Author Topic: Terrorist attack in Paris 140 dead (Read 46318 times)

PixelBytes · « **Reply #25 on:** November 14, 2015, 17:38 »

I don't know what is the truth of all the politics involve, but this tragidy makes me very sad, and my thoughts and prayers go to the French people for the terrible losses they are suffering.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #26 on:** November 14, 2015, 17:57 »

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00

Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

etudiante_rapide · « **Reply #27 on:** November 14, 2015, 18:05 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

gee, so IS has gone out of microstock and into this sort of business, huh?

seriously, i don't think it is even worth discussing this, as that is what these sorts thrive on...
the more publicity they get, the most it perpetuates their "control".
other than like pbytes say, condolence to the french public affected,
the rest is just plain blatant politics.
it's just one sect using another sect as a scapegoat to push the arms deal further ahead.
no one wins except those who supply the arms. and you can bet, as history taught us,
the same people who supply the arms are the same people who claim to come out to save the world.

r2d2 · « **Reply #28 on:** November 14, 2015, 18:05 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

And one from them was from france. So what?
Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #29 on:** November 14, 2015, 18:29 »

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 18:05

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

And one from them was from france. So what?
Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

You seem to be missing the point that they are hiding as refugees in the crowd. Denying in wont make it true.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #30 on:** November 14, 2015, 18:50 »

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 18:05

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

And one from them was from france. So what?
Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

I'm just stating a fact. You said someone was talking nonsense, I'm backing him up. I don't want to discuss the refugee crisis in detail, but there's nothing wrong with giving some background information.

However, I think facts like these becomes relevant when it turns out the protection of our European borders is insufficient. Especially when ISIS is apparently using the crisis as a means to infiltrate into Europe and carry out attacks on European soil.

ACS · « **Reply #31 on:** November 14, 2015, 18:54 »

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Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

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ShadySue · « **Reply #32 on:** November 14, 2015, 18:55 »

The perpetrators of 9/11 didn't need a refugee crisis, nor did the Lockerbie bomber/s, nor have many other terrorists over the years.
They will get in any which way; if that fails they'll will radicalise a country's own citizens.
Hitler showed us how easy it is to indoctrinate and mobilise previously very reasonable people, by a potent mixture of persuasion and coercion.

fritz · « **Reply #33 on:** November 14, 2015, 20:04 »

Yesterday US president had speech about France and this must be the most hypocritical speech ever heard! After all, recently, the United States has attacked or invaded six countries -- Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya using ground troops or manned aircraft and Pakistan, Yemen, and Somalia using unpiloted drone aircraft dropping bombs. ... Sadly Eu countries are just US satellites trying to please the Obama administration which is turning hypocrisy and double standards into an art form!
I'm not anti-american, I'm just talking about hypocritical is soft word for US foreign policy which is the ROOT of most problems in the world.
I don't like politics, at the end its all a matter of money(American money).

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #34 on:** November 14, 2015, 21:19 »

Nice photo fritz who are those people? When were they in power? Who's been in the White House for the last two terms? Who ran the country for the 8 years before that, 1993 - 2001? 9/11 was 2001 remember, when Clin-toon was in power.? Doesn't Obama count or is he just a puppet until the next election?

ShadySue · « **Reply #35 on:** November 14, 2015, 22:05 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 14, 2015, 21:19

9/11 was 2001 remember, when Clin-toon was in power.?

POI: GWBush was US president at the time of 9/11.

PeterChigmaroff · « **Reply #36 on:** November 15, 2015, 00:21 »

The refugee crisis is just a vehicle. It's a bus for these callous murderers. You can stop the buses from running, but it isn't the only transport to get into whichever country they want. It's convenient. But don't think for second that if you cut off all immigration that there are no other means of access.

DallasP · « **Reply #37 on:** November 15, 2015, 00:48 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 14, 2015, 17:16

They were no more refugees - or Muslims - than I'm a fish if I swim in the sea.

So-called IS has seen the easy way to panic receiving countries by having false refugees staging attacks, to make it more difficult for people to escape from their strongholds.

What I would like to know (but I wouldn't like endless speculation and theories) is where all their money is coming from, and indeed from where they get their weapons. Many of our countries have dirty hands in the arms trade.

Dirty hands indeed.

r2d2 · « **Reply #38 on:** November 15, 2015, 02:43 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 14, 2015, 18:29

Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 18:05
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

And one from them was from france. So what?
Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

You seem to be missing the point that they are hiding as refugees in the crowd. Denying in wont make it true.

I not denying that fact. But do you thinking when we close the border for refugees the terrorists dont come in?
We can stop all immigration and the terror will find another way. We have to make better politics or to keep them homelands save. Thats kills terror. We have to fight the cause not the symptomes.

topol · « **Reply #39 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:15 »

Quote from: r2d2 on November 15, 2015, 02:43

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 14, 2015, 18:29
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 18:05
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

And one from them was from france. So what?
Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

You seem to be missing the point that they are hiding as refugees in the crowd. Denying in wont make it true.

I not denying that fact. But do you thinking when we close the border for refugees the terrorists dont come in?
We can stop all immigration and the terror will find another way. We have to make better politics or to keep them homelands save. Thats kills terror. We have to fight the cause not the symptomes.

Yes, there always was a terrorist threat looming... and your solution seems to be making the entry for as many terrorists as possible, as easy possible by letting huge crowds people march through country borders basically unchecked. Bravoooo...

topol · « **Reply #40 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:29 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 13, 2015, 20:21

The downside of globalization is that all kinds of local conflicts are now being carried across the globe.

aaahh... c'mon, that's nonsense. Europe or any other developed area could easily close itself down and only let trade / people in who are thoroughly checked / screened. It wouldn't even halt tourism that much if done properly. The only reason we are such an easy target is because the leadership is severely corrupt, easily bought & payed to do things that wrecks the average person's life, if it won't mess theirs up. Merkel's completely undemocratic, tyrannical forcing of 100's of thousands of migrants on the German people is the prime example right now. It's complete brainless nonsense, it's against the interest of the country and Europe except for a very few selected people.

r2d2 · « **Reply #41 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:47 »

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 04:15

Quote from: r2d2 on November 15, 2015, 02:43
Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 14, 2015, 18:29
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 18:05
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

And one from them was from france. So what?
Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

You seem to be missing the point that they are hiding as refugees in the crowd. Denying in wont make it true.

I not denying that fact. But do you thinking when we close the border for refugees the terrorists dont come in?
We can stop all immigration and the terror will find another way. We have to make better politics or to keep them homelands save. Thats kills terror. We have to fight the cause not the symptomes.

Yes, there always was a terrorist threat looming... and your solution seems to be making the entry for as many terrorists as possible, as easy possible by letting huge crowds people march through country borders basically unchecked. Bravoooo...

The two are registred and does it helped?
What do you want to do with terrorists that have a france passport closing borders ?

topol · « **Reply #42 on:** November 15, 2015, 05:10 »

Quote from: r2d2 on November 15, 2015, 04:47

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 04:15
Quote from: r2d2 on November 15, 2015, 02:43
Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 14, 2015, 18:29
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 18:05
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 14, 2015, 17:57
Quote from: r2d2 on November 14, 2015, 17:00
Quote from: Firewall on November 14, 2015, 16:52
Quote from: Microstockphoto on November 14, 2015, 16:34
They were in no way related to refugees.

2 of them were registered as such

Syriens that escaped from IS do attacks in the name of IS?
Please stop talking nonsense.

You don't seem to understand. At least two of the perpetrators were posing as refugees in order to gain access to Europe, but they were in fact IS fighters. It's a fact. They came in by boat via Greece and were actually registered there as refugee.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/11/14/us-france-shooting-greece-idUSKCN0T312W20151114#ZWXWb3Yt8sAkXiqm.97

And one from them was from france. So what?
Its no refugee issue its an terrorism issue.

You seem to be missing the point that they are hiding as refugees in the crowd. Denying in wont make it true.

I not denying that fact. But do you thinking when we close the border for refugees the terrorists dont come in?
We can stop all immigration and the terror will find another way. We have to make better politics or to keep them homelands save. Thats kills terror. We have to fight the cause not the symptomes.

Yes, there always was a terrorist threat looming... and your solution seems to be making the entry for as many terrorists as possible, as easy possible by letting huge crowds people march through country borders basically unchecked. Bravoooo...

The two are registred and does it helped?
What do you want to do with terrorists that have a france passport closing borders ?

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

cobalt · « **Reply #43 on:** November 15, 2015, 05:27 »

The polarization is also drawing out aggressive right wing extremists. In my city our new mayor was stabbed one day before her election. It will be weeks before she can get to work. His justification: he wanted to protect the children of Cologne from Syrian refugees.

He is a german citizen, unemployed, never showed up on the police radar before, although he joined a neonazi group when he was younger.

He just followed the news and decided to take a kitchen knife and attack a politician and several people around her at an open food market not far from me.

I live in one of the most tolerant cities of Germany, it was completly unexpected.

How do you prevent attacks like this?

And then you have terrorist organization who have become very good at radicalising local people over the internet and encourage people to just attack. Lone wolf attacks without being part of an official organisation.

How do they convince young women to leave their families and go to Syria to become "wives" for the soldiers?

Or all the others leaving Europe to go and die and commit horrible murders like jihadi john.

However, sects that brainwash people are nothing new. What is new is how professionally this is organized and how far this can reach via the internet and global travel.

I believe in following the money trail. All that oil money from the oil fields in irak, money from drugs in Afghanistan and putting extreme pressure, or boycotts on Saudi Arabia until they stamp out the radicals in their country. I absolutely don´t understand why such an extreme dictatorship is being considered an "ally".

But most of all, we cannot just go back to living and worrying only about our own countries, globalisation and the internet networks mean we are truly one single planet, borders and countries are becoming irrelevant.

We need to embrace the global reality, we can´t turn the time back.

Conflicts, climate change etc...are no longer local, they affect us everywhere.

Eta: I read a lot of comments on the New YorkTimes and social networks demanding a quick military solution. "Bomb them back into the stone age / use nuclear bombs"

However this will kill thousands of civilians and among the survivors you create thousands of new terrorists. While the masterminds will just slip away like water and move on to the next country. There is no simple, quick solution.

We also have to engage in nation building and bringing jobs to far away places, just to protect ourselves, even if this is crazy. Bringing education and knowledge to far away places, via the internet,student exchange etc...it is a very slow process.

The world needs good thinkers and very clever diplomacy, not more war machine. People who can envision peace for generations, not short drama for their reelection campaign. Logic instead of emotions.

Tactical military strikes to take out military stromgholds, but not mass bombardement or indiscriminate sanctions that withold medication etc...all those children that died in irak because of extreme sanctions and Madeleine Albright then saying on TV "they died for a good cause".

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #44 on:** November 15, 2015, 06:48 »

Quote from: topol on November 15, 2015, 05:10

I'm sorry, what are talking about? That "registration" wasn't even a quarter of a measure, it was sad joke. The doors to Europe were kicked open from the inside in the most extreme way possible. Actually it was so extreme they were rushing to transport people in before there was time screen them. Just complete lunacy.

Let's not jump with conclusions, 2 passports could be stolen too....who knows...
Maybe those 2 were not terrorists at the time they entered Greece so additional screening would be pointless (not to mention impossible, as Lesbos island for sure doesn't have capacity for it!!!). But, once treated how they were treated they became an easy targets for ISIS. Without hope and money, vulnerable and weak in every sense, many disappointed in life, Europe and there we go... offered money to blown themselves up and they just did it.

Refugees are escaping the same (actually much worse) that we just saw in Paris.

cobalt · « **Reply #45 on:** November 15, 2015, 07:34 »

In Norway Brevik was a lonely crazy young man who used right wing extremists fake reasons to kill students.

Mostly it is lonely young men that can be radicalised and either out of themselves or with a few friends commit horrible things. For me this includes the school shootings etc...

Frustrated, lonely, disconnected from the world around them. Societies with high unemployment and low propspects for a good future have in proportion many more than countries with good quality life. But we still have enough frustrated young men that can be radicalised by extremists radical ideologies or religions.

So how do you reach out to them before they kill?

Most of the attackers in France where known to the French authorities and it was clear they had the potential to kill. But you cannot simply lock them up...just in case...there are too many people and in a democratic country you can't do this.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #46 on:** November 15, 2015, 08:20 »

Quote from: cobalt on November 15, 2015, 07:34

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Most of the attackers in France where known to the French authorities and it was clear they had the potential to kill. But you cannot simply lock them up...just in case...there are too many people and in a democratic country you can't do this.

French intelligence service FAILED badly!

Firewall · « **Reply #47 on:** November 15, 2015, 10:26 »

So nobody cares about the bombings in Beirut 1 day earlier huh?

gcrook · « **Reply #48 on:** November 15, 2015, 11:08 »

This thread taught me that radical islam fundamentalists who are lonely and sad men as well risked their lives in the Mediterranean sea just so they can throw it away in Paris for money offered that they will never see anyway.
Sounds right.
If thats the manner in which we deal with these things as westerners then to hell with Europe
and to hell with the west.
Which are the only certainties in our present.
And not because of Islam...

cobalt · « **Reply #49 on:** November 15, 2015, 11:12 »

Of course, but attacks in Beirut, Damascus or Bagdad are not unexpected. The whole region is an unstable civil war zone.

Paris,London and New York are not known to be at war, an attack there is something new.

Moreover these are truly global cities probably visited by over a billion people have once in their life visited them, studied or worked there.

They are places millions of people around the world dream to move to, places we believe you can live safely and in peace.

More people around the world have some kind of emotional connection to Paris, than to Damascus or large cities in Africa that also have many attacks and violence.

The terrorists know this, an attack there will get them more attention and a lot more money from their supporters than an attack in Beirut.

If we do get monthly attacks in France, it won´t be front page news anymore. That is just the way media works.

Even in the Middle East many people are more shocked about attacks in Paris or London than at home. Especially, if they have sent their children to school or to study there, hoping they have sent them to a safe place.

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