Following that on reddit. They even released DNA data.

Waiting for this to hit front page news.

They should send these corpses to other Universities around the world or invite their specialists to come in.

Ancient 'Non-Human' Alien Bodies Found in Mines, UFO Expert Says

https://www.newsweek.com/non-human-alien-bodies-found-ufo-crash-1826609

https://youtu.be/1butDTz8Pbk

So I don�t understand, are they showing people real aliens? 

OK so it's hard to tell. 100% some of the bodies in the past that Jaime Maussan has presented are ancient bodies that have been found. Called mummified but actually petrified. They aren't alien. The X-rays of these bodies have had children human bones from say a leg (femur) placed in the bodies humorous position to elongate it. The upper arm. It was also found that whomever constructed these corpses placed tie bones in some of the finger positions to make them longer and in the wrist areas various finger bones were just well dumped in a mish mash. The final straw was that although some of the bodies had naturally very elongated skulls (sciencists) claim this was probably due to head binding of a child, a common practice in some areas of then world then, that some of the skulls had been assembled from the front half of a child and the back of the skull was actually a lamas skull turned round.

Now as gruesome as that sounds he's never been charged with any such crime. Skeptics have but no authorities have. And he lives in infamy. And then they wheeled him out at the end of the Mexican USP hearings and he opened the boxes ro reveal two more skeletal remains.

This is where is gets wierd. The two he brought out have been examined and a genome sequence extracted and registered. Gary Nolan a very well respected scientist has stated he is too busy to do the work examining the sequence and it will take quite a bit of finding and a year roughly to get to the bottom of it. Errors were made and human cross contamination did happen. That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown. Further more the various documentaries debunking these bodies didn't feature the specific ones he wheel out. X-rays have been taken and many many tests done by the Mexican governments medical officer and he has concluded they are not human.

There are anomalies. Whilst it doesn't appear that any bones are where they shouldn't be there doesn't appear to be any room for lungs. This means they're fake or had a different breathing method. Their skulls do not appear to have been tampered with. The only question really hangs over their legs. Normally the top of the femur (thigh bone) would have a ball on top. So that it can freely move. Neither body has a ball. But that's human and animal anatomy and perhaps they had some different structure there that has disintegrated. The female shows on x-ray to have 3 eggs inside her consistent with some form of amphibian anatomy and there are rumours now surfacing that the closest match to the 30% is turtle dna. But it's in no way definitive.

The debunkers are popping champaign corks morning noon and night. Believers are disgusted with the whole thing and word is going around that the inteligence community are breathing a sigh of relief.

As the ashes are falling Mike Pence gets collared by an Interviewer and asked
I: Did you get briefed on UFOs
MP: I did.
I: Do they exist?
MP: Well it doesn't exist but I'll tell you I've been out to area 51 and I didn't see anything there that wasn't from here.

Which means UFOs do exists. You can't be briefed on something if it isn't real. I mean youde have to have the IQ of chicken feed to believe otherwise but even if his briefing was they don't exists he wasn't prepared to say that and randomly started offering lack of aliens at area 51. He's being roasted about that now. Silly answer to a yes or no question. And made things worse for himself. Oh well meh.

So back to bodies they've been tested to death according to the Mexican government but honestly it's a blood bath. Americans Vs Mexicans is a vile experience to watch and this is being used as another stick to beat the Mexicans with. But the scientific data has been released to the public and you can go and look at the genome sequence yourself. It's a f'ing large file apprently lol. I think garry nolannsaid somwthing about 4TB of data maybe he said GB but still lol.

There its a waiting game on the two from the hearings with a dodgy slap dash examination of them in the past brought forward to today as irrefutable evidence of their fakeness. Except most of what the morons are waving around is related to the known fakes. We'll see.

Quote from: Lowls on September 14, 2023, 08:39

That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown.

??

that's not what the university cited - they only had access to the DNA and did the c14 dating - they made NO clams about origin
The university lab which did the testing �disassociates itself from any use, interpretation, or subsequent misrepresentation of the results it provides,� the institute said. �In no case do we draw conclusions about the origin of these samples.�

Similarly, Ant�gona Segura, one of Mexico�s top astrobiologists, questioned Mr. Maussan�s contentions. �These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence,� said Dr. Segura, who collaborates with the Nexus for Exoplanet System Science, a NASA initiative to search for life on distant worlds. �The whole thing is very shameful.�

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/world/americas/alien-mummy-congress-mexico.html

and these ARE mummies - as usually found in the high andes - but not Egyptian-brand mummies. 'petrified' bodies means turned to rock which doesnt contain DNA

in other words, just the usual UFO-alien nonsense

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 14, 2023, 09:07

Quote from: Lowls on September 14, 2023, 08:39

That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown.

??

that's not what the university cited - they only had access to the DNA and did the c14 dating - they made NO clams about origin
The university lab which did the testing �disassociates itself from any use, interpretation, or subsequent misrepresentation of the results it provides,� the institute said. �In no case do we draw conclusions about the origin of these samples.�

Similarly, Ant�gona Segura, one of Mexico�s top astrobiologists, questioned Mr. Maussan�s contentions. �These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence,� said Dr. Segura, who collaborates with the Nexus for Exoplanet System Science, a NASA initiative to search for life on distant worlds. �The whole thing is very shameful.�

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/world/americas/alien-mummy-congress-mexico.html

and these ARE mummies - as usually found in the high andes - but not Egyptian-brand mummies. 'petrified' bodies means turned to rock which doesnt contain DNA

in other words, just the usual UFO-alien nonsense

noted re: petrification

Yes it's a bit of a mess isn't it. The problem is any scientific opinion means very little at present. What would they reference as a comparison. Another alien they claim doesnt exist.

 There are claims that the bones in one of these bodies arms is a child's femur. The shape doesn't match very well but well enough to claim it. But the claim that it is a child's femur is a fallacy. Samples of it would need to be drilled to determine composition and age. I'm not sure if that's been done.

The same with similar dimensions to a reversed portion of the rear of a llama skull masquerading as its face. Various biologists have stated it is possible but without examining it themselves they aren't prepared to make a discision based on screen shots and uploaded photos of scans and X rays which is right and proper.

The major thing is the hips. No ball joint at the top of the femur. Some claim making walking impossible and others claiming no side movement would have been possible. Only an uncomfortable foreward motion would be possible. But they're 1000 years old. Allegedly.

Of the biologist that have come forward they have pointed to these impressions but state that unfortunately it 'could' be possible that some other structure was present which has since decayed away leaving little or no trace. They don't think its likely but still.
Its one of those things that the right people to investigate it fully are the very people that have been shown to cover up and lie about things whilst others are not prepared to be associated with it.

It will then it seems have to come down to the dna for now while funding is sought to do what is required.

Garry Nolan asked chatgpt what would be needed to answer this question. He was amazed to discover that for the most part chatgpt was correct. Chatgpt has added equipment costs which if you already had them would significant reduce costs.

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Someone has claimed they found an alien mummy.  They have x-rays and DNA results they claim are evidence.  Others have pointed out the bones look to be from multiple different animals, and humans, glued together.  The DNA results claim the sequences are unlike anything seen.  What would you do to explore the findings if you had to repeat them, and how large a team would it take to do so...  that includes a full forensic analysis of the mummies, and redoing the DNA analysis.  You are doing this at the level of a high-end medical laboratory or FBI-level forensics research.  Give me a detailed point-by-point analysis, then the costs required.

ChatGPT:  Investigating a claim of an alien mummy with the rigor of a high-end medical laboratory or FBI-level forensics research would require a multi-disciplinary approach. Here's a step-by-step analysis of the process:

1. Forensic Examination of the Mummy: 

Visual Examination: Begin with a thorough visual examination to document the mummy's appearance, including any signs of tampering or alteration.
Radiographic Analysis: Use X-rays to examine the internal structure of the mummy. This will help identify any inconsistencies in bone structure or evidence of multiple species.

CT Scanning: This provides a more detailed view of the internal structures and can help identify any hidden anomalies.

Microscopic Analysis: Examine tissue samples under a microscope to identify any signs of tampering or to determine the age of the tissues.

Team Required: Forensic anthropologist, radiologist, forensic pathologist.

2. DNA Analysis:

Sample Collection: Extract DNA samples from various parts of the mummy to ensure a comprehensive analysis.

DNA Sequencing: Sequence the DNA to determine its genetic makeup.

Comparison with Known Species: Compare the DNA sequences with known species to identify any matches or anomalies.

Contamination Check: Ensure that the samples haven't been contaminated with human or other DNA.

Team Required: Molecular biologist, geneticist, bioinformatician.

3. Chemical Analysis:

Tissue Analysis: Analyze the tissue samples to determine their chemical composition and to identify any preservatives or adhesives.

Isotope Analysis: This can provide information about the mummy's diet and geographical origin.

Team Required: Forensic chemist, biochemist.

4. Historical and Cultural Analysis:

Provenance Research: Determine the origin of the mummy, its history, and any previous owners or handlers.

Cultural Analysis: Consult with experts on ancient cultures to determine if the mummy fits within any known historical or cultural context.

Team Required: Historian, archaeologist, cultural anthropologist.

5. Documentation and Reporting:

Photographic Documentation: Document every step of the investigation with high-resolution photographs.
Detailed Reporting: Compile a comprehensive report detailing the findings, methodologies used, and conclusions.

Team Required: Forensic photographer, technical writer.
Cost Estimation:

Forensic Examination:
Equipment (X-ray machine, CT scanner, microscopes): $500,000 - $1,000,000
Personnel: $300,000 (annual salaries combined)

DNA Analysis:
Equipment (DNA sequencers, lab equipment): $200,000 - $500,000
Personnel: $250,000 (annual salaries combined)

Chemical Analysis:
Equipment (mass spectrometers, chromatographs): $100,000 - $300,000
Personnel: $200,000 (annual salaries combined)

Historical and Cultural Analysis:
Research materials, travel, consultations: $50,000 - $100,000
Personnel: $150,000 (annual salaries combined)

Documentation and Reporting:
Equipment (cameras, software): $10,000 - $50,000
Personnel: $100,000 (annual salaries combined)

Total Estimated Cost: $1,110,000 - $2,600,000 (This is a rough estimate and actual costs could vary based on location, specific equipment used, and other variables.)

This investigation would be comprehensive and would aim to either validate or debunk the claim of an alien mummy. The team would work collaboratively, sharing findings and consulting with each other throughout the process.  At the end of the process, the results would be submitted for peer-review prior to making formal claims.

Anyone got a couple of million hanging around that they want to waste on a fake alien? lol.

NASA Report, Officials stressed the panel found no evidence that UAPs had extraterrestrial origin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/nasa-s-ufo-task-force-has-released-its-final-report-it-s-not-aliens/ar-AA1gJtVJ

�We find no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial in origin,� said team lead David Spergel at Princeton University during the press conference. �Most events are explainable as planes, balloons, drones, weather phenomena and instrument features.�

NASA Independent Panel report.

Quote from: Lowls on September 14, 2023, 08:39

That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown.

??

Unknown doesn't translate to aliens or anything, it means... UNKNOWN very simple, it couldn't be identified because the structure was too old or had been destroyed. Finding nothing is not a way to jump to the conclusion that it's something else.

Quote from: Lowls on September 15, 2023, 06:44

Quote from: cascoly on September 14, 2023, 13:33

that's not what the university cited - they only had access to the DNA and did the c14 dating - they made NO clams about origin
The university lab which did the testing �disassociates itself from any use, interpretation, or subsequent misrepresentation of the results it provides,� the institute said. �In no case do we draw conclusions about the origin of these samples.�

Similarly, Ant�gona Segura, one of Mexico�s top astrobiologists, questioned Mr. Maussan�s contentions. �These conclusions are simply not backed up by evidence,� said Dr. Segura, who collaborates with the Nexus for Exoplanet System Science, a NASA initiative to search for life on distant worlds. �The whole thing is very shameful.�

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/13/world/americas/alien-mummy-congress-mexico.html

and these ARE mummies - as usually found in the high andes - but not Egyptian-brand mummies. 'petrified' bodies means turned to rock which doesnt contain DNA

in other words, just the usual UFO-alien nonsense

noted re: petrification

Yes it's a bit of a mess isn't it. The problem is any scientific opinion means very little at present. What would they reference as a comparison. Another alien they claim doesnt exist.

 There are claims that the bones in one of these bodies arms is a child's femur. The shape doesn't match very well but well enough to claim it. But the claim that it is a child's femur is a fallacy. Samples of it would need to be drilled to determine composition and age. I'm not sure if that's been done.

The same with similar dimensions to a reversed portion of the rear of a llama skull masquerading as its face. Various biologists have stated it is possible but without examining it themselves they aren't prepared to make a discision based on screen shots and uploaded photos of scans and X rays which is right and proper.

no, the problem is that this wasn't treated scientifically. some DNA was examined externally with no claim of extraterrestrial existence. but otherwise this ridiculous 'release' is exploited by a previously exposed UFO hoaxer w/o credentials and who performed none of the necessary tests for a REAL scientific report.

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The major thing is the hips. No ball joint at the top of the femur. Some claim making walking impossible and others claiming no side movement would have been possible. Only an uncomfortable foreward motion would be possible. But they're 1000 years old. Allegedly.

nonsense - we have hundreds of fossils, millions of ears old, across vertebrate lines & none of their hips have such a mal-formed femur. 

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Of the biologist that have come forward they have pointed to these impressions but state that unfortunately it 'could' be possible that some other structure was present which has since decayed away leaving little or no trace. They don't think its likely but still.

more scientific whaledreck - they don't think it's likely. Period.  it's also not likely it was the remains of a terrestrial leprechaun, but still..

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Its one of those things that the right people to investigate it fully are the very people that have been shown to cover up and lie about things whilst others are not prepared to be associated with it.

you slander thousands of reputable scientists and officials who have not done anything like that. instead you support hoaxers, frauds* flim-flam reports that would never make it to a peer reviewed journal. in the real scientific world, these sorts of tests are done BEFORE making extraordinary claims.

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It will then it seems have to come down to the DNA for now while funding is sought to do what is required.

yes and the DNA does not support the hoaxer's claims.
 
 

I guess it's drinky time again is it? I didn't slander any scientist moron.

Good to get your unqualified perspective on the rest before you start ranting. Shame. I've tried numerous times to engage with you but you always default to the patronising obnoxious discourse. At a boy 👍

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on September 15, 2023, 06:21

NASA Report, Officials stressed the panel found no evidence that UAPs had extraterrestrial origin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/nasa-s-ufo-task-force-has-released-its-final-report-it-s-not-aliens/ar-AA1gJtVJ

�We find no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial in origin,� said team lead David Spergel at Princeton University during the press conference. �Most events are explainable as planes, balloons, drones, weather phenomena and instrument features.�

NASA Independent Panel report.

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 14, 2023, 09:07

Quote from: Lowls on September 14, 2023, 08:39

That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown.

??

Unknown doesn't translate to aliens or anything, it means... UNKNOWN very simple, it couldn't be identified because the structure was too old or had been destroyed. Finding nothing is not a way to jump to the conclusion that it's something else.

Thank you Peter for explaining the obvious. Just answering a question. Don't panic no one is challenging your religious beliefs.

urghhh and the mess gets deeper and deeper.

Hello, everyone :

Many of you have contacted us in relation to the presentation of two alleged "reptilian humanoid" specimens last Tuesday, September 12, 2023 before the Congress of the Republic of Mexico.

These two specimens were supposedly discovered in the Nasca region in 2017 (sic) and then shipped to Mexico several months ago.

On behalf of all the members of the Inkarri Cusco Institute, we want to express our deepest disagreement with this scandalous situation.

As we have not had the opportunity to examine these two supposedly non-human mummies, we cannot confirm their suspected authenticity.

The only mummified bodies about which we can give a definitive opinion are those of "Mar�a", "Wawita", "Alberto", "Josefina" and "Victoria". These mummies are currently at the San Luis Gonzaga University of Ica (UNICA) and have been studied and analyzed since 2019.

On the basis of these analyses, the two species studied have been classified as "unknown origin." The Inkarri Institute does not go further, preferring to leave the debate on this "origin" to specialists in the field, without favoring any particular hypothesis.

The two copies presented last Tuesday before the Congress of the Republic of Mexico were taken from Peru completely illegally, without any authorization from the Peruvian authorities. These mummified bodies are part of the cultural heritage of Peru. They should be in a local museum in Nasca, not in Mexico City.

We hope that the Peruvian authorities can clarify this totally anomalous situation and achieve the return of these cultural objects.

Concerned about the protection and preservation of Peruvian cultural heritage, the Inkarri Institute will remain attentive to the outcome of this case.

Sincerely, from the Heart of the Andes,

Cusco, September 14, 2023

Thierry Jamin
President of the
Inkarri Institute Cusco

Jos� Casafranca Mont�s
Vice president

Edward Valenzuela Gil
Communication Manager

So ut is really unclear what is going on because he was quite happy to deal with JM as seen in these various videos on this page
https://www.the-alien-project.com/en/nasca-mummies-josefina/

Quote from: Uncle Pete on September 15, 2023, 11:16

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on September 15, 2023, 06:21

NASA Report, Officials stressed the panel found no evidence that UAPs had extraterrestrial origin.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/nasa-s-ufo-task-force-has-released-its-final-report-it-s-not-aliens/ar-AA1gJtVJ

�We find no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial in origin,� said team lead David Spergel at Princeton University during the press conference. �Most events are explainable as planes, balloons, drones, weather phenomena and instrument features.�

NASA Independent Panel report.

Quote from: stoker2014 on September 14, 2023, 09:07

Quote from: Lowls on September 14, 2023, 08:39

That said it only exhibits 70% human dna and 30% unknown.

??

Unknown doesn't translate to aliens or anything, it means... UNKNOWN very simple, it couldn't be identified because the structure was too old or had been destroyed. Finding nothing is not a way to jump to the conclusion that it's something else.

Thank you Peter for explaining the obvious. Just answering a question. Don't panic no one is challenging your religious beliefs.

Well when someone and their cult religion insists that Unknown some how means extraterrestrial by default, the obvious does need to be explained. And when it's the NASA panel not the Congressional panel and you answer as if it was the second, that needs to be explained, even if obvious.

Not known, as in missing, can't be determined, doesn't become proof of the pseudo-science unknown. It's not evidence of something, it's lack of anything that can be known for sure.

Maybe since there are supposed to be aliens in captivity, dead or alive and the Govt. is reverse engineering craft. How about a photo? Everyone has phones now and there are no secrets. Where's the proof of the claims?

I guess Pete isn't interested after all. Like a stock cube PSL. Plop, Stir, Leave.

Annnnyway during the David Grusch hearings senator Matt Gaetz referred to an incident ... "I was called to go to Eglin AFB to deal with a situation that  had been made aware of. We were met by the base commander and told we had wasted our time. We were shown unto a room and shown a few bits of data and told to go home. We were promised pilots and we were refused pilots. So I made a few calls and he was briefed on authority and clearances and we got access to the pilots and footage"

until now this has been classified and denied.

https://www.liberationtimes.com/home/us-air-force-reports-mysterious-gulf-of-mexico-incident-to-pentagons-ufo-office

The Department of Defense (DoD) has officially confirmed to Liberation Times that the United States Air Force (USAF) has submitted a report about an incident involving an unknown object that occurred earlier this year to its Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (UAP) office, known as the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO).

Very good read about something that was claimed as false.

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on September 15, 2023, 06:21

NASA Report, Officials stressed the panel found no evidence that UAPs had extraterrestrial origin.

Now mummies from space. Don't ruin the childish fantasy with made up stories. This is total nonsense.

Thank you for your service.

Quote from: alan b traehern on September 22, 2023, 06:38

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on September 15, 2023, 06:21

NASA Report, Officials stressed the panel found no evidence that UAPs had extraterrestrial origin.

Now mummies from space. Don't ruin the childish fantasy with made up stories. This is total nonsense.

As you apparently have nothing constructive or interesting to contribute, you wasted a fantastic opportunity to remain silent.

the story this far - lots of hearsay, rumors and conspiracy nonsense - actual evidence? NADA. and any critiques are met with ad hominem attacks rather than addressing the serious lack of evidence other than 'i know a guy who said they knew somebody who saw something'

if posts had to be constructive or interesting this thread would be done - all we get are rumors and links the posters  havent even read!