everything, that would be a terribly flawed system.

In simpler terms, a machine “learns” by looking for patterns among massive data loads, and when it sees one, it adjusts the program to reflect the “truth” of what it found. The more data you expose the machine to, the “smarter” it gets. And when it sees enough patterns, it begins to make predictions.

The key is more data, not individual data.

I know how much everyone likes blaming AI or computers or some conspiracy, something outside of, as simple as, the reviewers make mistakes, or possibly the reviewers are doing what they are told to do. Yes, there's additional software to assist and analyze, but that's not AI. I know how many people say, "I'm right, the reviewer is an idiot" and get defensive. Of course, that stupid AI can't see how perfect our images.

And before someone says they have had SS rejected images, accepted at XYZ, I've had Alamy rejected and Adobe rejected images, accepted at SS. Even stranger was one rejected at Adobe that is my best selling on DT (which is hardly saying much), but still, even between different agencies we get different reviews.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2019, 11:12 »

Quote from: mino216 on December 02, 2019, 09:30

Quote from: Pauws99 on November 23, 2019, 03:10
Quote from: Visualab on November 22, 2019, 15:48
It's all about AI...i don't think any human being can be so inconsistent and stupid on curation...
I don't believe AI can be inconsistent. It is not one reviewer. Seems to me the quality control on reviewers is broken. If reviewers receive next to no training or supervision and are required to review at a ridiculous pace I wouldn't be surprised if some go bat dropping crazy.

Because you do not know how AI works. AI should be consistent in a real world but especially when it is still learning, it is not. If you have trained it on million images, it is still posiible that even one additional image incorporated to the learning can break what was already working (change the decision for images which have been on the borderline and they do not even have to have anything in common with the new one because of all the dependencies - one changed weight in the system will influence other...).

Possible yes likely not so much and it should be getting better on average not worse. The simpler explanation remains human failings.

Harlem · « **Reply #30 on:** December 06, 2019, 11:04 »

Quote from: helloitsme on November 22, 2019, 09:28

They label almost everything "similar content". They reject their own model release form as "invalid". what is going on there?

They are stupid AF.

Can you upload the MR that was "invalid" so we can see?

Pauws99 · « **Reply #31 on:** December 07, 2019, 08:48 »

Quote from: Harlem on December 06, 2019, 11:04

Quote from: helloitsme on November 22, 2019, 09:28
They label almost everything "similar content". They reject their own model release form as "invalid". what is going on there?

They are stupid AF.

Can you upload the MR that was "invalid" so we can see?

A model release is confidential and it would break all kinds of data protection rules to post someone's personal details here.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #32 on:** December 07, 2019, 13:57 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on December 07, 2019, 08:48

Quote from: Harlem on December 06, 2019, 11:04
Quote from: helloitsme on November 22, 2019, 09:28
They label almost everything "similar content". They reject their own model release form as "invalid". what is going on there?

They are stupid AF.

Can you upload the MR that was "invalid" so we can see?
A model release is confidential and it would break all kinds of data protection rules to post someone's personal details here.

Anyone who can edit a photo can redact the privacy parts!

Just like "my photo was rejected for focus and it's tack sharp" once we see them, sometimes the OP didn't look at 100% or if it was lighting or artifacts, missed the actual problem.

Without looking at a release, minus personal information, no one here can be psychic and guess why it was rejected. Remember, when someone finally discovered that full names, no initials were making releases invalid? Or not matching dates, maybe a missing date. There are all kinds of reasons (Not that I think they need to have all that nit picking detail for everything) that can cause a release to be invalid.

They aren't refusing their own release, they are refusing what's on that release. Lets be clear on that?

Oh it's the weekend, hold onto my ass. I uploaded 21 new at Noon Friday, one was rejected for no reference image, it's not anything that needs a reference image. Illustrative Editorial. Now nothing reviewed overnight, and for 24 hours. I may be wrong or being superstitious, but weekend reviews are worse than weekday reviews. Speed and reviewer understanding. What makes me think the US team is offline from about Friday Noon until Monday Noon?

Yeah my own imaginary conspiracy that's been around for years, but I never wanted to admit that.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #33 on:** December 07, 2019, 16:12 »

The problem is its quite possibly the private parts of the release that are the source of the problem.....

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #34 on:** December 07, 2019, 22:48 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on December 07, 2019, 16:12

The problem is its quite possibly the private parts of the release that are the source of the problem.....

That too, in which case, we'd never know. But starting at the beginning, we can't know anything if we can't see the release? There are far too many basic issues that could cause the rejection.

cascoly · « **Reply #35 on:** December 08, 2019, 07:59 »

Quote from: trabuco on November 27, 2019, 02:56

Quote from: cascoly on November 26, 2019, 21:01
Quote from: trabuco on November 26, 2019, 17:14
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It's hurting my workflow because I use to submit several pictures together when I can use the same keywords (f.i. several views of a building in a small series, and then I finish with that building). ...

aren't you using metadata? then it wouldnt matter whether you submit one at a time or all in a batch

I mean that I use to select files by groups. Now I'm always thinking in the SS problem when I revise my pictures to collect my batches.

I use text files and copy-paste.

why are you making extra work for yourself, when you can add metadata once and submit as many times/agencies as you want?

trabuco · « **Reply #36 on:** December 08, 2019, 08:21 »

It's not extra work for me. I like to see each file one by one and keep them in order.

Plus I don't use PC or Mac.

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