Yeah, Adobe Stock is so hot right now. Customers who are buying subs are definitely choosing AS over SS.

The greediness of their management has no limit. So here are the consequences...and when the numbers talk all the rest does not matter.

If you different portfolios how you can even compare them, I have exactly the same portfolios on AS and SS, for me SS is 3x the number of downloads of AS.

SS 99% are only 0.10 USD per download, for me.
For me SS would need to sell 100 times more then AS.
But AS sells 100 times more then SS.
My case.. AS wins clearly.

Video on SS is in the same boat.

Crazy how fast things can turn.

Wow, that's sad.  At SS's peak years like 5-6 years ago, SS video sales were sometimes on par with Pond5 video sales.  Video sub drastically and quickly decreased SS video sales revenue.  So, I stopped selling videos on SS.  I see many contributors doing the same.

Quote from: blvdone on January 17, 2024, 08:29

Quote from: DaLiu on January 17, 2024, 07:11

If you different portfolios how you can even compare them, I have exactly the same portfolios on AS and SS, for me SS is 3x the number of downloads of AS.

Do you make 3x on SS as well?

Usually more than double.

Good for you!!

Quote from: bennu99 on January 17, 2024, 07:10

The greediness of their management has no limit. So here are the consequences...and when the numbers talk all the rest does not matter.

Yeah, you can only screw people over so long before it catches up with you. By people I mean contributors - who they actually need to look after otherwise we go somewhere better, like Adobe stock. I have zero loyalty now towards S/S. Karma is a biatch.

It's business and loyalty doesn't come into it. I don't expect SS (or Adobe for that matter) to be loyal to me and I'm certainly not loyal to them. I will continue to contribute to SS just so long as it's is in my interests. If the terms or circumstances change so that it is no longer in my interests then I will walk away.

Quote from: blvdone on January 17, 2024, 08:29

Quote from: DaLiu on January 17, 2024, 07:11

If you different portfolios how you can even compare them, I have exactly the same portfolios on AS and SS, for me SS is 3x the number of downloads of AS.

Do you make 3x on SS as well?

Usually more than double.

Not to disagree or be argumentative, but that also depends on what images and what kind of subjects. It's possible that your talents are more in line with what SS buyers want. Nice going.

I have 5,450 images on SS now and 984 on Adobe. I make easily 3X on AS what I do on SS. But, unlike you and many others, the images are different. Adobe doesn't take what SS does and for the most part, SS doesn't take what Adobe does. I'd be unfair to expect that someone else would have identical results as mine.

The only thing I can say, aside from bottom line, how much did I make last year, would be RPD. If that was identical, I'd be happy, but nowhere close. SS is less sales and for less commission. 3X the money for 1/5th the images, and I only joined Adobe after they bought FT. I'm impressed. 

You are doing very well, congratulations.

I disagree that business does not reward loyalty.

The whole point why companies make such a great effort to have a fantastic reputation and great relationships with both producers and customers is to keep their business at the absolute top in the industry.

Can you imagine Adobe having the same bad reputation as SS?? Never ever!

Can you image Adobe closing the producer forums and refusing to interact with their customers directly?

Because the producer community directs the customers. Many graphic designers recommend an agency to clients. If a company treats you badly, refuses to talk to you...why would anyone recommend them??

Companies invest crazy money into their branding and having a reliable reputation and a great way to communicate is worth equally as much as the products or services you are trying to sell.

Even more important if your business is about selling subscriptions. You want people to keep renewing forever.

SS  is a media company, their products are used for communication.

How can a communication company not know how to communicate and interact??

The upload flows by producers go to the companies that give them a reliable income, ideally an increasing income.

SS still has fantastic video, but if you look how the sales of video are dropping, especially for the fantastic exclusive content on pond5...what are they doing with these jewels they have?

I disagree that business does not reward loyalty.

The whole point why companies make such a great effort to have a fantastic reputation and great relationships with both producers and customers is to keep their business at the absolute top in the industry.

Can you imagine Adobe having the same bad reputation as SS?? Never ever!

Can you image Adobe closing the producer forums and refusing to interact with their customers directly?

Because the producer community directs the customers. Many graphic designers recommend an agency to clients. If a company treats you badly, refuses to talk to you...why would anyone recommend them??

Companies invest crazy money into their branding and having a reliable reputation and a great way to communicate is worth equally as much as the products or services you are trying to sell.

Even more important if your business is about selling subscriptions. You want people to keep renewing forever.

SS  is a media company, their products are used for communication.

How can a communication company not know how to communicate and interact??

The upload flows by producers go to the companies that give them a reliable income, ideally an increasing income.

SS still has fantastic video, but if you look how the sales of video are dropping, especially for the fantastic exclusive content on pond5...what are they doing with these jewels they have?

Well said 

Well for the first time since 2011 looks like I'll not reach the minimum $35 payout for January.  Even subscription sales have died to zero for days just the occasional "single and other" sale.

In Jan 2018 I made over $318 and in 2019 $212 this Jan maybe $20.

Glad I don't rely on them anymore 

There is still time until the end of the month; there is a high probability that you will have sales. 

SS is well aware of these pitiful results, as they lowered their payment threshold to $25. Enough said!

You almost have to wonder if they seriously cut back on their stock marketing ads and such.