I know that you can't compare the Champions League to this tournament, but when it comes to winning a game and what it takes to win a game it's still pretty unpredictable.

Sometime it's just luck. I doubt that Danny Welbeck pulls another one like the 3:2 for instance.

I know that you can't compare the Champions League to this tournament, but when it comes to winning a game and what it takes to win a game it's still pretty unpredictable.

Sometime it's just luck. I doubt that Danny Welbeck pulls another one like the 3:2 for instance.

But Rooney can, he's consiatent and second best striker in the tournament (now that Ibra is out there should be no doubt about that). He can do heel kicks, bicycle kicks, has a good long distance shot. And Istill hope to see a beuty or two from Gerrard, so far he was delivering top drawer passes in to the box that resulted in goals

And, I just saw him post that on FB, can't wait to see all the mayhem and destruction he's gonna cause

NIKE FOOTBALL: MY TIME IS NOW: WAYNE ROONEY

Yes! England won and ended at the top of their group

The score counts - not very convincing performance plus a disallowed goal of Ukraine - close one...

Just like Spain 2 days ago. They played as little as they had to win, actually a draw would be enough for them. Yes, such calculations ruin sports, but that's tournament format for ya

Quote from: click_click on June 19, 2012, 19:06

Quote from: wut on June 19, 2012, 17:02

Yes! England won and ended at the top of their group

The score counts - not very convincing performance plus a disallowed goal of Ukraine - close one...

Whether all of the ball crossed all of the line is somewhat irrelevant as the player who 'scored' it started his run in an offside position (which was missed by the linesman). If there had been a review system, like tennis, cricket, rugby, etc, then the goal would not have been awarded.

just watched it on youtube and yes two wrong decisions made a right one 
He was really in a obvious offside position and the ball was clearly over the line.

Quote from: click_click on June 19, 2012, 19:06

Quote from: wut on June 19, 2012, 17:02

Yes! England won and ended at the top of their group

The score counts - not very convincing performance plus a disallowed goal of Ukraine - close one...

Whether all of the ball crossed all of the line is somewhat irrelevant as the player who 'scored' it started his run in an offside position (which was missed by the linesman). If there had been a review system, like tennis, cricket, rugby, etc, then the goal would not have been awarded.

True to a certain extent. According to the rules you are absolutely correct BUT the UEFA is having problems implementing sensors into the ball to track it.

In this particular situation the tracker would have signaled a goal even though the referee didn't see the offside.

Although you are 100% correct that the goal should not be awarded, it's very unfortunate that the offside wasn't noticed and the play not stopped.

To see your shot go behind the goal line and then not getting the score is utmost frustrating.

The way Ukraine was playing, IMO they deserved that goal but soccer is not about who deserves anything. The lucky one, dipping the ball into the goal after some funky trajectory path is the winner here. I wish Rooney would have scored in a more spectacular way to get things straight.

Like I said - close one.

I'd love to see a review system introduced into football in which the captains of each team could challenge the ref's decision, say twice in each match for incorrect challenges, and technology used to determine the outcome.

+1 but not on faults

Quote from: gostwyck on June 20, 2012, 09:26

I think it is FIFA rather than UEFA that are dealing (or not) with the issue. The system they are currently testing is Hawk-Eye, which has been used successfully for several years in cricket and tennis, and requires no sensors in the ball. Hawk-Eye uses high-speed cameras to track the ball and triangulation to work out it's exact position and also predict the future flight if required (for lbw decisions in cricket for example).

I'd love to see a review system introduced into football in which the captains of each team could challenge the ref's decision, say twice in each match for incorrect challenges, and technology used to determine the outcome.

Since this is a European tournament I believe it's under the direct control of the UEFA. The FIFA may suggest certain control systems but the UEFA may make their own decision about that.

Be that as it may, there are several ball tracking systems being tested not just the one you mentioned.

I'd like to see a solution that provides instant results without the need of "challenges" or game interruptions.

This is what sets soccer apart from many other sports that use such technologies like American Football or Basketball where the game play is constantly stopped ANYWAY, regardless of challenges.

I feel the whole spirit of soccer will be lost if such interruptions would be allowed for the sake of figuring out if a ball was behind the goal line or not.

I also agree. It ads so much discussion potential

I noticed this when watching tennis. Years ago my friends and i would discuss non stop if a ball was in or out, nowadays the players just challenge on the big points. Yes the challenges are very exciting while they are happening, but 10 min later the whole situation is already forgotten.

it was a very weird moment once the 4th or 5th referee was there but sleeping...

I think it that particular situation it was very hard for any human being to "see" that actually happening from a referee standpoint (even the one standing on the goal line).

These guys don't have it easy.

It would have saved a lot of aggravation if they looked that the freeze frame to make that call instead of relying on (error-prone) human eyes.

I don't play, just watch. And I love playing the tournaments of guessing results with my friends. Right now I'm leading, but with a small margin.

I bet Portugal 1x0.

1 is enough ahah but I am sure if they score 1 I will want a ton more

for�a PORTUGAL!!!