Author Topic: PhotoDune by Envato (Read 31450 times)

velocicarpo · « **Reply #25 on:** July 20, 2011, 09:05 »

25% is too low. I see no reason to support a newcoming Agency which such a bad offer...

cidepix · « **Reply #26 on:** July 20, 2011, 10:57 »

Quote from: dirkr on July 20, 2011, 08:00

Quote from: cidepix on July 20, 2011, 07:41
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The good thing is photodune is closer to industry standards than graphicriver for vectors is..

Sorry, but I have to react to that. 25% non-exclusive commission is not close to industry standards. Just because some big players in the industry get away with insulting low rates, it doesn't mean they are setting a standard.

@Collis: Start with 50% non-exclusive. That would be a good start.

I didn't actually mean that their commission was industry standard.. That is low!

If you knew anything about graphicriver upload procedure and policies then you would know how far they are from industry standards.. Photodune on the other hand is more similar to a photo agency..

helix7 · « **Reply #27 on:** July 20, 2011, 17:00 »

Quote from: velocicarpo on July 20, 2011, 09:05

25% is too low. I see no reason to support a newcoming Agency which such a bad offer...

Envato isn't exactly new to the game.

And 25% isn't bad. The prices at PhotoDune are fair. Commissions should be pretty decent. Certainly no worse than what some of the big microstock companies are offering.

I'm assuming you quit istock long ago, even before the rates dropped below 20%? If 25% is unthinkable for you, then...

velocicarpo · « **Reply #28 on:** July 20, 2011, 17:13 »

Quote from: helix7 on July 20, 2011, 17:00

Quote from: velocicarpo on July 20, 2011, 09:05
25% is too low. I see no reason to support a newcoming Agency which such a bad offer...

Envato isn't exactly new to the game.

And 25% isn't bad. The prices at PhotoDune are fair. Commissions should be pretty decent. Certainly no worse than what some of the big microstock companies are offering.

I'm assuming you quit istock long ago, even before the rates dropped below 20%? If 25% is unthinkable for you, then...

I just demand fair commission cuts...
Yes, I quited istock in Septembre last year, started again to upload for a short while and stopped again after 3 weeks until now.

collis · « **Reply #29 on:** July 20, 2011, 17:46 »

Hey guys, I do appreciate the insight, especially on GraphicRiver > Vectors which I've been thinking a lot about lately. There seems to be quite a few issues holding it back, and most of the time in the past I've not paid a lot of attention to what we do on Vectors because on the GR site, it's Print Templates and PSDs which are the larger share of the site. But we are looking at it now in detail, so this information helps.

One interesting note on the pricing question is that we did a price increase last year (a modest one) and unit sales dived and took months to recover to their former levels. Because of the price change, the overall outcome was about the same though, so it was OK overall, but did make us a bit wary of going too much higher. For me personally (as I used to buy lots of vectors) I found I spent more when prices were lower on sites like iStock, than when they got higher and I had to be really certain I was going to use something. Prior to that I just used to buy indiscriminantly and throw half of them away :-) But I don't know if that's normal, I may just be a dumb shopper!

collis · « **Reply #30 on:** July 20, 2011, 17:56 »

Oh just realized there's a second page of comments on this thread!

With respect to rates, as I mentioned previously our focus has always been on authors selling exclusive work. In our core areas - Flash, Themes, After Effects, Photoshop files - almost everyone on our marketplaces are exclusive because our sites are *the* sites to sell on. We've increased those exclusive rates three times in the past so that now I think they are pretty solid. But non-exclusive rates, to be honest, haven't really come into consideration. But the more we move into non-core areas - Audio, 3D, Photos, Vectors - where there are lots of marketplaces around, the more it seems to be getting more important.

As I say, we don't run a low non-exclusive rate to be disrespectful in any way, much more of a case of really pushing exclusivity as the way to go with Envato. Anyhow it all needs more thought, and lots of it as this is (obviously) a huge deal strategically and has lots of implications for us.

velocicarpo · « **Reply #31 on:** July 20, 2011, 18:03 »

Quote from: collis on July 20, 2011, 17:56

Oh just realized there's a second page of comments on this thread!

As I say, we don't run a low non-exclusive rate to be disrespectful in any way, much more of a case of really pushing exclusivity as the way to go with Envato. Anyhow it all needs more thought, and lots of it as this is (obviously) a huge deal strategically and has lots of implications for us.

25% is half of the non-exclusive standard. I consider this as low.
I understand that in your core areas you may be a market leader and can get through with this rates, but in stock images there is a lot of agency competition and I suggest you to be competitive with your offer.

As said by someone else, some big companies get along with low rates as this one, others already seem to fail because of that. Many of us stopped uploading to istock because of comparable and lower rates. You are at least in stock images a start up and should be able to make a better offer.

You won`t push exclusivity with this market strategy in stock imagery.

helix7 · « **Reply #32 on:** July 25, 2011, 15:15 »

Quote from: collis on July 19, 2011, 17:59

Good question. When you have an exclusive account you can sell other things elsewhere, but not the same things. So any item you sell has to be exclusive.

At the moment we've been allowing people to create two accounts, so they can sell one portfolio of things non-exclusively and another exclusively. A good example is this amazing audio author:

http://audiojungle.net/user/soundroll <- Exclusive
http://audiojungle.net/user/soundroll-music <- Non-exclusive

It's not ideal however and I'd really like to fix that so you don't need to make a second account, as it makes it hard to change an item's exclusivity. So one day in the future I hope we can amend that...

Thanks for the info. It's not ideal to have 2 accounts, but I guess if that's how it has to work, that's fine. It would be cool to be able to merge the two accounts some day, though.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #33 on:** July 25, 2011, 16:05 »

Once the Photo site is visible to people outside the "club" perhaps the admin would be kind enough to post that here. I'd consider a new site, even at 25%, depending upon prices and how much of a pain the upload process is.