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« on: February 20, 2021, 08:09 »
How can it be any future in something so completely and utterly destroyed in the name of GREED! the whole concept is finished!
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« on: February 18, 2021, 04:16 »
Good grief! just tell him to bugger off!
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« on: February 17, 2021, 03:13 »
Many years back there was a big argument between Scott and Rinder it all ended up with Scott leaving and got about 50 peple banned in the process of leaving! and I'm talking some very big names getting banned! being banned from SS is nothing new!
50 people banned from the forum for an incident? That's amazing. Must have been some real blow up? Banned for what reason? Fifty People! Scott?
You were around then?? no? it started with a row between Laurin and Scott and tons of members took Laurins side, cut a long story short it all got totally out of hand with lots of swearing this and that. Scott got the boot I think but just before leaving he banned lots of people that was cheering on Laurin!...surprised you dont remember??
I was around (from 2012) but I don't remember such a mass punishment ever. Sure not 5 years ago because at this time more people would like to see Laurin gone than cheering on his stay.
As Diane said Scott was in the Admin and got the boot, it wasnt officially known but actually it was more the 50 as some sort of revenge thing! many also had their ports removed!
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« on: February 16, 2021, 14:18 »
Many years back there was a big argument between Scott and Rinder it all ended up with Scott leaving and got about 50 peple banned in the process of leaving! and I'm talking some very big names getting banned! being banned from SS is nothing new!
50 people banned from the forum for an incident? That's amazing. Must have been some real blow up? Banned for what reason? Fifty People! Scott?
You were around then?? no? it started with a row between Laurin and Scott and tons of members took Laurins side, cut a long story short it all got totally out of hand with lots of swearing this and that. Scott got the boot I think but just before leaving he banned lots of people that was cheering on Laurin!...surprised you dont remember??
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« on: February 15, 2021, 15:57 »
Many years back there was a big argument between Scott and Rinder it all ended up with Scott leaving and got about 50 peple banned in the process of leaving! and I'm talking some very big names getting banned! being banned from SS is nothing new!
I remember talk about such an incident (though it wasn't many years ago, so maybe I am confusing it with a different incident?), but I thought the people were just banned from the forum, not actually banned as Shutterstock contributor?
Oh yes! thrown out as well and ports deleted! was about 5 years back or something like that! if you critizise too much you get banned as a contributor. I was one of them! Correction: banned from the forum but NOT as a contributor! however many was!
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« on: February 15, 2021, 12:26 »
Many years back there was a big argument between Scott and Rinder it all ended up with Scott leaving and got about 50 peple banned in the process of leaving! and I'm talking some very big names getting banned! being banned from SS is nothing new!
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« on: February 12, 2021, 04:13 »
flywing!! its because of that and thousands of noobs and star-strucks joining every week that SS feel they can afford to treat existing members like crap!..they know they can replace a member in seconds never mind the quality of images!
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« on: February 10, 2021, 04:58 »
Is there any way how to know if part of buyers migrated from SS to Adobe or other websites? Maybe someone can see it in his stats (with portfolio big enough to get stable and not so random results).
Unfortunately my own stats are not clear, because I don't upload new images on SS since Juny. I'm down 50% on SS in earnings and 20% down in downloads. Other websites do better now for me (Adobe is 50% up), but I uploaded a lot of new images there (but not so many to get 50% up) so I can't say clearly if they do better because of my new images or because they keep bigger part of the market.
I think it still depends a lot on luck and randomness and on an individual port and the content. My February earnings on SS are for example 400% of my Adobe earnings right now. Adobe has been doing really great for me sometime around June last year where it was doing better than Shutterstock. Then my earnings declined and have pretty much been stagnant there for months now even though I constantly add new content. I think actually Adobe is the only one of the agencies I submit to, where adding new content does not have any positive effect on my sales.
I think more than any other agency they seem to have a problem in promoting new content over best-selling established content. I had such great results with my new Halloween and Christmas dog photos on all agencies (Hundreds of sales on some individual images, adds to various agencies' curated collections), expect Adobe, where they basically didn't sell at all - instead the same old images of much poorer quality from 2 years ago would still sell. As long as that's not changing, I don't think my future with Adobe is looking too bright.
The quality was far, far better years back simply because pro photographers submitted portfolios! they have now left SS in droves. Nowadays they accept and promote any old crap! working on the concept of quantity rather then quality and of course silly buyers that dont know the difference!
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« on: February 08, 2021, 17:03 »
yes just guess to where this is leading!
time to move on!!
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« on: February 08, 2021, 11:02 »
To answer Justanotherphotographer^...its amazing really there was a time from around year 2000 to 2010 when you could earn that sort of amount from stock-photography alone.
The Image-Bank, Stones and the early years of Getty together with the early years of SS, Istock and Fotolia. Providing a good commercial portfolio you could earn a small fortune!
Now we are all penny pinching!
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« on: February 06, 2021, 12:39 »
Please look at the dates on threads - you keep replying to dead threads
Every new user is featured all the old threads. So to someone new, these will be the top of the list for discussions. The forum design is part of the problem.
Maybe there should be a warning for new users. Oh wait, there is! When you post to something that's over 120 days a RED warning message comes up.
Warning: this topic has not been posted in for at least 120 days.
Unless you're sure you want to reply, please consider starting a new topic.
OK just pointing out how this happens. Yes, new users should be aware they are replying to old dead threads.
Spoilsport! 
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« on: February 06, 2021, 02:57 »
Dead threads or not its more then ever a topic today!....Stockmarketers post is one of the best and most true I have ever read in this or any other forums!...The industry has had its 10 years plus and is slowly dying as far as the "good" money is concerned! and its exactly the same in the original traditional agencies also struggling to make ends meet!
Its just a matter of either being happy with cents and dimes or just quitting micro-stock and not encouringing other people to join an already sinking ship. The downfall started long ago it really started with Istock years back messing around to the point where people was leaving then SS went public answering to shareholders who wanted their monies worth and that was a ginat nail in the coffin! even the old Fotolia was far better then the present Adobe!
As long as noobs and little smatphones happy go lucky rich over night star-spangled people are joining in droves the death of the industry is imminent!
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« on: February 05, 2021, 10:56 »
Dean! for many uploading is a hobby some extra cash but for many serious members full-timers it used to be part of a living! yes earnings used to increase for hard work but not nowadays. Many complain they spend hours shooting and hours in front of the computer with no reward at all in fact some complain they even earn less.
Quality is gone and its all a matter of quantity!
The gravy-train is over and the ship is long gone!
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« on: February 04, 2021, 15:58 »
Opt-out! I did and even removed thousands of clips! SS and video is a totally pointless excercise!
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« on: February 04, 2021, 07:21 »
The reality is ShutterStock is run as a facist organisation, it doesnt remotely come anywhere near capitalism.
Those who continue to upload are just being exploited by a bunch of Nazis.
Shutterstock is a product of unfettered free market capitalism. It has nothing whatever to do with Fascism as far as I can see. To draw parallels with concentration camps is a bit ridiculous really.
I am drawing a parallel with how Jon Oringer and Stan Pavlovsky think, there thinking is straight out of the Facist playbook.
For example?
I am not saying that Oringer and Pavlovsky are doing this because they are Jewish, (who cares what they are) I am simply saying they are Fascist, sure they run Shutterstock like many large companies (who are also run by Fascists).
The whole fee structure is 'Work will set you Free', which is a Facist motto.
The fee structure is based on the capitalist system of supply and demand. Nothing to do with fascism. You don't work for Shutterstock and no one is forcing you to contribute. One of the primary definitions of Fascism is nationalism which they are the complete opposite of. They are simply exploitative bosses.
You are stating the obvious but in business there is a certain amount of " com il faut " among companies their employees and of course in our case contributors and this and business ethics seems to be non existent in terms of SS. No we are not working for them but we are supplying them with our pictures and of course also our TRUST!!: violated!
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« on: February 03, 2021, 17:56 »
Yep! and this is very strange considering both Oringer and Pavlovsky are of Jewish origin/religion!
What a shallow shallow human being you are.
You are reading me wrong! I was being sarcastic to the poster that originally said this! I was being fecicious you see!
Sorry if I read into your sarcasm wrongly, that said just so you know it does come across as shallow. Sadly at times texting or messaging is the ultimate way to miscommunicate. My sarcasm gets me into trouble all the time  Carry on.... [/quote] Thats Ok no hard feelings! I did actually word it badly!
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« on: February 03, 2021, 12:07 »
Yep! and this is very strange considering both Oringer and Pavlovsky are of Jewish origin/religion!
What a shallow shallow human being you are. [/quote] You are reading me wrong! I was being sarcastic to the poster that originally said this! I was being fecicious you see!
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« on: February 03, 2021, 09:29 »
The reality is ShutterStock is run as a facist organisation, it doesnt remotely come anywhere near capitalism.
Those who continue to upload are just being exploited by a bunch of Nazis.
Shutterstock is a product of unfettered free market capitalism. It has nothing whatever to do with Fascism as far as I can see. To draw parallels with concentration camps is a bit ridiculous really.
I am drawing a parallel with how Jon Oringer and Stan Pavlovsky think, there thinking is straight out of the Facist playbook.
Yep! and this is very strange considering both Oringer and Pavlovsky are of Jewish origin/religion!
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« on: February 03, 2021, 09:23 »
this is how shitterstock looks in my rear view mirror ꓘƆOTƧЯƎTTIHƧ
I appreciate a good effort like that.
Contributors are not a market they are suppliers. Do you have any evidence that the search engine is geared that way or any reason why it is of any commercial advantage to SS that contributors come from certain countries?
No one does, just like most of the other invented claims. But then people repeat the lies enough times and someone else will believe it's actually truth.
Called Factoids. But also known as The Big Lie.
Oddly enough: The expression was coined by Adolf Hitler, when he dictated his 1925 book Mein Kampf, to describe the use of a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".
So tales of how Shutterstock favors someone else or does horrible things to give others some advantage or cheat us, is an example. Salary caps, account blackouts, favoring some country, favoring some contributor, making special deals in secret, or why our sales are down because someone else is getting special favors.
The truth is, they don't need to cheat and block, or play favorites, because they make so much from any sales, (AKA pay us all so little) it doesn't matter to them.
You are quite right Pete! its all lies nothing but lies and people can not use their own intelligence! the fact that soome US members with over 50000 files are down 70% is all lies no truth at all since they are lying! SS is all above board fair and square and do their utmost to bring peace and happiness among all their contributors. The fact that SS themselves 4 years back came clean with saying they are going to make it "fair" trying to give everybody a slice of the cake!: is all lies of course! Well Pete its like believeing in Santa isnt it! never the less: Never have so many millions had so few (SS) to thank for so much! at least thats true.....isnt it?
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« on: February 02, 2021, 10:04 »
They dont need/want quality - there's Custom and Offset for that.
Yes ... but sales on Offset, Getty, Adobe Premium ... are good or not ?
No not good! stock is not good anywhere! just some are less worse then others!
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« on: February 01, 2021, 17:35 »
Yes of course they remain the same!^^ but all revenues are geared towards the eastern blocks, Thailand etc, etc. the actual search algorithm is aimed towards that. SS have been nursing these markets for many years now!
India and Pakistan seems to be their main target for contributors (image farms etc).
Youre dead right! any country where 5 bucks a day goes a long way! thats their nursing targets!
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« on: February 01, 2021, 04:45 »
Yes of course they remain the same!^^ but all revenues are geared towards the eastern blocks, Thailand etc, etc. the actual search algorithm is aimed towards that. SS have been nursing these markets for many years now!
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« on: January 31, 2021, 12:44 »
Worst month since August of 2009 - my seventh month in microstock. It was down 86% from my average of last year and 92% down from the average monthly earnings of my best year in 2017. Fortunately I don't need the money, but wow what a precipitous drop!
My final submissions to them were during April of last year - wasn't really worth the effort even before the commission cut and definitely not now. Looks like this month they will finish in fourth place, and might drop to fifth depending on iS. They were just a few cents ahead of DT and could drop behind them with one more DL. Will be interesting to see how far they drop after the next poll - soon fading to irrelevance, unfortunately.
Same here but I only do assignment photography nowadays I cant be bothered with stock anymore it always turn sour anyway. I deleted 4000 files after the SS horrible behaviour I have about 2000 files left and the income is sinking rapidly to the point where I am soon thinking of deleting all the rest of my files. Well next week will tell for sure! Its almost as if they know who we are behind our pseudos??
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« on: January 30, 2021, 04:06 »
Shutterstock last year pulled the carpet from underneath you and then told you they will do it again every year on January 1st.
And you now act surprised that your income stream is down??? what did you think was going to happen, your income would triple???
I don't think anybody is surprised -or acting surprised. But the amount of the downturn is significantly worse than expected.
I don't think anybody really spends 'all day' whinging on the forums.
If you don't want to read these threads, then please don't read them.
If people who are dismayed with it all want to come here and vent then what is your problem?
In any case there is no need to be rude and tell us to 'shut up'.
Insults and bullying and the desire to 'cancel' differing opinions is getting everywhere even in small forums like this. Almost as depressing as the SS results for Jan.
Cancel? Bullying? Oh c'mon get real.
This constant harping about shitterstock is just self-flagellation and there are plenty of threads and discussions out there both here and on shittystock.
You want to do something positive then either delete your portfolios or if you can then at least stop uploading.
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Thats right! go on! you tell them!
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« on: January 29, 2021, 13:24 »
For me, it looks like downloads will be flat, and revenue will be down 20%. 
Never mind the Quasi-philosophers will tell us not to moan and just shut-up grin and bear it! 
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