Quote from: Lowls on September 24, 2023, 16:59

So the phenomena is global. Allegedly all the major powers possess them. No country has managed to get very far in researching them. Allegedly.

The Russians do not have the research potential to study UFOs. The Russians may find a UFO, but they won't understand anything about it.
Therefore, any information that is declassified by the United States and other NATO countries will give the Russians a clue.

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 25, 2023, 06:37

Quote from: Lowls on September 24, 2023, 16:59

So the phenomena is global. Allegedly all the major powers possess them. No country has managed to get very far in researching them. Allegedly.

The Russians do not have the research potential to study UFOs. The Russians may find a UFO, but they won't understand anything about it.
Therefore, any information that is declassified by the United States and other NATO countries will give the Russians a clue.

Well personally I believe that perspective is incorrect. Russia has incredible scientists. They may lack economic money but they don't lack money. They have a bottomless wealth and resources. It will come down to political will.

Quote from: Lowls on September 24, 2023, 17:25

It is a known scientific fact that aliens have indeed infiltrated the air space of the planet and further more landed craft on numerous ocassions. You just choose to believe this is not possible despite evidence to the contrary.

If this is a know scientific fact, maybe you can show the evidence?

Quote from: Stock4Me on September 25, 2023, 07:59

Quote from: Lowls on September 24, 2023, 17:25

It is a known scientific fact that aliens have indeed infiltrated the air space of the planet and further more landed craft on numerous ocassions. You just choose to believe this is not possible despite evidence to the contrary.

If this is a know scientific fact, maybe you can show the evidence?

you'll have to check 2 posts under that original post. It was perspective humour.

Erm so with regard to your comments if we were in a room together I'd have a better handle on what context you're coming from. If you are a flag waving American then maybe your perspective is I'd say screwed. If you're Russian then I see aspects of what you're saying accurate and if you're Ukranian then ... well it would make a lot of sense. There were many examples through history that show the Russians to be a dirt poor nation. Ruby Wax visiting Rissia was permitted to buy pizza but her Russian guide wasn't. They built two single skin titanium submarines that were maybe still are far superior in certain aspects to any competitor. But it was always states this nearly destroyed the country due to costs. These snippets have always been the case. But even during these sanctions you can find Russians online who are filming supermarkets and various other places and there is no shortage of everyday vituals. Half an army means very little when you have nuclear arms as a backstop. They have developed a far superior radar system and energy weapon system in the last ... if I remember rightly 15 years ago is when I found out. I admit I don't go looking often it's just not my thing. But what is a fact is that science is science and you cannot legitimately claim that Russia and China wouldn't understand what they were looking at. Factually they just dont care as much about danger. This gives them the edge in any conflict. And the only reason Ukraine have managed to stave off Russian invasion is ... well I'll give you 70 billion+ reasons. Rightly so obviously it is an atrocity... but it isnt because they are any better than the Russian army. You have disasters like tank design. Omitting a secure wall between the weapons bay and the soldiers was as they've found to their costs a massive strategic failing. But its quite silly to claim their scientific community is less than anywhere else. As I said science is science and anyone can educate themselves to apply scientifc principles. Or they take them ... like America did after WW2.

Following that on reddit. They even released DNA data.

Waiting for this to hit front page news.

They should send these corpses to other Universities around the world or invite their specialists to come in.

Quote from: Lowls on September 25, 2023, 11:03

Quote from: Uncle Pete on September 25, 2023, 10:56

Quote from: Lowls on September 25, 2023, 08:28

Quote from: Stock4Me on September 25, 2023, 07:59

Quote from: Lowls on September 24, 2023, 17:25

It is a known scientific fact that aliens have indeed infiltrated the air space of the planet and further more landed craft on numerous ocassions. You just choose to believe this is not possible despite evidence to the contrary.

If this is a know scientific fact, maybe you can show the evidence?

you'll have to check 2 posts under that original post. It was perspective humour.

Erm so with regard to your comments if we were in a room together I'd have a better handle on what context you're coming from. If you are a flag waving American then maybe your perspective is I'd say screwed. If you're Russian then I see aspects of what you're saying accurate and if you're Ukranian then ... well it would make a lot of sense. There were many examples through history that show the Russians to be a dirt poor nation. Ruby Wax visiting Rissia was permitted to buy pizza but her Russian guide wasn't. They built two single skin titanium submarines that were maybe still are far superior in certain aspects to any competitor. But it was always states this nearly destroyed the country due to costs. These snippets have always been the case. But even during these sanctions you can find Russians online who are filming supermarkets and various other places and there is no shortage of everyday vituals. Half an army means very little when you have nuclear arms as a backstop. They have developed a far superior radar system and energy weapon system in the last ... if I remember rightly 15 years ago is when I found out. I admit I don't go looking often it's just not my thing. But what is a fact is that science is science and you cannot legitimately claim that Russia and China wouldn't understand what they were looking at. Factually they just dont care as much about danger. This gives them the edge in any conflict. And the only reason Ukraine have managed to stave off Russian invasion is ... well I'll give you 70 billion+ reasons. Rightly so obviously it is an atrocity... but it isnt because they are any better than the Russian army. You have disasters like tank design. Omitting a secure wall between the weapons bay and the soldiers was as they've found to their costs a massive strategic failing. But its quite silly to claim their scientific community is less than anywhere else. As I said science is science and anyone can educate themselves to apply scientifc principles. Or they take them ... like America did after WW2.

Evidence ? make that ❓

Sure look a couple of pages back 😊

Please be specific? What evidence, not conjecture, hypothetical or someone claims he knows someone who said they saw something. I mean, solid factual evidence. Not made up stories by someone like Lazar who says he saw things and has evidence, but he's not going to show his piece of Element 115 to anyone. "Lazar said that deep within an unconfirmed section of Area 51 called �S4,� he�d once worked on recovered extraterrestrial spacecraft for the US government."

Got a photo maybe?

�Grusch claims he has given Congress and the Intelligence Community Inspector General extensive classified information about deeply covert programs that he says possess retrieved intact and partially intact craft of non-human origin.� �Quite a number,�

Anyone have a photo or maybe some piece of one of these?

Quote from: LDV81 on September 24, 2023, 15:12

And there are pro-disclosure and anti-disclosure factions within the US government.

Any information about UFOs should not fall into the hands of the Russians or China. All technologies of extraterrestrial origin are a secret and a military secret.

....
In the 1800s, people who claimed to have flown up into space in a motor powered balloon said the creatures up there looked like jellyfish. This was before flying saucers and talk of alien visitors but still interesting. Oh and they claimed they flew their aeroplane before the Wright Brothers, by many years. 

Quote from: LDV81 on September 25, 2023, 09:25

Hundreds of years ago, some people in Europe claimed that black swans were not possible - without having explored the whole of the Earth. That was arrogant.

So you say, yet so far you have failed to provide any evidence whatsoever that ANYONE, let alone a scientist of any repute, EVER said anything like that.

The phrase "black swan" derives from a Latin expression; its oldest known occurrence is from the 2nd-century Roman poet Juvenal's characterization in his Satire VI of something being "rara avis in terris nigroque simillima cygno" ("a rare bird in the lands and very much like a black swan").[4]: 165 [5][6] When the phrase was coined, the black swan was presumed not to exist. The importance of the metaphor lies in its analogy to the fragility of any system of thought. A set of conclusions is potentially undone once any of its fundamental postulates is disproved. In this case, the observation of a single black swan would be the undoing of the logic of any system of thought, as well as any reasoning that followed from that underlying logic.

Juvenal's phrase was a common expression in 16th century London as a statement of impossibility.[7] The London expression derives from the Old World presumption that all swans must be white because all historical records of swans reported that they had white feathers.[8] In that context, a black swan was impossible or at least nonexistent.

any theory destroyed by 1 black swan was a poor theory to start with. scientists wouldn't make a statement such as 'there are no black swans' and you have yet to give an actual scientific example from the modern world

Quote from: Lowls on September 24, 2023, 18:48

Quote from: Big Toe on September 24, 2023, 18:18

Quote from: Lowls on September 24, 2023, 17:25

It is a known scientific fact that aliens have indeed infiltrated the air space of the planet and further more landed craft on numerous ocassions.

And I thought I was the one supposed to make the jokes in this thread.

Only our arrogance prevents us from believing its possible.  Didn't say which planet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_landings_on_extraterrestrial_bodies

And from those locations we ... are alien  and I kinda like your jokes because they feel light hearted not malicious.

1. When people talk about "the planet" without further specification, it is kind of understood that they talk about the Earth. When you read the slogan "Save the planet", you probably don't think they mean Mars or Venus. Just like when you are in England and talk about the Queen (ok, now the King), it is understood that you mean the Queen of England and not the one of Denmark or the Netherlands.

2. I guess technically we are aliens on other planets in our solar system, however, as there is no one there to call us that, I am not sure how much sense such a designation really makes. Also please note that even if for example Martians existed, they could still not truthfully claim to have been visitied by aliens, since so far only unmanned spacecraft have landed on other planets (the moon is not a planet).

3. Most importantly, it is clear that interplanetary spacefaring is possible and that in the future people from Earth will likely visit Mars and possibly other planets. Interstellar space travel is a totally different thing, as the distances are incomparably larger and the star systems next to us are probably not inhabited. So even it we traveled there, we would probably not find other civilisations.

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