Looks like it might be coming out sooner than we think... like Sept 23.

[gizmodo]

I can't feel my legs;)

Finally the whole CS4 package will support 64bit systems and this finally means getting rid of those 3GB limitations that were just senseless for graphic design on Windows OS (wether XP or Vista x64).

p.s.: The same applies to multiple cores. Everything's going to be smoother. *, it has to.

Photoshop? Bof, I'm still looking for the Azimo stock production robot, who take the pictures and post-process them

I work with a fellow that is a beta tester for Adobe. He tells me that Bridge in CS4 really screams on a MAC. Can't comment about Windows machines though.

You can get certain Adobe products at big discount if you qualify for education discount at places such as academicsuperstore(dot)com. Don't know if this has been mentioned already.

That's how I got CS2 Educator's version. I think the major difference is that you can't upgrade the Ed version, but it's a fraction of the regular. Very interesting to hear CS4 is on its way. You can qualify by being a teacher, going to school full-time and even part-time for certain levels, such as college....

But with the education versions you are not allowed to do any commercial work and for sure microstock is very commercial!!!!

Don't know how I missed the finally implemented GPU extensions. It will not only profit from multicore systems, but expect great improvements from your GFX cards as well. Splendid.

p.s.: Hope this crosses the whole CS4 (especially Illustrator and InDesign), not only Photoshop.

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But with the education versions you are not allowed to do any commercial work and for sure microstock is very commercial!!!!

There are two  education versions (at least here in Aus) - with the ultra cheap student version, introduced with CS3, you are not allowed to do commercial work

Doesn't anyone ever actually read the license?  Or do you just rely on what others tell you?

Adobe changed their license YEARS AGO to remove the "no commercial work" restriction from educational discounts.  Partly to have a unified license and mostly because they learned that students/teachers who earn money using Adobe products stay loyal and have the money to  purchase MORE Adobe products.

I took some classes two years ago at the local community college and an Adobe rep came to an orientation to promote their products. He was asked about the "no commercial work" thing and he explained how it was changed and why.  He said that they found when students graduated, they often switched to competitors products because of those restrictions and because of price (many competitors offered crossgrade discounts from the educational version).  My "educational copy" of CS3 that I bought last year does not contain a single restriction on the materials I create with it.  My only restriction is in regards to transfer of ownership (forbidden with educational discounts).

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But with the education versions you are not allowed to do any commercial work and for sure microstock is very commercial!!!!

There are two  education versions (at least here in Aus) - with the ultra cheap student version, introduced with CS3, you are not allowed to do commercial work

Doesn't anyone ever actually read the license?  Or do you just rely on what others tell you?

Adobe changed their license YEARS AGO to remove the "no commercial work" restriction from educational discounts.  Partly to have a unified license and mostly because they learned that students/teachers who earn money using Adobe products stay loyal and have the money to  purchase MORE Adobe products.

I took some classes two years ago at the local community college and an Adobe rep came to an orientation to promote their products. He was asked about the "no commercial work" thing and he explained how it was changed and why.  He said that they found when students graduated, they often switched to competitors products because of those restrictions and because of price (many competitors offered crossgrade discounts from the educational version).  My "educational copy" of CS3 that I bought last year does not contain a single restriction on the materials I create with it.  My only restriction is in regards to transfer of ownership (forbidden with educational discounts).

Here in Germany there is a very popular university shop which specialize on selling stuff to students and faculty. They have two different Adobe licenses. One student version for commercial work and one restricted that you are not allowed to do commercial work with it.

The Photoshop Student version CS3 Extended for commercial work is: � 274,90
The Photoshop Student version CS3 Extended restricted: � 174
Both licenses also include upgrade to CS4

Usually you pay looking at ebay prices: 600 Euro upwards
So are you telling me these shops which sell two different versions like this one are cheating and that you actually can use the 174 Euro version for commercial work?

I am saying, read the license yourself very carefully and do NOT rely on what I or anyone else tells you that you can and can not do with the works that you create for it.

The CS3 Master Collection I purchased from my college bookstore for $900 has no restriction on what I can do with the works I create using it.  Sadly, I cannot upgrade it to CS4.  But, CS4 is being pre-sold at the bookstore for $958 which is still a bargain.

I'm am attending a local CS4 event tomorrow night at a users group meeting and I plan on asking the Adobe rep to re-affirm the educational license has not changed in CS4 from what my current license is.

I emailed adobe just after cs3 was released was told by them no commercial use for academic versions, so I didn't buy it, so maybe I'll grab creative suite cs4

Quote from: dnavarrojr on September 23, 2008, 16:10

I'm am attending a local CS4 event tomorrow night at a users group meeting and I plan on asking the Adobe rep to re-affirm the educational license has not changed in CS4 from what my current license is.

okay its now the day after tomorrow 

I asked about it last night and he told me that while he has not specifically seen the new license in CS4, he is unaware of any changes from CS3. 

In going through things we believe the following:

I can not upgrade my Education version of CS3 to CS4, I would have to buy a new license (which is only slightly more than the upgrade price anyway).  There is nothing in the CS3 license for the Education version that prevents me from selling the works that I create using it.  We believe it will be the same in CS4.

The leader of the User's Group is a CS4 beta tester, and they are supposed to be getting installer release candidates, so she's gonna look through the license in the installer for me next chance she gets.