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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploads disabled?
« on: November 09, 2010, 19:37 »
On topic: Uploads are now working again.

Off topic: How often does Amazon slow down to a crawl or go down? I've never managed to 'catch' them. Or Ebay?

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General Stock Discussion / Re: In defense of the corporate pigs
« on: November 09, 2010, 19:11 »
iStock is one place that trapped many contributors with their promises of bigger commissions for those who went exclusive with a deadline of August 31st just one month before their big announcement.

It was even worse than that. The bombshell was dropped on September 8th.
http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=251812&page=1

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploads disabled?
« on: November 09, 2010, 19:04 »
Maybe the top IT people from istock are still the same people who started with the company in its infancy and isnt qualified to oversee an operation the size of istock.
Maybe, but CPD is the Name of the Game these days. Also companies are supposed to be Investors in People.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploads disabled?
« on: November 09, 2010, 18:06 »
Oh, and as usual, because the upgrade didn't go as smoothly as we'd hoped, they're offering a 10% discount to customers. So the contributors get hit again for a problem we didn't cause. Do they cut the techie staff pay? (Maybe they do - I have no way of knowing.)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Upset model
« on: November 09, 2010, 12:20 »
Of course it's a defamation of his character, going bald might be a fact of life but if he isn't going bald and this image portrays that he is then it's defamation.
Defamation refers to character. This ad is misrepresentation (of truth).

Having worked in law I can tell you 100% that from what the OP has stated it would fall under defamation of character because by legal definition it is, and I can also tell you that if this guy decides to persue the matter he will win, and also that he will sue the photographer because he signed a contract with the photographer (the release) and therefore the legal process begins here, now the photographer will have a legal defence because presumably he has a clause in the release that he uploaded to the agency that excludes any defamatory use of the person in the image, so therefore the process moves onto the agency and then down the line until it reaches the stage whereby somebody is identified as having breached the defamatory clause.

Having worked in law, you should know that laws are different in every country, and having different legislations involved in a case complicates things totally.
At the moment, we've got the OP, who is based in Singapore; a model based ???; an agency based ??? (we don't even know which agency or which model release or Content Use Agreement we're talking about) and an ad for a company based ??? published ???
So you are 100% convinced of what you say based on the above total lack of knowledge?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Istock offline?
« on: November 09, 2010, 12:06 »
Probably implementing the new F6...
Or a new evil package for contributors.
The Tweet said, "Site may be down for a minute or two while our fix gets pushed to the servers."

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploads disabled?
« on: November 09, 2010, 12:04 »
Back up now.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploads disabled?
« on: November 09, 2010, 11:54 »
Whole site is down right now. HOPEFULLY very briefly.
Ah, the twitter link says:
"Site may be down for a minute or two while our fix gets pushed to the servers."
I'm such an oldie. I can't understand why they can't make a temporary 404 page to say that and not have to click on the 404 page to get onto twitter for find out the same info. I remember when 'reducing the number of clicks' a visitor has to make was paramount. (but in fact, the first two 404s I got just said: "The requested URL /forums.php was not found on this server.", with no Twitter link).
Ah yes, you only get the page with the twitter link if you go to the index page. Any other page you just get 'cannot find a server'.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Uploads disabled?
« on: November 09, 2010, 11:44 »
Whole site is down right now. HOPEFULLY very briefly.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Upset model
« on: November 09, 2010, 07:39 »
Of course it's a defamation of his character, going bald might be a fact of life but if he isn't going bald and this image portrays that he is then it's defamation.
Defamation refers to character. This ad is misrepresentation (of truth).

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Upset model
« on: November 09, 2010, 07:38 »
But I don't see how you, the photographer, could be liable for anything to do with this case.
That's for sure.
Unless somehow you didn't let the model read the MR before they signed it. But even then, they'd have to prove it, and they'd surely be cross-examined as to why they'd signed something without reading it.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Upset model
« on: November 09, 2010, 06:47 »
Can anyone remember the URI for the thread (on iStock) with the issue of the photo of a nice old man sitting outside his garden shed. He was cloned out of that pic and put into one from some sort of party, where he seemed to be leering while looking up girls skirts (whirling out while they were dancing around him) and there was a tray with (?condoms or dildos?) being passed around.
Anyway, although I and a few others were shocked at that use, and would have been mortified if it had been my Dad (or indeed any model I might have used [so I don't]), that use was considered to be OK. Other contributors were quite nasty and asked if the old man was some sort of prude.
There was another photo of a young woman eating in a classy restaurant with a (mostly unseen) bloke, which appeared to illustrate an article about escort agencies. Although the piece didn't exactly say, "the photo features an escort", it also didn't say 'posed by model'. That model was also very upset as the article appeared in a paper/mag in her own town where she worked as an educator. That was also deemed an OK use, though to me, the Content Agreement clearly says that this use would require an explanation something like 'posed by model'.
It seems like that word 'reasonably', as mentioned above, is used as a let out by iStock to avoid having to hassle their buyers.
However, whichever agency it was bought from, it will be very interesting to hear the feedback you get.
Please post back your reply and any action.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Upset model
« on: November 09, 2010, 06:06 »
One of my stock models is extremely upset, threatening legal action as he has found his photo used by a 'hair replacement' clinic and his photo has been doctored to show a receding hairline and patches of baldness. His friends have seen it and are rather amused - he on the other hand is seriously annoyed and is threatening to sue us.

Does this break a site's T&C, to use a photo in this way and to doctor the image. I am not sure which site downloaded it but I need to get some advice from you guys before I go after the hairloss company.

Thanks in advance

Phil

If bought from ISTOCK, it's perfectly within the acceptable uses.
The MR states clearly, "... I agree that the Content may be combined
with other images, text, graphics, film, audio, audio-visual works; and
may be cropped, altered or modified..."


FOTOLIA:
The Model hereby releases and indemnifies the Photographer, and the Photographers agents and
representatives, licensees and sublicensees, assigns, heirs and successors, from and against all claims
, expenses
(including attorney fees) or other liability arising from and against any and all uses of the Photographs, including,
without limitation, any claims or actions based on libel or slander or other defamation, right of privacy or false
light, right of publicity, or blurring or distortion or alteration
whether or not intentional.
The Model and Photographer each hereby warrant that he or she has read this Agreement prior to execution, and is fully familiar with the contents of this Agreement.

SHUTTERSTOCK model release:
The Photographers rights include, but are not limited to, the rights,
in perpetuity, to:
Use, re-use, publish, and re-publish the Content; Alter, modify or otherwise
change the Content in any manner the Photographer desires; Combine the
Content with textual matter and/or with other pictures and/or media; and,
Use the Content for illustration, promotion, art, editorial, advertising, trade,
publishing, or any other purpose whatsoever.
I hereby release, discharge, and agree to hold harmless the Photographer,
the Photographers heirs, legal representatives and assigns, and all persons
acting under the Photographers authority or those for whom he/she is
acting, from any liability by virtue of any use of the Content or any changes
or alterations made thereto.
(Interesting that that seems to cover the photographer's rights, but not the buyer's rights. I assume the latter are covered in the acceptable use policy. You'll need to check that for yourself.

Indeed, there are clauses on each of these MRs which vaguely imply that the images should not be used to expose the model to "scandal, ridicule, reproach, scorn and indignity" (that from Dreamstime's MR) but these are deliberately left extremely vague and have virtually no legal standing.
Far worse uses (IMO) brought to light on the iStock forums have been deemed 'fair use'.
iStock's Content License agreement state:
"use or display any Content that features a model or person in a manner (a) that would lead a reasonable person to think that such person uses or personally endorses any business, product, service, cause, association or other endeavour; (IMO, this happens constantly) or (b) except where accompanied by a statement that indicates that the Content is being used for illustrative purposes only and any person depicted in the Content is a model, that depicts such person in a potentially sensitive subject matter, including, but not limited to mental and physical health issues, social issues, sexual or implied sexual activity or preferences, substance abuse, crime, physical or mental abuse or ailments, or any other subject matter that would be reasonably likely to be offensive or unflattering to any person reflected in the Content, unless the Content itself clearly and undisputedly reflects the model or person in such potentially sensitive subject matter in which case the Content may be used or displayed in a manner that portrays the model or person in the same context and to the same degree depicted in the Content itself; "

The 'get out' word is 'reasonably'. Is there a legal definition for 'reasonably'?


HOWEVER:
Depending on the country of use, that use may be against the advertising standards or laws. For instance, in the UK, that faking of an advert would not be allowed (adverts here must be legal, decent, honest and truthful, but don't ask me the difference between honest and truthful - for example Olay was outed last year for 'airbrushing' an image of Twiggy http://tinyurl.com/y8u7g9b in one of their ads), but I've learned since being on Micro that many (most? all?) other countries aren't so strict.
I doubt if pursuing this line would financially benefit your model, though it might cause the adverts to be withdrawn.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: In defense of the corporate pigs
« on: November 09, 2010, 05:05 »
This forum, once a place for optimism and learning from each other, has degenerated into a place for demanding unionization, government regulation, and a general tearing down of the very people who created microstock.


Nope, generally the lament is how far the vision has moved from that of the 'very people who created microstock'.

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And another in the past ten minutes.

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I've definitely had one in that time frame, possibly two.

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Alamy.com / Re: Sales at Alamy #2 Update from 2008 Thread
« on: November 08, 2010, 12:42 »
Since they did away with the upsizing policy and accept microstock as RF maybe next they will reduce the payout to $100 rather than $200..... ;D
Isn't it $250?

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Lost in IS
« on: November 08, 2010, 12:33 »
My view / download ratio must be well into the several hundred to one.

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That's a shame. Maybe we should get another appropriate image up there. I'm thinking this one sums up IStock at the moment:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-illustration-2386660-where-are-my-keys.php

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OMG This is the saddest rating ever! It was done by an Istock admin DoctorEvidence, who gave it a 1/5 cameras.  http://www.istockphoto.com/user_view.php?id=862744
So some admin is pissed off about this image being so popular, so he gives it a bogus rating while hiding behind a screen name.  How old are we now?  
Usually Lobo eliminates such BS ratings and blocks the offending member's ability to so in the future.

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The 1/5 rating seems to be gone now; at least I can't see it.



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Shockingly its still there.  You have to click "view 20 more" about 6 or 7 times and it will then appear.  I feel so let down that Istock has not addressed this travesty of ratings :-)


You can have a rating removed from one of your own files by contacting CR.
I found a 1/5 rating on one of my best sellers, apparently by a buyer who said it wasn't a high enough resolution for his needs. I found that bizarre, as the filesize is clearly shown when buying (it's an old slide scan). I never bothered to ask for it to be removed: it was many months afterwards that I discovered it, and it hasn't stopped sales.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock ELs not paying properly?
« on: November 07, 2010, 09:36 »

To which Lobo added:
"This is the final word on this issue. Thanks for your patience, everyone. Go Giants." and locked the thread.

I haven't a clue what the Giant reference was about. Must be an injoke with Joyze or something.

He's probably referring to the New York Giants NFL team or the San Fransisco Giants the baseball team that just won the World Series.
And that was relevant to our concerns about ELs because ... ?
Doesn't seem like a very respectful comment while locking a thread. :-(

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Oh sorry!  I didnt realize it was that way?  when I closed-up at StockXpert, I decided not to go with TS,  I thought that was a general option, either join or get out?

Except for those of us who actually wanted to be included, it sounds like you are one of the lucky ones who snuck out before they locked the doors, and started holding photos prisoner. :D

That's not how I remembered it happened. I thought we had a box to tick/untick depending on whether we wanted our images transferred to TS or not. I chose not to and so they have never appeared on TS. Everyone who I know and trust made their own decision in this regard and they got their choice.
Well, no admin is appearing on the forums to call those with complaints, either about having their files in when they want them out or vice versa, liars. You can bet your bottom dollar that if these complaints were untrue, a certain person would point this out.
There have been several well-documented problems with the TS implementation, and as it's not a priority (what is? - nothing that contributers are concerned about, that's for sure), the ten-day promise is not being upheld, even though I was lucky in this regard, probably deciding to opt out again soon enough that it was done timeously. That doesn't mean I don't see that there are serious concerns.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Question About Extended License On IS
« on: November 07, 2010, 09:02 »
(125 credits) x  (amount paid per credit by the buyer) x (your rate .20 for nonexclusives) = $

So according to the different credit values by iStock: http://www.istockphoto.com/rate_schedule.php
it would be:

125 x $0.95 to $1.52 x 0.2 = $23.75 to $38 ?

But huge buyers can get credits for 70c, so it could be 'as low as' $17.50

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Question About Extended License On IS
« on: November 07, 2010, 08:50 »
Sorry for my uneducated question:

How much $$$ am I supposed to get for a 125 credits Unlimited Reproduction / Print Runs?

I've been researching my eyes bloody to figure out my EL commission rate as a non-excl.

I would greatly appreciate a response so I could contact support and ask for more $$$ if that's the case.
If PAYG, in your case, 20% of 125 x cost of the credit.
Cost of credit could be anything from 70c up to whatever (exchange rates make it difficult to say exactly).
Subscription ELs will be different.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: iStock ELs not paying properly?
« on: November 07, 2010, 08:47 »
What dates were the ELs not being paid correctly for?  I have 3 or 4 that seem low recently, one a few days ago.  I would guess the issue is resolved but who knows, I haven't gotten any extra money or an email about this.  Would it be sent to site mail?  My one week ban has now turned into 2 months with no explanation yet and I have 3 sitemails that I can't read.
I don't think the money's been paid out yet.
I sent a ticket in and got the reply that the matter has been 'resolved', referring to Joyze's post, which said:

"So, after some digging, we realized that this code was pushed early. We are going to roll the code back but I need to work with the dev team to determine when this will happen. To fix the error of our ways, we will be adding the 10% royalties on these Extended Licensing purchases into your account from the date the code went live until the date we get it fixed. This is for exclusive contributors only as they are only eligible for the additional 10% royalties on Extended licensing. We apologize for the inconvenience and if you have any further questions, please let us know."

To which Lobo added:
"This is the final word on this issue. Thanks for your patience, everyone. Go Giants." and locked the thread.

I haven't a clue what the Giant reference was about. Must be an injoke with Joyze or something.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: November 07, 2010, 07:33 »
But then, that seems to be their strategy - fewer downloads at a higher price point.  And actually, there's nothing wrong with that in itself.
Absolutely not: the model worked for many years and is now called 'macrostock'.

Indeed, I agree - it often seems in the monthly stats threads that people are bemoaning and seeing disaster ahead because they have fewer downloads.  It's the income that counts.
I was thinking more like that iStock is supposed to be a 'micro'stock, and it seems to be moving towards macro, though with a very confusing model. They should make their intentions clear to contributers. Some contributers are very commited to the micro model, and may be able to make informed decisions if they only had the actual information to do so.

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