Author Topic: what do you think of this photo? (Read 25717 times)

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #50 on:** September 16, 2015, 01:02 »

Congratulations

Pauws99 · « **Reply #51 on:** September 16, 2015, 05:28 »

Quote from: dbvirago on September 06, 2015, 18:28

and the photo you linked to wouldn't be accepted today. Noise, lighting, probably composition would get it rejected,

Of course it would - its a 100 years old. Does it make it a bad photograph no. Does it make it a bad phtotograph to sell as stock - yes. There's a big difference.

ShadySue · « **Reply #52 on:** September 16, 2015, 05:45 »

Quote from: Pauws99 on September 16, 2015, 05:28

Quote from: dbvirago on September 06, 2015, 18:28
and the photo you linked to wouldn't be accepted today. Noise, lighting, probably composition would get it rejected,

Of course it would - its a 100 years old. Does it make it a bad photograph no. Does it make it a bad phtotograph to sell as stock - yes. There's a big difference.

It might be accepted on Alamy as 'archival' and be usable as such.

micsmt · « **Reply #53 on:** September 16, 2015, 11:55 »

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=3571025

This is the link to my firsts photos at Shutterstock. Again, critics and tips are very welcome.

Pauws99 · « **Reply #54 on:** September 16, 2015, 14:44 »

Once there up for sale the only real critics worth worrying about are the buyers

. Let what sells guide you

Hongover · « **Reply #55 on:** September 26, 2015, 02:55 »

Quote from: micsmt on September 16, 2015, 11:55

http://www.shutterstock.com/cat.mhtml?gallery_id=3571025

This is the link to my firsts photos at Shutterstock. Again, critics and tips are very welcome.

Your cat is interesting. I've never seen a blue-eyed cat before. Who knows...if you take more interesting compositions of the cat, they may sell well.

And a word of advice...be more descriptive with your titles. Add 'blue eyes' in there. And your key-wording needs a bit of work. Think of other terms to describe cats...like kitten, feline and *.

Edit: looks like they censored the word 'p*ssy'

greenmanvt · « **Reply #56 on:** November 05, 2015, 15:38 »

sigalavaca · « **Reply #57 on:** November 05, 2015, 16:04 »

Mirella,

consider all the criticism you got here, sometimes the tone is harsh, but think it over, there is plenty of good advice.

Brazil also has plenty of opportunities for editorial stuff, for the peixaria: both tambaqui and tucunaré are pretty rare and beautiful fishes, so try to get the fisherman with them, if you get him to "pose" with nice, big yellow ones those pictures could sell.

From your pics I guess you live somewhere in the North, go after social issues:

-deforestation could be a good one, but you need better composition
- since the protests almost every day I have an editorial sale for brazil protests, crisis, etc.

kmlPhoto · « **Reply #58 on:** November 06, 2015, 11:46 »

The criticism you got here is beyond harsh and there is no excuse for it. It is never OK to be rude in the name of offering advise. It is so easy to forget that new photographers have a passion, but not perspective. You feel the calling, but are stuck getting started. I understand how it is. Spend some time on YouTube. The sum total of all photographic knowledge is available there. Adorama has some great shorter clips, B&H has longer form talks that dive deep with various photographers. Yes, your work needs to mature and improve, but don't get discouraged. I recommend working on the skills before trying to submit any pictures to stock agencies.

micsmt · « **Reply #59 on:** November 06, 2015, 15:15 »

Hi!
I always try to look at the good side of everything and even some rude coments helped me some way. I know I need to study and practice a lot but I am already uploadind some pictures and sold 14 photos.
Today I received a tripod a bought in the internet!
Can wait to start using it!
Looking foward to improve!
Thanks for the coments!!!

Elenathewise · « **Reply #60 on:** November 06, 2015, 17:30 »

Microstockphoto · « **Reply #61 on:** November 06, 2015, 18:08 »

Quote from: 4seasons on August 21, 2015, 21:03

Quote from: micsmt on August 21, 2015, 06:35
Why do you think this is a troll? I´m a beginner and have no intention to fool anyone, just trying to improve.

I think that you're trolling here, because I can't imagine that a reasonable man, who have no understanding about photography at all, don't understand what a rubbish he is showing. So You upload here absolutely trash, ask for a opinion, read comments and laughing at people who waste their time and are trying to help you.

If you really need an opinion, then you got it: your snapshots are absolutely trash. There is nothing to discuss about. You need elementary knowledge.

So don't waste others time and do some homework himself. Browse forums, read books and magazines, check 10 agencies best sellers, check 100 best photographers portfolios, practice with your camera- do 10000 shots and examine them. Then after two months of hard work come here and show your photos. Such is my advice.

No offense.

Ive never quoted anyone here but this has me wondering, very rude, but you want to the agencies to treat you with respect. is it not reap what you sow? we complain the agencies treat us like garbage but I would expect us to be better than that, yet we paint our own with the same brush

ShadySue · « **Reply #62 on:** November 06, 2015, 19:45 »

Quote from: Hongover on September 26, 2015, 02:55

And a word of advice...be more descriptive with your titles. Add 'blue eyes' in there. And your key-wording needs a bit of work. Think of other terms to describe cats...like kitten, feline and *.
Edit: looks like they censored the word 'p*ssy'

You wouldn't keyword kitten unless it actually is a kitten.
I wouldn't think (m)any buyers search on 'feline' or 'p*ssy' when they want a cat.

These blue eyes are stunning and a great resource.

Hongover · « **Reply #63 on:** November 06, 2015, 22:15 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2015, 19:45

Quote from: Hongover on September 26, 2015, 02:55
And a word of advice...be more descriptive with your titles. Add 'blue eyes' in there. And your key-wording needs a bit of work. Think of other terms to describe cats...like kitten, feline and *.
Edit: looks like they censored the word 'p*ssy'
You wouldn't keyword kitten unless it actually is a kitten.
I wouldn't think (m)any buyers search on 'feline' or 'p*ssy' when they want a cat.

These blue eyes are stunning and a great resource.

You're right about not many buyers searching for "feline" or "p*ssy", but those bases should be covered regardless. I have images that got found with 10-15 search terms, ranging from as much as 30% to 3%. If 3% uses an uncommon term to find the image and download it, it can be a nice boost to the overall search ranking of the image.

ShadySue · « **Reply #64 on:** November 07, 2015, 07:24 »

Quote from: Hongover on November 06, 2015, 22:15

Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2015, 19:45
Quote from: Hongover on September 26, 2015, 02:55
And a word of advice...be more descriptive with your titles. Add 'blue eyes' in there. And your key-wording needs a bit of work. Think of other terms to describe cats...like kitten, feline and *.
Edit: looks like they censored the word 'p*ssy'
You wouldn't keyword kitten unless it actually is a kitten.
I wouldn't think (m)any buyers search on 'feline' or 'p*ssy' when they want a cat.

These blue eyes are stunning and a great resource.

You're right about not many buyers searching for "feline" or "p*ssy", but those bases should be covered regardless. I have images that got found with 10-15 search terms, ranging from as much as 30% to 3%. If 3% uses an uncommon term to find the image and download it, it can be a nice boost to the overall search ranking of the image.

That's the advantage of a CV (when it's working properly). On iS, when you search Feline you get all cats¹, when you search p*ssy you get 'domestic cats'¹, so you don't need to input these keywords.
¹Plus any spam, of course.

I have no idea how the SS keywording works, but you seem to be suggesting that someone buying your file on 'p*ssy', say, would elevate the ranking on all keywords used on that file, not just the keyword the buyer searched on?

Difydave · « **Reply #65 on:** November 07, 2015, 10:27 »

I reckon that whether a particular keyword gets searched for depends on what the object is and what the different search terms are.

A shot of a car might be keyworded, for instance: car, motor car, motor, vehicle, automobile. Those words might well be searched for without too much of a stretch.

While for instance "wheels" is often used in speech to refer to a car, no one is really going to use "wheels" to actually search for a shot of a car. It then means that anyone looking for "wheels" might see images of cars they don't want (although looking at one or two agencies that search isn't bad so my example isn't that good!)

Keywording a shot of a domestic cat as "p*ssy" is just too much of a stretch. I can't believe that anyone today is ever going to use that term when searching for an image of a cat.

This is part of the problem with keyword spam IMHO.

marthamarks · « **Reply #66 on:** November 07, 2015, 10:37 »

Quote from: Difydave on November 07, 2015, 10:27

Keywording a shot of a domestic cat as "p*ssy" is just too much of a stretch. I can't believe that anyone today is ever going to use that term when searching for an image of a cat.

Exactly what I've been thinking.

And since everybody here seems compelled to insert * into that "p-word" (which you wouldn't do if it really were referring to a domestic house cat), shows that it would be a spam keyword when used to refer to a cat.

ShadySue · « **Reply #67 on:** November 07, 2015, 10:43 »

Quote from: marthamarks on November 07, 2015, 10:37

And since everybody here seems compelled to insert * into that "p-word" (which you wouldn't do if it really were referring to a domestic house cat), just goes to show that it would be a spam keyword when used to refer to a cat.

No, that's because if you write p.u.s.s.y without the dots, the msg 'system' translates it to *.
In sitemails at least, the same happens with s.u.c.k.i.n.g.. Let's see if it happens here: I mean as in "I've been * throat sweets all day."

Hongover · « **Reply #68 on:** November 07, 2015, 13:45 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 07, 2015, 07:24

Quote from: Hongover on November 06, 2015, 22:15
Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2015, 19:45
Quote from: Hongover on September 26, 2015, 02:55
And a word of advice...be more descriptive with your titles. Add 'blue eyes' in there. And your key-wording needs a bit of work. Think of other terms to describe cats...like kitten, feline and *.
Edit: looks like they censored the word 'p*ssy'
You wouldn't keyword kitten unless it actually is a kitten.
I wouldn't think (m)any buyers search on 'feline' or 'p*ssy' when they want a cat.

These blue eyes are stunning and a great resource.

You're right about not many buyers searching for "feline" or "p*ssy", but those bases should be covered regardless. I have images that got found with 10-15 search terms, ranging from as much as 30% to 3%. If 3% uses an uncommon term to find the image and download it, it can be a nice boost to the overall search ranking of the image.
That's the advantage of a CV (when it's working properly). On iS, when you search Feline you get all cats¹, when you search p*ssy you get 'domestic cats'¹, so you don't need to input these keywords.
¹Plus any spam, of course.

I have no idea how the SS keywording works, but you seem to be suggesting that someone buying your file on 'p*ssy', say, would elevate the ranking on all keywords used on that file, not just the keyword the buyer searched on?

Look up the term "cat" and "p*ssy cat". You can try to compete with 467,000 search results or you can compete with 37,000. The term "p*ssy" is usually not searched by itself and if you do, you get a mixture of P*ssy Willow flowers, cats and pictures referencing female private parts. You combine it with the word "cat" and it becomes a relevant term.

Some will call it keyword spam, but I call it SEO. It's nearly impossible to compete for the word "cat", so why fight an uphill battle and lose epically? And honestly, I don't think it's spam at all, because the it's still a fairly common term to describe cats. You may not, but not all thought process are the same.

condra · « **Reply #69 on:** November 11, 2015, 11:39 »

micsmt you have shown in this thread some of the qualities that only the best photographers in the world have.
You're open to criticism. You're hard on yourself. You want to learn. You're willing to change. You work hard and never give up.

Huge respect for you.

marthamarks · « **Reply #70 on:** November 11, 2015, 11:49 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 07, 2015, 10:43

Quote from: marthamarks on November 07, 2015, 10:37
And since everybody here seems compelled to insert * into that "p-word" (which you wouldn't do if it really were referring to a domestic house cat), just goes to show that it would be a spam keyword when used to refer to a cat.
No, that's because if you write p.u.s.s.y without the dots, the msg 'system' translates it to *.
In sitemails at least, the same happens with s.u.c.k.i.n.g.. Let's see if it happens here: I mean as in "I've been * throat sweets all day."

Well, that really is interesting! I didn't realize we had an robo-censor hard at work here.

Maybe it's because in everyday American speech I hardly ever hear the term * cat (I spelled that 5-letter word out, and now await the robo-censor). Seems that "house cat" may have replaced it here, perhaps to avoid the raunchy connotation.

And in fact, "house cat" is the keyword I would use if I were to photograph such critters.

ShadySue · « **Reply #71 on:** November 11, 2015, 13:02 »

I was going to suggest 'moggy' as the equivalent of 'mongrel' dog, but apparently that's only a UK-English usage.

marthamarks · « **Reply #72 on:** November 11, 2015, 13:24 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 11, 2015, 13:02

I was going to suggest 'moggy' as the equivalent of 'mongrel' dog, but apparently that's only a UK-English usage.

"Moggy" is definitely not in common usage here in the US. People would probably think you're saying "muggy"… meaning hot and sticky weather.

Two peoples separated by a common language.

micsmt · « **Reply #73 on:** November 13, 2015, 15:35 »

Quote from: micsmt on August 20, 2015, 19:16

I´m a newbie, be my guest to criticize...

I 'm not trying to start a controversy here, just bring hope and PERSPECTIVE that someone , somewhere, may be looking for an image that no one imagines.
I sold two photos that no one imagined it would be sold someday.

sigalavaca · « **Reply #74 on:** November 13, 2015, 15:43 »

congrats/parabéns

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