Author Topic: California is burning! (Read 2494 times)

cascoly · « **Reply #50 on:** January 12, 2025, 23:28 »

Quote from: trabuco on January 10, 2025, 02:45

Poor houses: no fire-proof, no water-proof, no wind-proof, no foundations. Poor materials (sold as gold) and weak buildings, like huts.

No proper fire extinction services as a public service.

Every year the same.

we don't want no stinkin' gummint intefering with our property rights & let's get rid of all regulatory agencies, FEMA, firefighting budgets, etc or privatize them.

oh, wait, is it getting near my house? why isnt biden helping me!

let's see how the orange man deals with such fires later this year. .....

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at least till Jan 20 we DO have a govt that aid, support for the newly homeless, and brings in firefighters from around the US & co-ordinates those from Mexico & other countries

CA h as long had water problems, and much of what's happening now is drawdown by the heavy demands from those fighting the fires. air support has been hindered or grounded by 100 mph winds and smoky obscurity making flying too dangerous.

The local water system failed because the city’s infrastructure was built to respond to routine structure fires, not massive wildfires across multiple neighborhoods, experts told us. Ann Jeffers, a University of Michigan civil and environmental engineering professor who studies fire engineering, said she doesn’t know of any industry standard for designing city water supplies to fight the kind of fire that erupted in the Palisades.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/fact-checking-misinformation-about-the-los-angeles-wildfires-and-california-water-policy#:~:text=The%20local%20water%20shortages%20happened,Palisades%20and%20elsewhere%2C%20experts%20said.

unfortunately these disasters are increasing - January was never part of the CA fire season and yet climate denial is one of the main tenets of the Republican party.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/images/event/85098/annual-global-temperature-records

at least six of the warmest years on record have occurfred in the last 10 years
Annual Global Temperature Records

2024 Was the Warmest Year on Record. ...
2022 Tied for Fifth Warmest Year on Record. ...
2021 Continued Earth's Warming Trend. ...
2020 Tied for Warmest Year on Record. ...
2019 Was the Second Warmest Year on Record. ...
2018 Was the Fourth Warmest Year, Continuing Long Warming Trend.

cascoly · « **Reply #51 on:** January 12, 2025, 23:50 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 10, 2025, 13:02

"8 years following the approval by California voters of a $7.5 billion water bond aimed at building water storage facilities, no projects have yet been completed.
Concurrently, vast amounts of fresh snowmelt and rainfall are still flowing unused into the Pacific ocean."

https://x.com/globalbeaconn/status/1877054457399390448

false

proposition 1 money is for myriad projects such as wastewater management, stormwater capture, recycling and groundwater cleanup.

Of the total bond money, $6.4 billion has been committed to projects and more than $2 billion has been spent, says Nancy Vogel, the Natural Resources Agency’s deputy secretary for water. In all, 1,838 projects have been funded and 760 are completed.

another fact is that many of the projects are based in No CA, and don't affect the LA water system.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-01-19/skelton-2014-california-water-bond

i'm truly SHOCKED that this has been an ongoing republican mis-representation of reality

cascoly · « **Reply #52 on:** January 12, 2025, 23:59 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 10, 2025, 14:37

The USA is a technologically highly developed country. With so many technical achievements and innovations.

What I just don't want to understand are the power lines that still look the same today as they did 100 years ago. If we know - as has been proven by extensive studies - that the main cause of such fires is defective power lines, why on earth are they not buried in these areas? Especially in areas where storms are always raging so violently that the cables snap and their sparking ends set fire to dry bushes or trees.

And why are so many houses built entirely of wood in these areas, which contribute significantly to the immense flying sparks and feed the fires additionally?

Wouldn't it make sense to prevent the fires from taking on such devastating proportions in the first place?

sorry, you're making way too much sense -

actually lightning strikes are biggest cause of US wikd fires (in vast areas w no power lines) but power lines are a major source of fires such as the devastating Maui wildfire that destroyed Lahaina , it's not clear yet what started the CA fires but they were certainly exploded by the firerce, dry 100 mph santa anna winds (like the mistrsal, fohn & other European seasonal winds)

cascoly · « **Reply #53 on:** January 13, 2025, 00:13 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 11:39

Quote from: Wilm on January 11, 2025, 09:48
Quote from: SuperPhoto on January 11, 2025, 09:12
... [worthless random mutterings deleted...]
Might be worth looking into more.

What have you been smoking again?

Nothing. You?

Anyways - its amazing, don't quite understand why - but why some people (as yourself) it seems have 100% absolute faith and trust... {repeated blah blah nonsense, as usual attacking the person since you have NO basis for what opinions}

you basically fail the trutrh-test in your claim that those who ask you for facts are 100% based on anything. none of th e rational folk here have ever uttered anything approaching 100% 'faith' in anything Prove me wrong!

again,

so just who or what are the sources YOU rely on when you post the silly but dangerous whaledreck you seem to consider reality? you ask for others to supply sources, but you have yet to show any factual basis (other than maybe MTG's jewish space lasers slanders which claim lasers set wildfires)

tuanbik · « **Reply #54 on:** January 13, 2025, 00:45 »

My condolences to the colleagues affected by the fire, wishing you and your family peace!

stoker2014 · « **Reply #55 on:** January 13, 2025, 04:40 »

cascoly, I think after Trump's inauguration there will be a criminal investigation into the Democrats' policies and the guilty Democrats will be jailed. The public will finally know the truth.

Wilm · « **Reply #56 on:** January 13, 2025, 05:35 »

Quote from: cascoly on January 12, 2025, 23:59

Quote from: Wilm on January 10, 2025, 14:37
The USA is a technologically highly developed country. With so many technical achievements and innovations.

What I just don't want to understand are the power lines that still look the same today as they did 100 years ago. If we know - as has been proven by extensive studies - that the main cause of such fires is defective power lines, why on earth are they not buried in these areas? Especially in areas where storms are always raging so violently that the cables snap and their sparking ends set fire to dry bushes or trees.

And why are so many houses built entirely of wood in these areas, which contribute significantly to the immense flying sparks and feed the fires additionally?

Wouldn't it make sense to prevent the fires from taking on such devastating proportions in the first place?

sorry, you're making way too much sense -

actually lightning strikes are biggest cause of US wikd fires (in vast areas w no power lines) but power lines are a major source of fires such as the devastating Maui wildfire that destroyed Lahaina , it's not clear yet what started the CA fires but they were certainly exploded by the firerce, dry 100 mph santa anna winds (like the mistrsal, fohn & other European seasonal winds)

The Santa Ana winds are the problem of extreme propagation. But a wind cannot start a fire. First it needs the famous spark, such as arson, lightning strikes or even faulty power lines, which according to this study (which I mentioned earlier) play a central role.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abh2262

But, of course, you're right. In remote areas where there are no power lines, lightning is the main problem.

AM24 · « **Reply #57 on:** January 14, 2025, 17:17 »

My heart goes out to all the people here that are affected by these devasting LA fires. Please let us know if there's anything we can do. Any links to places we can donate to, Red Cross, or whatever. The destruction from the fires looks devasting.

To others, please don't blame political parties, governors or mayors. I know people want these things never to happen again, but we need understanding not blame in matters like this.

A few years back, I was contracted to our State's Department for Environment to go around to all the main regional offices and train their Rangers on Asset Management. These guys were so wonderful and loved their jobs and were so committed to keeping our country safe. They would take me out to lunch after the training sessions, and I learnt a lot. South Australia is one of those areas similar to California that is very prone to bushfires (USA calls them wildfires). Apparently hilly areas are the most dangerous for bushfires because they cannot come in and create container zones between townships and the fires. This is often impossible on hillsides. Also, fire travels faster up inclines than on level ground, the hilly terrain also means bush fires can move more quickly and become harder to control.

Anyway, my heart goes out to all of you and wishing you all the very best. Please let us know what we can do.
Annie

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #58 on:** January 14, 2025, 22:42 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 13, 2025, 04:40

cascoly, I think after Trump's inauguration there will be a criminal investigation into the Democrats' policies and the guilty Democrats will be jailed. The public will finally know the truth.

But you've had a sneak peek of this 'truth' in advance... somehow?!

Yeah, I'd be curious where you're getting your news from as well. Obviously Fox is out as they seem like Biden's best friends compared to some of the nonsense you're spouting. Newsmax and OAN... maybe, but they still seem a bit tame compared to your political leanings and insinuations. It's probabaly just some insane Facebook groups or X accounts.

But please, tell us exactly what Biden has done to deserve the electric chair? I mean, I'm assuming you feel that Trump shouldn't be jailed for all the things he's done... so the electric chair for whatever you think Biden has done?! What are we talking here... depraved serial killer, mass genocide, does he have a walk in freezer filled with the bodies of his victims just off the oval office, etc etc?

We should have a specific stoker2014 thread in the off topic section, and every time you say something ridiculous, we can post it in there. Maybe you could just post all your stuff in there from now on... save us a job. If ever anyone is feeling down they can head over to the thread and have a good chuckle.

TonyD · « **Reply #59 on:** January 15, 2025, 00:43 »

My auntie lives in North california & she's in England right now but her friend's daughter lost her house in these fires

TonyD · « **Reply #60 on:** January 15, 2025, 01:02 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 09, 2025, 04:13

Quote from: Big Money on January 08, 2025, 19:49
Quote from: stoker2014 on January 08, 2025, 17:59

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DEjTXy_t4Hk

Raging flames driven by a fierce windstorm scorched a rapidly growing area of Southern California, destroying homes, forcing at least 30,000 residents to evacuate and choking the sky with smoke, with officials warning that the worst was yet to come.

Is there anyone from California?

What are Biden and the Democrats doing?

President Elected posted this info today

President-elect Trump pinned blame for the "apocalyptic" wildfires tearing through Los Angeles County on California Democratic Gov. Gavin Newsom.

"Governor Gavin Newscum refused to sign the water restoration declaration put before him that would have allowed millions of gallons of water, from excess rain and snow melt from the North, to flow daily into many parts of California, including the areas that are currently burning in a virtually apocalyptic way," Trump posted on Truth Social late Wednesday morning.

"He wanted to protect an essentially worthless fish called a smelt, by giving it less water (it didn’t work!), but didn’t care about the people of California. Now the ultimate price is being paid. I will demand that this incompetent governor allow beautiful, clean, fresh water to FLOW INTO CALIFORNIA! He is the blame for this. On top of it all, no water for fire hydrants, not firefighting planes. A true disaster!"
+100
I am glad that there is Trump, who speaks the truth.
The following needs to be done: Remove the Democrat from office and put in prison. Replace all governors of all states with Republicans.
Democrats are enemies of humanity and friends of the Russians, Chinese and terrorists.
We recently saw how people died in Florida, now people are being burned in California. All this is the criminal policy of Biden and the Democrats. Biden's entire tenure is daily genocide and murder in Ukraine.

Yes I agree. Democrats & Labour in my country (England) never seem to care about us only illegal aliens / immigrants & Minorities apart from the disabled whom they don't like. The Gov in England even wants to legalize assisted dying - just the kind of thing Putin would do

TonyD · « **Reply #61 on:** January 15, 2025, 01:07 »

Quote from: trabuco on January 10, 2025, 02:45

Poor houses: no fire-proof, no water-proof, no wind-proof, no foundations. Poor materials (sold as gold) and weak buildings, like huts.

No proper fire extinction services as a public service.

Every year the same.

Why are the houses so expensive if so poorly built?

pancaketom · « **Reply #62 on:** January 15, 2025, 02:27 »

Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2025, 01:07

Quote from: trabuco on January 10, 2025, 02:45
Poor houses: no fire-proof, no water-proof, no wind-proof, no foundations. Poor materials (sold as gold) and weak buildings, like huts.

No proper fire extinction services as a public service.

Every year the same.
Why are the houses so expensive if so poorly built?

Much of the cost is the cost of the land - a lot up in the hills adjacent to nature costs many $ - and also is much more likely to burn. Also most builders know how to build with wood - it is relatively cheap and fast and much of the work can be done by only semi-skilled workers- so most houses are highly flammable. There are too many people for the number of houses available, so a house in the foothills of LA costs many times what the same house would cost in the middle of the country.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #63 on:** January 15, 2025, 04:30 »

Quote from: AM24 on January 14, 2025, 17:17

Annie

Oh! You're not the same Annie we know, by any chance?
You've hidden well.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #64 on:** January 15, 2025, 13:55 »

Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2025, 01:02

The Gov in England even wants to legalize assisted dying - just the kind of thing Putin would do

As a doctor, I am very much in favor of controlled assisted dying being regulated by law.
I also understand and accept the counter-arguments.
This is a very sensitive and complicated issue.
In this respect, I find it quite inappropriate to refer to Putin here.
I'm assuming that you've never been in an oncology intensive care unit.
If I were you, I would simply read up on the subject again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47158287

stoker2014 · « **Reply #65 on:** January 15, 2025, 14:15 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 15, 2025, 13:55

Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2025, 01:02
The Gov in England even wants to legalize assisted dying - just the kind of thing Putin would do

As a doctor, I am very much in favor of controlled assisted dying being regulated by law.
I also understand and accept the counter-arguments.
This is a very sensitive and complicated issue.
In this respect, I find it quite inappropriate to refer to Putin here.
I'm assuming that you've never been in an oncology intensive care unit.
If I were you, I would simply read up on the subject again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47158287

He's probably a fan of putin and Russians. But I'll say this: the Russian Empire has a very low level of medicine, and few people receive help there anyway, which is tantamount to assisted dying.

Wilm · « **Reply #66 on:** January 15, 2025, 14:30 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 15, 2025, 13:55

Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2025, 01:02
The Gov in England even wants to legalize assisted dying - just the kind of thing Putin would do

As a doctor, I am very much in favor of controlled assisted dying being regulated by law.
I also understand and accept the counter-arguments.
This is a very sensitive and complicated issue.
In this respect, I find it quite inappropriate to refer to Putin here.
I'm assuming that you've never been in an oncology intensive care unit.
If I were you, I would simply read up on the subject again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47158287

I absolutely agree.

Anyone who is against the subject across the board should wish with all their heart that they were never affected themselves. Because the people I have known who have been affected have wished for nothing more.

When the status quo has progressed so far that the eyes, nose, mouth, all muscles, life-sustaining reflexes (swallowing reflex, eyelid reflex etc.) are no longer able to function and everything in the body except the heart and brain no longer function and the body is consumed by cramps and excruciating pain for months on end and a cure is impossible, that is the time when this debate MUST at least be held.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #67 on:** January 15, 2025, 14:37 »

I think this is a difficult question. The thing is that the level of medicine and doctors is very different in different hospitals and different countries. Let's say if in russia they can't support a person normally, but in Germany they can, then what? Or in Israel they can provide more help to a patient than in Germany. What to do then?

Here we need to start with politicians and doctors. Many criminal cases can be opened on this topic and many incompetents and corrupt people can be put in prison or in the electric chair.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #68 on:** January 15, 2025, 15:05 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 15, 2025, 14:30

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 15, 2025, 13:55
Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2025, 01:02
The Gov in England even wants to legalize assisted dying - just the kind of thing Putin would do

As a doctor, I am very much in favor of controlled assisted dying being regulated by law.
I also understand and accept the counter-arguments.
This is a very sensitive and complicated issue.
In this respect, I find it quite inappropriate to refer to Putin here.
I'm assuming that you've never been in an oncology intensive care unit.
If I were you, I would simply read up on the subject again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47158287

I absolutely agree.

Anyone who is against the subject across the board should wish with all their heart that they were never affected themselves. Because the people I have known who have been affected have wished for nothing more.

When the status quo has progressed so far that the eyes, nose, mouth, all muscles, life-sustaining reflexes (swallowing reflex, eyelid reflex etc.) are no longer able to function and everything in the body except the heart and brain no longer function and the body is consumed by cramps and excruciating pain for months on end and a cure is impossible, that is the time when this debate MUST at least be held.

Exactly that Wilm and unfortunately it's not even discussed here.
And there is a certain irony in the fact that in Germany you can now change your gender in an afternoon at will. And if you feel like it, you can still have your genitals irreversibly mutilated without counseling.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #69 on:** January 15, 2025, 15:14 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 15, 2025, 14:37

I think this is a difficult question. The thing is that the level of medicine and doctors is very different in different hospitals and different countries. Let's say if in russia they can't support a person normally, but in Germany they can, then what? Or in Israel they can provide more help to a patient than in Germany. What to do then?

Here we need to start with politicians and doctors. Many criminal cases can be opened on this topic and many incompetents and corrupt people can be put in prison or in the electric chair.

I would have liked to respond to your argument.
But your choice of words with the electric chair crap once again disqualifies you for any discussion.
Don't you actually have a learning curve?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #70 on:** January 16, 2025, 03:42 »

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 15, 2025, 15:05

And there is a certain irony in the fact that in Germany you can now change your gender in an afternoon at will. And if you feel like it, you can still have your genitals irreversibly mutilated without counseling.

You have already answered all my questions with this post of yours.
But I'll amuse you, my learning curve is strictly downward!

ps.
I know that all doctors in the world are very afraid of prosecution and precedents and cover up for their colleagues who are corrupt, criminal and incompetent.

cascoly · « **Reply #71 on:** January 16, 2025, 14:28 »

Quote from: Wilm on January 15, 2025, 14:30

Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 15, 2025, 13:55
Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2025, 01:02
The Gov in England even wants to legalize assisted dying - just the kind of thing Putin would do

As a doctor, I am very much in favor of controlled assisted dying being regulated by law.
I also understand and accept the counter-arguments.
This is a very sensitive and complicated issue.
In this respect, I find it quite inappropriate to refer to Putin here.
I'm assuming that you've never been in an oncology intensive care unit.
If I were you, I would simply read up on the subject again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47158287

I absolutely agree.

Anyone who is against the subject across the board should wish with all their heart that they were never affected themselves. Because the people I have known who have been affected have wished for nothing more.

When the status quo has progressed so far that the eyes, nose, mouth, all muscles, life-sustaining reflexes (swallowing reflex, eyelid reflex etc.) are no longer able to function and everything in the body except the heart and brain no longer function and the body is consumed by cramps and excruciating pain for months on end and a cure is impossible, that is the time when this debate MUST at least be held.

Oregon was the first state to approve Death w Dignity in 1994, a dozen other states have followed. I'm glad my state of Washington enacted a law in 2009 (i did pro bono computer consulting for one of the campaigns).

The actual number of people using assisted suicide is < 500 (about .05% of all WA deaths)
https://compassionandchoices.org/states-where-medical-aid-in-dying-is-authorized/

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #72 on:** January 16, 2025, 15:28 »

Quote from: cascoly on January 16, 2025, 14:28

Quote from: Wilm on January 15, 2025, 14:30
Quote from: RalfLiebhold on January 15, 2025, 13:55
Quote from: TonyD on January 15, 2025, 01:02
The Gov in England even wants to legalize assisted dying - just the kind of thing Putin would do

As a doctor, I am very much in favor of controlled assisted dying being regulated by law.
I also understand and accept the counter-arguments.
This is a very sensitive and complicated issue.
In this respect, I find it quite inappropriate to refer to Putin here.
I'm assuming that you've never been in an oncology intensive care unit.
If I were you, I would simply read up on the subject again.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47158287

I absolutely agree.

Anyone who is against the subject across the board should wish with all their heart that they were never affected themselves. Because the people I have known who have been affected have wished for nothing more.

When the status quo has progressed so far that the eyes, nose, mouth, all muscles, life-sustaining reflexes (swallowing reflex, eyelid reflex etc.) are no longer able to function and everything in the body except the heart and brain no longer function and the body is consumed by cramps and excruciating pain for months on end and a cure is impossible, that is the time when this debate MUST at least be held.

Oregon was the first state to approve Death w Dignity in 1994, a dozen other states have followed. I'm glad my state of Washington enacted a law in 2009 ( did pro bon computer consulting for one of the campaigns).

The actual number of people using assisted suicide is < 500 (about .05% of all WA deaths)
https://compassionandchoices.org/states-where-medical-aid-in-dying-is-authorized/

Thank you Steve, you have just made a very valuable point here.

In Germany, this is discussed under the unpleasant terms of assisted death, euthanasia and assisted suicide.

The term death w dignity takes a lot of negative energy out of the discussion.

I will pass this on. Unfortunately, the topic has completely disappeared in Germany.

alan b traehern · « **Reply #73 on:** January 17, 2025, 09:24 »

“The richest people should pay their fair taxes so that we can have the money to provide firefighting services.”
— Rep. Maxine Waters Dem.
The truth: CA has the highest top income-tax rate in the country, and “the richest” already pay more than their “fair share” The top 1% pay nearly 50% of the tax revenue to the state.

The state claims they didn't cut funding but the mayor of LA did. She diverted money to the homeless and illegals. The first blame goes to the electric company, that provides power for people with electric cars, electric stoves, electric heating and cooling, because CA is banning gas stoves, gas furnaces and gas cars. CA residents want everything both ways, but don't really know what they want.

If the state would clear brush and make fire breaks, at least there would be some chance of keeping these annual fires from spreading and being so devastating. Instead they say "It won't work" and don't try. A never ending list of why they can't prevent these fires, but a long list of blaming climate, blame PG&E, and blame the rich.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #74 on:** January 17, 2025, 10:44 »

This is why Trump and the Republicans won the election. The US Democrats are losers and criminals.

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