Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.

Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?

Quote from: Wilm on March 06, 2022, 06:28

Quote from: Lizard on March 06, 2022, 05:27

Quote from: Firn on March 06, 2022, 05:07

Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was  "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.

Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.

This is not correct. The turnout for the referendum was only 43% (= only 43% of eligible voters took part in the referendum - for whatever reason). This 43% of the participating population voted 67% in favor of joining the EU.

TRUE!!!

Exactly what I said, and for a referendum to be valid more than 50% of voters should take part.

Article 6 or Clanak 6 in Croatian:

Na dr�avnom referendumu odlučuje se većinom birača koji su glasovali, uz uvjet da je referendumu pristupila većina od ukupnog broja birača upisanih u popis birača Republike Hrvatske.

 or...

The state referendum is decided by a majority of the voters who voted, under the term that the referendum was attended by a majority of the total number of voters registered in the voter list of the Republic of Croatia.

43% turnaround is not majority of registered voters.

 

And here is the full law on official government site.

 

https://www.zakon.hr/z/359/Zakon-o-referendumu-i-drugim-oblicima-osobnog-sudjelovanja-u-obavljanju-dr%C5%BEavne-vlasti-i-lokalne-i-podru%C4%8Dne-%28regionalne%29-samouprave


So what I stated is absolutely true, and by Croatian law that referendum was not valid.

If we wanted to exit EU and we had a new referendum with 49% turnaround with 100% of votes for the exit , the referendum would not be valid and we would have to stay in EU.

I can't find that. The only thing I can find is this from the Croatian Constitution - Article 6:


Članak 6. Osnivanje političkih stranaka je slobodno.
Unutarnje ustrojstvo političkih stranaka mora biti sukladno temeljnim ustavnim demokratskim načelima.

Stranke moraju javno polagati račun o porijeklu svojih sredstava i imovine.
Protuustavne su političke stranke koje svojim programom ili nasilnim djelovanjem smjeraju podrivanju slobodnoga demokrat�skog poretka ili ugro�avaju opstojnost Republike Hrvatske. O protu-ustavnosti odlučuje Ustavni sud Republike Hrvatske.

Zakonom se uređuje polo�aj i financiranje političkih stranaka."

Sometimes dictators are put in power with a coup, but unfortunately, sometimes they are elected (Ex: Putin, Trump). You just have to get rid of them ASAP !!

Quote from: Firn on March 06, 2022, 05:07

Lizard, I am not sure I am understanding what you are trying to say? That, in a democracy, whenever the elected government is making a decision for the country, the whole country was "forced" into that decision whenever there was no referendum? You don't seem to understand that referendums, while they are part of democracy, are extrenmely rare and just because there was no referendum about an issue (so in 99,99% cases) it doesn't mean a whole country was  "forced" into anything when a government that was rightfully elected by the people and given the authorities to make decisions for the people, actually makes a decision without asking every single person for their agreement.

Do you understand a statement : 'If you don't vote to enter EU, you will not get your pension"."
A pension for which people payed all their life and which is their property.
Do you understand that's a blatant blackmail with threat to take peoples property if they don't vote as instructed ? Do you understand that is totalitarianism and dictatorship at its best and has nothing to do with democracy. 

Also in any law, an agreement signed under threat is not a legally valid agreement. An agreement signed using fraud or misleading is not a valid agreement. I can not force you to sell me your house for 5 Euros and if you sign that that's not a valid contract.

Do you also understand what constitution of a country is ? If constitution says referendum has to be held when entering international unions and +50% turnover is needed something to be valid, than 43% is a referendum that did not pass. Changing rules after to fix the result is a criminal act.

Bombarding civil population . War crimes committed by him and his generals are already being recognized by Europe and US. He will be soon on the list of war criminals, like Milosevic was. His corner is everyday smaller. It is already too late for him to back out of this mess. He is a miserable dictator that will pay sooner than later for his crimes.

Quote from: komikmiha on March 06, 2022, 11:45

Except only in Ukraine they are killing civilians. 13.000 of them. Your evidence of the genocide? Let's say he is guilty of: Native Americans genocide, Aborigines genocide, Colonialism, WW1, WW2, atomic bombs, Vietnam, slavery. Are you good now?

Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?

More bitterness I see. As I told you in another post, just get some rest. Don't forget to go to the bathroom before crawling in your cave, wherever that is.

Quote from: komikmiha on March 06, 2022, 15:53

Man you are sick. You don't have any single proof. You are a liar and blinded by enormous hate. Europe and US have much more war criminals, the real ones, not imaginary. Putin enjoys since his plan is working. Nobody will beat Russia. Never. Eve are you crying now?

I know you are crying right now and your hands are shaking. And I told you you need a doctor because your condition is really serious! I'm worried about you. Better cave than old car.

Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!

Finland and Sweden want to join NATO ASAP !!!

Finland? It's not going to happen.

Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:

https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/

As usual from him an excellent article of Yuval Noah Harari on why Putin has already lost the war. Really worth a read

"Nations are ultimately built on stories. Each passing day adds more stories that Ukrainians will tell not only in the dark days ahead, but in the decades and generations to come."


https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/vladimir-putin-war-russia-ukraine

Quote from: Myphotobase on March 07, 2022, 02:55

Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:

https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/

LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform.

The guy is not wearing any uniform at all? Might come as a surprise, but soldiers are not permanently glued to their uniform.

Quote from: MrVector on March 07, 2022, 04:32

Quote from: Myphotobase on March 07, 2022, 02:55

Interesting captured russian soldier speaking about this war:

https://www.facebook.com/realcarrickryan/videos/1007611506801551/

LOL. I think it's fake, because russian army don't have such a uniform.

The guy is not wearing any uniform at all? Might come as a surprise, but soldiers are not permanently glued to their uniform.

and in their earlier invasionof eastern Ukraine many Russians were not wearing uniforms

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia

Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.

This is a good and consistent decision.

Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.

Quote from: Wilm on March 07, 2022, 17:16

Quote from: Zero Talent on March 07, 2022, 16:39

https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2022/03/04/adobe-stops-all-new-sales-in-russia

Great move by Adobe, since their products are very likely to be heavily used by Putin's state controlled media (i.e. all russian media), propaganda and fake news machine.

This is a good and consistent decision.

Whatever happened in history: We live in the here and now. It is legitimate to refer to crimes - including those committed by the West - in the past. But there is no justification for what is currently happening in Ukraine. That's why I think this step by Adobe is very good.

And, to be clear, I interpret this as a decision of AS against the Russian regime, not against Russian contributors!

That's also how I read the announcement. However, Russian contributors will not be able to renew their subscriptions, not just because of Adobe, but mainly because Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Paypal, etc are blocking Russian transactions.

Moreover, we should not expect to get sales from Russia anymore.

One more comment: Russian contributors can't get paid, for the same reason they can't buy Adobe products.

So the title of this thread is rather a moot point, for now.

The fact is that Russian contributors are paying taxes to the Russian government. If their content is sold internationally, then money from the EU, The USA, etc will be used to fuel Putin's war machine and his crimes against innocent Ukrainian civilians.

But this is a minor problem, compared with the way we continue to sponsor his war machine with the money we pay for his gas and oil.