Author Topic: Stop The Hate - VOTE! (Read 43119 times)

RAW · « **on:** November 06, 2018, 07:42 »

Stop the HATE! - Get out and VOTE!

dpimborough · « **Reply #1 on:** November 06, 2018, 09:16 »

Vote? For who?

ShadySue · « **Reply #2 on:** November 06, 2018, 09:20 »

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 06, 2018, 09:16

Vote? For who?

I think he's talking to USians, who have some sort of 'mid-term' vote today AIUI.

cthoman · « **Reply #3 on:** November 06, 2018, 10:15 »

I voted weeks ago. I don't know why everybody is still campaigning.

dpimborough · « **Reply #4 on:** November 06, 2018, 10:26 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2018, 09:20

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 06, 2018, 09:16
Vote? For who?
I think he's talking to USians, who have some sort of 'mid-term' vote today AIUI.

It was a rhetorical question as both the Democrats and GOP seem as insane as each other at the moment

I like that term USians I must remember that

ShadySue · « **Reply #5 on:** November 06, 2018, 15:07 »

Voter suppression continues, I see.

jjneff · « **Reply #6 on:** November 06, 2018, 17:00 »

I am a white male and told I could not vote as they have no record of me, After much arguing they found me :-)

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #7 on:** November 06, 2018, 21:13 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2018, 15:07

Voter suppression continues, I see.

You believe the lies

cthoman · « **Reply #8 on:** November 06, 2018, 22:24 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 06, 2018, 21:13

Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2018, 15:07
Voter suppression continues, I see.

You believe the lies

Voter suppression laws are very real and very observable. It's hard to tell how much they affect the outcome of any election, but there are definitely targeted laws that affect specific groups of voters.

derek · « **Reply #9 on:** November 07, 2018, 03:04 »

Not a fan of Trump and absolutely NOT Hillary but if I was american I would vote Republican! the leftie/libs are as dizzy as a bunch of junkies!

ShadySue · « **Reply #10 on:** November 07, 2018, 04:29 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 06, 2018, 21:13

Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2018, 15:07
Voter suppression continues, I see.

You believe the lies

So you say that e.g. this isn't true:
https://tinyurl.com/yafwaofh

cathyslife · « **Reply #11 on:** November 07, 2018, 07:12 »

Trumpeteers will say this isn’t true either: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/11/how-voter-suppression-actually-works/575035/?utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_source=facebook&utm_term=2018-11-06T18%3A48%3A07&utm_medium=social&utm_content=edit-promo&fbclid=IwAR3Rlo-ZOw69NmGqqPuX7fwm5pJUKqEoOl7KZdTxmUp4tGvY-W96P6yREcA

cthoman · « **Reply #12 on:** November 07, 2018, 09:51 »

Quote from: derek on November 07, 2018, 03:04

Not a fan of Trump and absolutely NOT Hillary but if I was american I would vote Republican! the leftie/libs are as dizzy as a bunch of junkies!

LOL. Are you sure you aren't American? That sounds like how we vote.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #13 on:** November 07, 2018, 10:17 »

If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

dpimborough · « **Reply #14 on:** November 07, 2018, 10:39 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 10:17

If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats

YadaYadaYada · « **Reply #15 on:** November 07, 2018, 13:05 »

Quote from: ShadySue on November 07, 2018, 04:29

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 06, 2018, 21:13
Quote from: ShadySue on November 06, 2018, 15:07
Voter suppression continues, I see.

You believe the lies
So you say that e.g. this isn't true:
https://tinyurl.com/yafwaofh

You mean people with no address or ID should be able to vote? How do you register to vote where you are? No ID and no address required. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a lower court ruling that essentially protects the address requirement.

The GA law, Under HB 268, voters could still cast a ballot in an election as long as they registered in time within the 26-month period, even if they were flagged by the system. They would need to provide identification information to correct the discrepancy at the polls before voting, or they could cast a provisional ballot and provide the information to election officials afterward. If the registration information doesn't match they can correct at the polls. Registration information needs to match driver’s license, state ID card or Social Security records. That's called unfair or targeting, asking that the persons ID matches the voter registration?

Good news, the democrats win seats will mean Trump is done. He's the reason why so many people got out to vote against him, his rants and his lies. If the republicans have any hope for 2020 Trump won't be on the ballot. A win for all America.

cthoman · « **Reply #16 on:** November 07, 2018, 13:36 »

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 07, 2018, 13:05

You mean people with no address or ID should be able to vote? How do you register to vote where you are? No ID and no address required. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a lower court ruling that essentially protects the address requirement.

If you live on a reservation that doesn't necessarily have street addresses, then registering to vote and a PO Box to mail your ballot to should work just fine. You don't need a picture ID to vote (especially since you really shouldn't even have to vote in person). All-Mail elections seem like a much simpler way to go. No hacking and no maintenance to garbage polling machines.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #17 on:** November 07, 2018, 14:14 »

Quote from: cthoman on November 07, 2018, 13:36

Quote from: YadaYadaYada on November 07, 2018, 13:05

You mean people with no address or ID should be able to vote? How do you register to vote where you are? No ID and no address required. The U.S. Supreme Court affirmed a lower court ruling that essentially protects the address requirement.

If you live on a reservation that doesn't necessarily have street addresses, then registering to vote and a PO Box to mail your ballot to should work just fine. You don't need a picture ID to vote (especially since you really shouldn't even have to vote in person). All-Mail elections seem like a much simpler way to go. No hacking and no maintenance to garbage polling machines.

Plus in the past, the tribal people have vouched for their own and allowed them to register. The US has a uniform address regulation, so fire and safety can find places in the case of emergency services, this is only an issue on tribal lands, where some are run in a friendly social setting, without numbers or street names.

And yes you are correct, a PO box (or the tribal town hall address also) would be acceptable and legal.

Sometimes I think people look for things to be wrong and like to complain, instead of working within the system using easy and available solutions.

All mail ballots, I'd be against. Sorry but mail gets lost or the famous "stuck in equipment" excuse. Fraud? I really like the in person event going to cast my vote locally. I walk in, give my name, they look at the ID, (two people have registers) hand me a slip for a ballot. I walk about a foot, hand the person the slip, someone else hands me a ballot. Four people sitting at tables, watching each other, dual entry, no monkey business.

I'm rural, but when I was in the city, there would be poll watchers from both parties, making sure that anyone who needed any assistance, had an advocate there. Also to monitor the voting for anything improper.

It's all kind of fun to watch.

msg2018 · « **Reply #18 on:** November 07, 2018, 14:17 »

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 07, 2018, 10:39

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 10:17
If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

dpimborough · « **Reply #19 on:** November 07, 2018, 14:27 »

Quote from: msg2018 on November 07, 2018, 14:17

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 07, 2018, 10:39
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 10:17
If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

How little you understand how the EU works and yet you live there

The EU President as you called him is in fact the head of the EU commision

"Appointed by: national leaders (heads of state or government of EU countries), with the approval of the European Parliament." so no popular mandate there whatsoever.

Juncker is a technocrat who really should not have left in charge of things after the first time he appeared drunk on stage

As to the POTUS well last I checked he was voted in i.e. elected

Noedelhap · « **Reply #20 on:** November 07, 2018, 14:28 »

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 07, 2018, 10:39

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 10:17
If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats

Luckily, we're still autonomous, but EU's increasing regulations and desire for power is why I vote for a party that isn't pro-EU.

dpimborough · « **Reply #21 on:** November 07, 2018, 14:29 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 14:28

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 07, 2018, 10:39
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 10:17
If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats

Luckily, we're still autonomous, but EU's increasing regulations and desire for power is why I vote for a party that isn't pro-EU.

Sadly its the Germans who run the EU which is their "historic destiny"

msg2018 · « **Reply #22 on:** November 07, 2018, 14:35 »

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 07, 2018, 14:27

Quote from: msg2018 on November 07, 2018, 14:17
Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 07, 2018, 10:39
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 10:17
If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

How little you understand how the EU works and yet you live there

The EU President as you called him is in fact the head of the EU commision

"Appointed by: national leaders (heads of state or government of EU countries), with the approval of the European Parliament." so no popular mandate there whatsoever.

Juncker is a technocrat who really should not have left in charge of things after the first time he appeared drunk on stage

As to the POTUS well last I checked he was voted in i.e. elected

You're right that there isn't a EU President. In fact, there are three (Council, Commission and Parliament), although the latter is mainly ceremonial.

Juncker is/was not drunk, he had a major road accident which still impacts his health.

The POTUS was voted in but not by you. By the Electors. In fact, had he been elected directly, he wouldn't be President, since he didn't get the majority of votes. Nothing wrong with that: these are the rules, and electoral colleges exist in many countries.

Every European country has the right to vote and influence EU policies. So we are not ruled by technocrats, we are ruled by our politicians, which in the end we chose. That's why I vote for parties that are pro-EU: so we can have a voice in Europe.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #23 on:** November 08, 2018, 09:36 »

Quote from: msg2018 on November 07, 2018, 14:17

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on November 07, 2018, 10:39
Quote from: Noedelhap on November 07, 2018, 10:17
If I was American I certainly wouldn't vote Republican, but I also have doubts about the Democratic party. Luckily in the Netherlands we don't have a two-party system, but various political parties to choose from.

In the Netherlands you are ruled by Jean Claude Juncker and his unelected technocrats

In the USA you are ruled by your unelected POTUS. Remember, you don't vote for the President, you elect your Electors.

Just like we Europeans don't vote for the President of the EU, but we elect the EU Parliament which elects the President (who - by the way - has way less power that the POTUS, unfortunately).

This is how democracy works on both sides of the pond.

You skimmed over the details while nit picking electors, we voted popular vote for what the electors are supposed to vote.

We are not ruled by the President in the USA. With checks and balances, each of the three branches of government can limit the powers of the others. Legislative, Legal - the Supreme Court and The President. POTUS has much less power than some people imagine and can be overruled by the Legislative or the Legal branches. The President does NOT make laws, Legislative does, of course the President can issue Executive Orders. Which can be ruled illegal or improper by the legal branch.

We are ruled by the three branches of the government.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #24 on:** November 08, 2018, 11:48 »

The White House just shared doctored video of the Acosta incident that makes him look more aggressive. 2018 meets 1984.

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Author Topic: Stop The Hate - VOTE! (Read 43119 times)

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