David Grusch speaks exclusively on Newsnation

Time : 9pm Eastern Time Sunday 11th June
GMT :  2 am 12th June

Hour long interview followed by an hour long analysis.

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The Mandela Effect is an observed phenomenon in which a large segment of the population misremembers a significant event or shares a memory of an event that did not actually occur

Nelson Mandela, who this theory is named after, died in 2013. However, countless people distinctly remember him dying in prison in the 1980s. I do not personally but he was a passing event I barely remember. Maybe those closer to the event have a stronger or more solid memory which resist the ripple.

for example ...



"Toto, I don't think we're in Kansas anymore,� ... apparently incorrect. I can see her say it.

Sex in the City was factually Sex and the City.

Febreeze spray is actually and has always been febreze.

The monopoly man never had a monocle 🧐

Sketchers shoes didn't have a t. Skechers is has always been.

Kellogs Fruit Loops never existed and has always been Froot Loops.

Pikachu's tail ... is all yellow and doesn't have a black tip.

Cheese itz crackers was actually Cheese it. Makes sense?

Double Stuff Oreos .... nope ... double stuf. one f.

C3PO of star wars isn't gold. Most of him is but not his right leg from the knee down. Which is silver.

Cinderellas Castle in Disneyland.  Afraid not. That's Disney world. The castle in Disneyland is sleeping beauties.

"Play it again Sam" in Casablanca ... is never uttered. The words are "Play it once, Sam. For old times' sake.". I personally can see Humphrey Bogart saying it. I can see him saying it angrily whilst holding a cigarette like a pencil. It wasn't even him saying it 😳. I'm not the only one.

Have a think where New Zealand is in relation to Australia. North East? North West. In fact South East. Its true.

Loads more out there.

Maybe they make a slight change over time. Like tye one between my mother and I last week.
People in the UK will remember Dime Bar ... as an insult by Harry Enfield. After the chocolate bar. In fact it's Daim Bar. They aren't called Dime Bars. Never have been.

Relax they were lol. They did change their name ro Daim Bar though. in ... 2005 😳😳😳  wtaf.

Roswell mystery gets repeated as a crashed UFO but it never happened that way, just a weather balloon? You left that one out.

Even cats are extremely curious of their surroundings and always want "to boldly go where no cat has gone before".

Mainly to find other life, hunt it and kill it!  Let's hope any possible aliens don't have the same instincts as cats.  I guess there have been a few movies made about something like that ...

Quote from: LDV81 on June 08, 2023, 12:31

Even cats are extremely curious of their surroundings and always want "to boldly go where no cat has gone before".

Mainly to find other life, hunt it and kill it!  Let's hope any possible aliens don't have the same instincts as cats.  I guess there have been a few movies made about something like that ...

Stephen Hawking stated the same thing. And recently Michio Kaku has said that while he believes life is unquestionably "out there", he doesn't think we should announce our presence so readily. Until we know what their purpose or intention is.

Assuming 'they' even register us in the same way we observe other life it doesn't make much sense to attack. If they exist, and if their technological abilities are as others have observed and suggest, conflict would be a counterproductive action.

The example of us being ants to another species and nothing but a curiosity is often given. But the recent experiences that many military and civilians have had is more reminiscent of them being like bees. Travelling from here to there and ocassionaly interacting for a few minutes before carrying on about their business. Much like a honey bee flies round us for a few seconds and then flies off. Only attacking if we become a perceived threat. Any crashed craft or occupants that we might recover aren't rescued like we might. Just left like a weak bee.
Grusch has alluded to this when he sates that the alleged craft they have are a result of mechanical failure, being shot down or apparently abandoned. That is much more in keeping with the behaviour of a hive. Or that it is a resource which means little financially.
We shall perhaps find out. One thing is conspicuous by its absence and that is Robert Bigelows opinion. There hasn't been one and that has its own implications.

I don't think there are any UFOs on earth. All this media hype is done to distract people from earthly problems and crises.

This time it's quite a bit more than hype. Several things have been happening and this isn't being pushed by the media.

Grusch has wrong footed the media quite badly. He's also bypassed AARO which was odd considering he worked within its predecessor ATTIP. This week a few things have come to light.

When he stepped foreward this was the culmination of events that began in April/May.

Kean Couktard and one other were thrown into the story and had to run around assessing his credentials. Many of their long standing sources within the DOD stepped forward to reassure them and vouch for Grusch in the strongest terms.

After a few feelers were put out the New York Post were supportive but wanted much more time to do much more research into Grusch. Keane was put under pressure to move things along faster than the NYP were happy with so they fell by the wayside.

Newsnation stepped foreward and did their own research with their sources and concluded he was legitimate. Due to the nature of the information they laid on security for David and filmed the interview in a hanger. 7 hours of it over 2 sessions.

It appears that although ARRO were informed and given the documents and footage, reports  and testimony, they refused to pass it to congress. They have given the reason that because the above are clearly so top-secret and shocking they are refusing because they are sure that if they do there will be significant breaches of top secret and above clearances. They don't want to risk it so they've told congress they can't have it.

This appears to be being pushed by senior elements in the DOD.

Grusch used congresses whistle blower amnesty on UAP reporting to bypass ARRO and subsequent legal issues but before he did he completed the security proformas which required him to state what he planned to make public. They allowed him to speak about what he has done because had they refused a refusal triggers congressional involvement as overseer.

Technically he's a spook. So he's used the system to win. But he's been backed up by the Inspector General of Inteligence who categorised his proof and testimony as credible and urgent after he spent 11 hours giving testimony to various intelligence panels.

Then yesturday NASA hurriedly came foreward to say that they have assessed that so far that they need access to as much data as possible that can be supplied ro them and that they will need specialised equipment and access to sensor equipment to be able to monitor UAP going foreward to be able to reach any future conclusions.

Various senators are coming foreward to state they want this investigated and there are also Senate hearings being scheduled to do this.

It looks like Gruschs claims and subsequent credibility support from within the inteligence top tier and from elsewhere have caused a bun fight for leadership of any organisation that arises from this going foreward. It seems obvious that AARO are being sidelined by the senate for some reason.

Quote from: Lowls on June 10, 2023, 03:44

Quote from: stoker2014 on June 10, 2023, 02:26

I don't think there are any UFOs on earth. All this media hype is done to distract people from earthly problems and crises.

This time it's quite a bit more than hype. Several things have been happening and this isn't being pushed by the media.

So, we can say one thing for sure, a UFO appeared on the territory of the United States. And this is good news, because. secret technologies fell into the hands of the Pentagon. It would be much worse if a UFO was found on the territory of Russia or China.
I'm also interested in weapons. What do humanoids have there - blasters, laser guns or something else abruptly. Aliens will strengthen the US army! 

Well having just read an updated timeline, mine above is rough in places and wrong in others but the conclusion appears correct. It seems that sources are falling over them selves to get the story out. It seems very orchestrated to force hands.

This is allegedly what sources have leaked and David is going to be more specific about. In bold is direct cut and paste from Michael Shellenbergers birdie noise feed where he has collated the various statements as well as information from various sources. There are other places to get this from but he's put it together in fair chunks.




"The Pentagon says there's no credible evidence of alien spacecraft, but several military and intelligence contractors with inside information say there is. What's more, these insiders say, U.S. military and intelligence agencies are refusing to provide the evidence to Congress.

Military and intelligence agencies are withholding evidence from Congress, sources say

In April, the director of the Pentagon�s new program for studying UFOs said he had seen no evidence of alien� Show more

But while Grusch has not shared written evidence in an unclassified way, he did provide classified intelligence reports, emails, and other documents to Thomas A. Monheim, the Intelligence Community Inspector General, as the law allows.

As for photographs, the Defense Department prohibited Grusch from sharing any, as the letter from the DoD below shows.

And now, multiple sources close to the matter have come forward to tell Public that Grusch�s core claims are accurate. The individuals are all either high-ranking intelligence officials, former intelligence officials, or individuals who we could verify were involved in U.S. government UAP efforts for three or more decades each. Two of them have testified, including as recently as last year, to both AARO and Congress.

The individuals said they had seen or been presented with �credible� and �verifiable� evidence that the U.S. government, and U.S. military contractors, possess at least 12 or more alien space crafts, some of which they shared with AARO, which AARO has refused to provide to Congress. The reason AARO �has not discovered any verifiable information,� they said, is because it does have the authority to verify it and may not want to verify it.

The sources all expressed anger and frustration at the Pentagon�s denial of the existence of nonhuman craft and materials. �The denials coming out of Susan Gough and the Pentagon are specifically chosen to use AARO as the source of information when Grusch has already addressed that AARO didn�t have access. And so, of course, they didn�t discover anything.�

Said another individual, �The AARO response is typical because they are not doing any investigation of the testimony they�ve been given. Kirkpatrick has not been reporting properly to the congressional committees.�

Indeed, Grusch took a whistleblower complaint to the ICIG precisely because, he says, the military and intelligence community was withholding information from AARO and from Congress. It was only after becoming a whistleblower that Congress invited Grusch to give closed-door testimony in a secure information facility.

Karl Nell, a retired Army Colonel who worked with Grusch on the UAP Task Force, which preceded the creation of AARO, told The Debrief,� as is the indisputable realization that at least some of these technologies of unknown origin derive from non-human intelligence.�

Some of the same sources who shared information with Grusch, as well as others, spoke to Public about retrieved spacecraft that they say is in the possession of the U.S. government. �I know of at least 12-15 craft,� said one person, who said they shared the information with AARO and Congress. �Every five years, we get one or two recovered for one reason or another, from either a landing or that we catch, or they just crash.�

A different contractor said, �There were at least four morphologies, different structures. Six were in good shape; six were not in good shape. There were cases where the craft landed, and the occupants left the craft unoccupied. There have been high-level people, including generals, who have placed their hand on the craft, and I would have no reason to disbelieve them.�

One source described having seen three kinds of craft, including one shaped like a triangle and another that �looked like a chopped up helicopter, with the front bubble of a Huey helicopter, with the plastic windows, or more like a deep sea submarine, with a thick piece of glass bubble shaped, and where the tail rudder should have been, it was a black, egg-shaped pancake, and instead of landing gear it had upside-down rams horns that went from the top to the bottom and rested on the ends of the horns.�

The sources said they felt compelled to speak out publicly to validate Grusch�s claims but did not want their names used. �We have non-disclosure agreements or secrecy agreements that we are supposed to take to the grave,� said one person. Two of the three sources declined to answer certain questions, even off the record, out of concern for their safety and continued access to information.

�I briefed the Senate intelligence committee, the Senate Armed Services Committee, and ARRO, and so that information is out there,� the person said. �What Grusch did was the first giant step to get the information out.�

The sources said that the Pentagon and military contractors keep the nonhuman spacecraft in different locations, including Area 51 in Nevada, and that they move the craft around to different facilities, both military bases and contractor facilities, for research.

The sources differed on whether the U.S. was able to operate them. �As far as I know, we are not able to operate them,� said one person, who said they were last briefed on the crashed craft five years ago. �There are people who say we have reverse-engineered them and are flying them. I never found any support for that. And found a lot of support for saying we can�t figure it out. If we do, it would be in some program at a higher security level.�

Others said that the U.S. has been able to fly at least one of the retrieved craft. �Some of the tech is very cutting-edge,� said a source, �and they have to travel to places like Italy, Belgium, and Indonesia to do flight testing. It�s worldwide. Some of our allies know about the programs. The clandestine places that they work out of have grown larger.�

The sources said they suspected that the Chinese and Russians had also retrieved craft, but they did not know for certain.

Lowls, was the military able to find or detain a living or dead alien or humanoid?

Historically yes there have always been rumours and statements by witnesses. Their credibility is another matter. Some good some bad. The Roswell incident being the most spoken about.

There have been 4 ish autopsy videos leaked online.

1 is certainly fake. The second is possibly fake. I posted the third which is the most convincing earlier on in this thtrad but for me it has several issues.
The traditional Y cut for autopsy isn't used.

The skin flaps behave incorrectly using human tissue as a basis. But it does behave like dolphin and whale flesh.

The tissue isn't connected to the bones of what look like ribs. It should be. It would be in earthly mammals.

He uses pliers to deal with the ribs. This isn't the case usually. It's usually heavy duty loppers or cutting tools.

Nitrol gloves. These exist but I'm not sure they did in the date claimed for the video. I'd say for certain they didn't but I need to do more checking.

The scalpel used os extremely unusual. I cant find it as an antique or modern type. But Google can be tenuous.

When he explores the abdominal cavity he brushes a small worm like structure out of the way. He brushed it back to the small intestine area (using human biology). But that would be one long piece there shouldn't be stringy bits. In a human it couldn't get to where he brushed it from because the abdominal and diaphragm muscle is in the way.

These are small things really. He does operate the tools correctly and he does one interesting quirky thing. He uses a probe to lever things out of the way to remove an organ. Looks like an human gall bladder but some have said in.the comments it's a heart. Well if it follows oceanic biology it could be one of several. no idea. But the way henused that probe was correct. Its a subtle action but unless you'd seen it before you wouldn't miss it if he didn't do it. It's an unnecessary action for a fake film so unless you do it professionally and he did it without thinking. I only caught it because I thought he was using a digital thermometer ro gauge temperature of a liver like organ which is how we assess time of death. But then I realised they didn't have them then if the film age uis correct which I doubt.

The forth was on a small skeleton in a private collection. There is a whole documentary on that.

There is the alien that was killed by some Mexicans. Set on fire and tortured. That's online with I believe photos. It's been a while.

Famously we have:

https://youtu.be/xpRleGX2Gxg I think fake but pffff lol who knows these days.

Years ago there was a survivor of Roswell that was leaked. They held it at some secret base and gave it a nick name. It's been years so I can't remember what they called it. It was an acronym like ALF or CHAD. Anyway they allegedly had that alive for years.

Then there is the undertakers son from Roswell. His testimony is the most compelling and is still online. Not sure of this was Stanon Freidmans interview with him. Anyway this isntthe only witnesses testimony out there. It's the only one regarding the Roswell bodies left I think. There used to be one from the USAF who accounpanied the bodies to Right Patternson. He couldn't resist looking in the crate. Favid Grusch is gonna be much more specific and he alludes to Roswell but in the clips he oddly doesn't name it directly.

anyway - undertakers son. Enjoy.
https://youtu.be/_DA-g94Ro1I

also I forgot James Fox has just done a film regarding an Alien downnin Brazil. You can hear him speak about it on Spotify on the Joe Rogan podcast series. He had heard about it previously but passed it off as fake. That was until Stepehen Speilberg suggested he look into that seriously. And Speilberg was friends with Blue Book scientific advisor Allen Hynek. So when SS suggested he look into that he did. Quite interesting.

For all the sightings and different types of crafts and different types of aliens, they are already here in numbers. "There's like an 8-foot person beside it and another one is inside and it has big eyes and it's looking at us�and it's still there," They don't know how to fly good there are so many crashes. They are little green men or giants, or reptiles. One study says there are 36 different kinds of aliens visiting us. We are not alone we are a major destination if you accept any of the wild speculation.

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It's like ... its like, it's 8 foot tall ... maybe 9. I don't know could be 10. Theres one inside and theres one like beside it. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Las Vegas  May 2023. And all over the news now. Well a blue green light was seen on the policeman's body worn and another policeman saw it too with other witnesses along with them.

What did they see? Well it's a very lurid blue green. A friend took photos of us with a digital camera on a beach cookout. In every photo the flames are only electric blue. They weren't to the eye. Was very wierd but obviously something to do with the autoballance. So that colour may be wrong.

George Knapp has spoken to the people who called the police over the phone several times and arranged a visit to get statements and they are extremely keen to give them. And each time they go to their house to take those statements they won't answer the door. The yard the craft landed in has tyre marks in the gravel and after looking at I presume either drone footage or satellite you can see a pronounced circular depression over the tyre marks. Since then people have checked their ringbdoorbell footage. There is a large booming sound heard. So far it all point to meteor.
But there is that panicky 911 call about the large aliens inside and one outside the craft. After speaking on the phone and asked why they didn't grab their phone and film it. "We tried. But that thing locked eyes with me and I was frozen to the spot. I couldn't move"
They do have a security camera pointing over the yard because he has expensive diggers in there which they claim one of the aliens climbed onto and tried to operate. George has asked to get a copy of what it recorded. They claim for two minutes the camera blipped out.

Whether that is true or whether they were enjoying some herbal substances it's unlikely it will come to light. But thankfully there is always legitimate footage we can rely on.

https://youtu.be/tryzoCgH7bo from 15 years ago although it's been re-imagined half way through the first part is what originally went online.

If alien technology allows travel over light years of space and exhibits 'impossible' moves in our atmosphere, why are there so many crashes?

If alien technology allows travel over light years of space and exhibits 'impossible' moves in our atmosphere, why are there so many crashes?

If the interdimensional hypothesis is true, or the visitors come from another universe in the multiverse, some physical constants may be different here than in their universe / reality. If that's the case, even very advanced craft will have a bumpy ride.

A Porsche, or a Ferrari are pretty advanced too and they were designed for roads, and yet they do crash on roads, right?

There are also hypotheses that some of the crashes are intentional, to give humans technology and influence the Earth's development, without that influence being widely known. The intentions may be benevolent or malevolent, and there may be various factions involved. If they have mastered time travel, stuff might get bats#it crazy... You could even imagine some humans from a distant future trying to manipulate the timeline or create a new one.

One study says there are 36 different kinds of aliens visiting us. We are not alone we are a major destination if you accept any of the wild speculation.

They're probably coming for the beaches.  No wonder AirBnB is doing so well these days!

There are also hypotheses that some of the crashes are intentional, to give humans technology and influence the Earth's development, without that influence being widely known.

They would never do that - it goes against the Prime Directive.

Quote from: Big Toe on June 08, 2023, 18:11

Bernado Kastrup is a philosopher and not a physicist and therefor cannot to be expected to really understand quantum mechanics.

For what it's worth, Bernardo Kastrup worked at CERN. He literally helped to build technology for the Large Hadron Collider. That was his first job. He built technology for the world's top physicists when he was fresh out of university. I would assume he knows a thing or two about quantum physics. At least, much more than a "regular" philosopher. He only turned to philosophy later in life.

He seems to have worked as a kind of technician there. This does not necessarily mean that he has a deeper understanding of the physics involved.

Regarding quantum mechanics, it is possibly that he thinks that he understands it, however, that would mean that he does not understand it, as someone recently made me aware of:

"If you think you understand quantum mechanics, you don�t understand quantum mechanics." � Richard P. Feynman, Nobel Prize in Physics

And if he does not think he understands quantum mechanics, then that would raise the questions why he feels he can argue about them with a physicist who has worked in the area.