Author Topic: Russian photographers should be banned! (Read 32714 times)

Mimi the Cat · « **Reply #100 on:** March 08, 2022, 01:00 »

Quote from: komikmiha on March 06, 2022, 15:53

Quote from: everest on March 06, 2022, 12:08
Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.

Quote from: komikmiha on March 06, 2022, 11:45
Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?

Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?

Nobody will beat Russia? Except Putin and his mafia gangster chums have Russians under their thumb

Just like the old soviet days

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #101 on:** March 08, 2022, 03:23 »

Read this this morning:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/60589965

Most of the fake stuff is so transparent, same with all the Q nonsense. Is it generally older people who didn't grow up with the internet who are so credulous or are people generally just a lot dumber than I gave them credit for?

Firn · « **Reply #102 on:** March 08, 2022, 04:07 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 08, 2022, 03:23

Is it generally older people who didn't grow up with the internet who are so credulous or are people generally just a lot dumber than I gave them credit for?

Sadly no. I've read comments like "Now that the Corona Virus didn't work to supress us they are making up a war" on the internet right when the war started. I was kind of expecting it. Some people have just fallen way too deep into the conspiracy hole. They aren't old and they have plenty of access to the internet. They just use it to browse all the wrong shady places.

Lizard · « **Reply #103 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:11 »

Quote from: everest on March 06, 2022, 09:27

In Ukrania there are neonazis, in Germany there are neo-* , in Russia there are neo-*, in United States there are neo-*.

Sure, but the problem starts when they get brigades officially incorporated into the national guard ( Azov brigade ) and they become part of the official system and authority.

This doesn't have a precedent in the modern world. If you know about one please educate me.

And you have a psycho leader on other side so you bring all the world in existential danger by arming those extremists.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #104 on:** March 08, 2022, 10:57 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 10:11

This doesn't have a precedent in the modern world. If you know about one please educate me.

You obviously need to be educated. You have the most obvious precedent in front of your nose, but you refuse to see it.

The whole Putin regime is a fascist regime.

His fascist army invaded an independent country after they brainwashed a very large majority of the Russian society (+ you) into believing that they are fighting fascists.
That pseudo-swastika symbol they adopted is pure irony.

Lizard · « **Reply #105 on:** March 08, 2022, 12:29 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 10:57

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 10:11
This doesn't have a precedent in the modern world. If you know about one please educate me.

You obviously need to be educated. You have the most obvious precedent in front of your nose, but you refuse to see it.

The whole Putin regime is a fascist regime.

His fascist army invaded an independent country after they brainwashed a very large majority of the Russian society (+ you) into believing that they are fighting fascists.
That pseudo-swastika symbol they adopted is pure irony.

Sure, some are really ironic...the kids are just having fun and an idiot like me thinks it can be serious when the go and provoke a psycho like Putin with nuclear missiles.

Luckily we have you to educate us how they use it for a good lough and irony or they are into ancient Buddhism and use their symbols.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #106 on:** March 08, 2022, 13:10 »

Extremists are everywhere.

I can give you US examples from Charlotsville, from the Capitol insurrection, and more.
It doesn't mean that the USA is a fascist regime. We always had a strong opposition, private companies can censor the president, individuals can sue the government and win.

However, Putin's regime is checking ALL fascism boxes.
Russia is today 100% a fascist state. There is zero doubt about it.

You asked for an example and you got it. Consider yourself educated.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #107 on:** March 08, 2022, 13:10 »

https://khpg.org/en/1608809502
KHPG is one of the oldest Ukrainian human rights organizations and partners with Amnesty etc.
Plus plenty of other articles on that site. To show the claim is ridiculous coming from Russia.

You want me to post photos of American NeoNazis militias? or from other Eastern European countries, almost all of which also have Neo *? How about photos of US members of congress attending white nationalist meetings or conventions? How many photos do you want? Thousands? I can dig up thousands if you like.

I can even find footage of an American president claiming to not know who David Duke is to avoid having to denounce him. Does that mean all Americans or Eastern Europeans are *? Does it mean the whole population deserves to be bombed or made refugees because of a minority of people. This is so childish.

EDIT: Don’t want to get derailed by this stuff too much. But your photos are again very dubious. Only 2 show very small groups of Neo * (a handful) and one other shows a small group of NeoNazis as part of a much larger crowd of marchers. The larger march may or may not have anything to do with the far right in general (zero context, it could be an anti EU march or anti Russian march for example; the N*zis are ultra-nationalists against both, other people could be marching too).
The large groups with fists on chest don’t have any indication they are anything to do with extremism. The soldiers don’t have anything on them to indicate they are Azov battalion or similar. The banners are just the coat of arms of the Ukraine. The fist to chest salute is a very common Russian/ Ukrainian gesture Бить себя кулаком в грудь used when giving an oath or similar. Like the hand on heart in the US.
I am not saying that you couldn't find other photos (as I have said Ukraine does have a NeoNazi problem), I'm just saying maybe be a bit more careful what you believe or if you can verify please cite your sources.

Lizard · « **Reply #108 on:** March 08, 2022, 13:17 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 13:10

Extremists are everywhere.

I can give you US examples from Charlotsville, from the Capitol insurection and more.
It doesn't mean that the USA is a fascist regime. We always had a strong opposition, private companies can censor the president, individuals can sue the government and win.

However, Putin's regime is checking ALL fascism boxes.
Russia is today 100% a fascist state. There is zero doubt about it.

You asked for an example and you got it. Consider yourself educated.

Which example ? Which country has nazi wings battalions as part of their national army wearing nazi symbols on their uniforms on national paycheck?

Answer please... no crap and around around...which country ?

Zero Talent · « **Reply #109 on:** March 08, 2022, 13:18 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 13:17

Which example ?

Russia. Russia is a fascist state. 100%

Lizard · « **Reply #110 on:** March 08, 2022, 13:20 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on March 08, 2022, 13:10

https://khpg.org/en/1608809502
KHPG is one of the oldest Ukrainian human rights organizations and partners with Amnesty etc.
Plus plenty of other articles on that site. To show the claim is ridiculous coming from Russia.

You want me to post photos of American NeoNazis militias? or from other Eastern European countries, almost all of which also have Neo *? How about photos of US members of congress attending white nationalist meetings or conventions? How many photos do you want? Thousands? I can dig up thousands if you like.

Yes, the ones that are part of official US army forces on national payroll.

Show me one , just ONE, US soldier with nazi symbol on him standing in front of his superior.

I'm waiting...

Lizard · « **Reply #111 on:** March 08, 2022, 13:23 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 13:18

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 13:17

Which example ?

Russia. Russia is a fascist state.

Nice spin. Yes they are, together with other invaders on sovereign countries killing civilians and creating refugees.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #112 on:** March 08, 2022, 13:39 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 13:23

Nice spin. Yes they are, together with other invader on sovereign countries.

No spin. You asked for an example and you got it. You're welcome.

You may also want to educate yourself on what fascism is.

FYI, fighting wars is not a sufficient reason to call a regime fascist. It may not even be a necessary reason. A regime can be fascist without any involvement in wars.

These are the main boxes checked by all fascist regimes:
- Authoritarian leader
- Suppression of the opposition
- Submission of the economy to the will of the government.
- Submission of the justice system to the will of the government.
- Suppression of the free press and free speech
- Aggressive nationalist and cult of personality propaganda.

In other words, there is little difference between communism and fascism. The only difference is their position on the private property
The communists are confiscating it, while the fascists are tolerating it, as long as the owner is executing the orders of the fascist government.

Russia checks ALL boxes. We can add the aggression of several sovereign nations to it if you want.

Russia simply switched from communism to fascism.

Lizard · « **Reply #113 on:** March 08, 2022, 14:04 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 13:39

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 13:23
Nice spin. Yes they are, together with other invader on sovereign countries.

No spin. You asked for an example and you got it. You're welcome.

You may also want to educate yourself on what fascism is.

FYI, fighting wars is not a sufficient reason to call a regime fascist. It may not even be a necessary reason. A regime can be fascist without any involvment in wars.

These are the main boxes checked by all fascist regimes:
- Authoritarian leader
- Supression of the oposition
- Submission of the ecomomy to the will of the government.
- Submission of the justice system to the will of the government.
- Suppresion of the free press and free speech
- Aggresive nationalist and cult of personality propaganda.

In other words, there is little difference between communism and fascism. The only difference is their position on the private property
The communists are confiscating it, while the fascists are tolerating it, as long as the owner is executing the orders of the fascist government.

Russia checks ALL boxes. We can add the aggression of several sovereign nations to it, if you want.

Russia simply switched from communism to fascism.

Once again, you are trying to implement I dont agree on that. I fully agree.

The problem is that is that you and half of the world are so focused on them that you fail to realize how many boxes some other countries check with yours being high on the list.

From building walls in fear of different, closing doors on refugees, racial issues, nationalism, patriotism, imprisoning people like Assange or Snowden for purely speaking the truth and revealing facts, invading sovereign countries against the will of our allies in UN, organizing revolutions, executing leaders without right of free trials, implementing laws on arresting people without a single proof for being guilty, having extreme percentage of population in prisons, police brutality...I could go on and on and on.

Pretty much same colors different shades.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #114 on:** March 08, 2022, 14:21 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 14:04

Once again, you are trying to implement I dont agree on that. I fully agree.

The problem is that is that you and half of the world are so focused on them that you fail to realize how many boxes some other countries check with yours being high on the list.

So... you do admit that Russia IS a fascist state.
We are making progress, although you still can't refrain from throwing in another "whatabout".

Otherwise, no, we don't fail to realize "that". No democracy is perfect.

There are several boxes checked by the USA and other democratic countries, most of them temporarily, and most of them corrected by a healthy feedback loop (like democratic elections, inter-institutional checks-and-balances, the justice system...).

You are systematically focusing on the trees and you don't see the forest. You are desperately looking for isolated examples, for exceptions matching your rhetoric and you wrongly extrapolate them to the whole.

That's your problem and that's how propaganda is working.

Lizard · « **Reply #115 on:** March 08, 2022, 14:53 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 14:21

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 14:04

Once again, you are trying to implement I dont agree on that. I fully agree.

The problem is that is that you and half of the world are so focused on them that you fail to realize how many boxes some other countries check with yours being high on the list.

So... you do admit that Russia IS a fascist state.
We are making progress, although you still can't refrain from throwing in another "whatabout".

Otherwise, no, we don't fail to realize "that". No democracy is perfect.

There are several boxes checked by the USA and other democratic countries, most of them temporarily, and most of them corrected by a healthy feedback loop (like democratic elections, inter-institutional checks and balances, the justice system...).

You are systematically focusing on the trees and you don't see the forest. You are desperately looking for isolated examples, for exceptions matching your rhetoric and you wrongly extrapolate them to the whole.

That's your problem and that's how propaganda is working.

Perfect? You are further away from perfect than fart from smelling nice. Same as China , Russia and similar imperialistic and colonialist forces creating trouble for years and bringing misery wherever they show up.

Isolated examples ? You had been in war for 227 years in your 244 years history of which almost all on others people lands.

And I don't see a tree from a forest ?

I see couple of wolves fighting over power for centuries making peaceful people miserable and pulling them in wars that could easily been avoided. And we live in nuclear times.

People of Ukraine are being killed by a psycho in the middle of a fight for imperialistic dominance while other psychos are planning their next move.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #116 on:** March 08, 2022, 15:24 »

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 14:53

Perfect? You are further away from perfect than fart from smelling nice. Same as China , Russia and similar imperialistic and colonialist forces creating trouble for years and bringing misery wherever they show up.

Isolated examples ? You had been in war for 227 years in your 244 years history of which almost all on others people lands.

And I don't see a tree from a forest ?

I see couple of wolves fighting over power for centuries making peaceful people miserable and pulling them in wars that could easily been avoided. And we live in nuclear times.

People of Ukraine are being killed by a psycho in the middle of a fight for imperialistic dominance while other psychos are planning their next move.

You asked for a modern example of fascism.
I convinced you that Russia is a fascist state.

The rest is just your typical whataboutism, reality spinning, and Russian propaganda speaking points we are all too familiar with.

komikmiha · « **Reply #117 on:** March 08, 2022, 15:28 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 13:18

Quote from: Lizard on March 08, 2022, 13:17
Which example ?
Russia. Russia is a fascist state. 100%

Ukraine is a fascist state and the regime of a Greenman... 100%.

komikmiha · « **Reply #118 on:** March 08, 2022, 15:33 »

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 08, 2022, 13:10

Extremists are everywhere.

Really?

komikmiha · « **Reply #119 on:** March 08, 2022, 15:43 »

You have been brainwashed.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders

Myphotobase · « **Reply #120 on:** March 08, 2022, 16:25 »

"Journalists are cheering on the arming of militias and civilians making improvised explosives – acts they usually treat as terrorism"

Anyone in the world that do improvised explosives to defend their country from an invader has my respect... you use what you can to defend yourself. If your country was attacked, you would do the same..

Quote from: komikmiha on March 08, 2022, 15:43

You have been brainwashed.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders

cathyslife · « **Reply #121 on:** March 08, 2022, 19:53 »

Quote from: i8a4re on March 06, 2022, 15:15

Global central banks are the problem, not the Russian people.
Ban the banks and implement crypto payments

Crypto payments aren’t safe either.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #122 on:** March 09, 2022, 03:48 »

Quote from: komikmiha on March 08, 2022, 15:43

You have been brainwashed.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/russia-ukraine-war-western-media-cheerleaders

I think the problem is actually that you think the people you are arguing with have no knowledge of current affairs or history. You are bring things up about American imperialism and Western hypocrisy as if it is huge “gotcha” and no one has every heard about these things before.

What has this got to do with the people of Ukraine suffering right now? If you think these other issues also need attention then go make some noise about them elsewhere, why does it mean you can’t also be concerned for the people of Ukraine? It isn’t a team sport, these are actual human beings like you and those close to you being murdered or made homeless right now.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #123 on:** March 09, 2022, 07:23 »

qunamax · « **Reply #124 on:** March 09, 2022, 08:42 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on February 26, 2022, 14:25

Yeah, because them Russian photographers have been the most vocal when it comes to pushing for war?

Yeah, I heard that Russian secret photographic group actually forced Putin into war, threatening to blind him with Godox flash.

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