Author Topic: IS/Getty, might have done us a favour! (Read 8354 times)

Lagereek · « **on:** July 21, 2012, 01:05 »

Seems to me Im getting lots and lots of Dls, via these partner-program and for good money as well! but when going into the IS-site, my uploads, pressing parner-program, where do you see the actual files sold, the date of the dl?

Anyhow it seems this pp, wasnt all that bad as we thought! Im doing quite well there actually. Anybody else?

ShadySue · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2012, 03:50 »

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 01:05

Seems to me Im getting lots and lots of Dls, via these partner-program and for good money as well! but when going into the IS-site, my uploads, pressing parner-program, where do you see the actual files sold, the date of the dl?

Huh?

RacePhoto · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2012, 04:21 »

Quote from: ShadySue on July 21, 2012, 03:50

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 01:05
Seems to me Im getting lots and lots of Dls, via these partner-program and for good money as well! but when going into the IS-site, my uploads, pressing parner-program, where do you see the actual files sold, the date of the dl?
Huh?

Yeah, it makes no sense?

ShadySue · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2012, 04:44 »

Having thought about it, I think he meant to say, "I'm doing well in the iStock PP, but where can I see my actual figures?"

Karimala · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:12 »

Go to "My Uploads." On the left hand side of the page listed under "Contributor Tools" is a link to PP figures per file. However, if you want to see each sale individually, you have to go back to "My Uploads" and click on each photo individually, then look under the PP tab. It's not a very good setup.

Difydave · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:34 »

There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox here
http://www.bullersofbuchan.me.uk/istockphoto/stuff/is_myuploads_adddata_pp.user.js
Written by Gannet 77
That adds the last three sales in an extra column on the PP page.

I've had the maximum allowable age wise for me in the pp for some time now. Haven't really seen any vast downturn in iStock sales (well up until July so far!) and have had a useful amount of extra money off it. I'm fairly sure it's a different market, from my POV as an exclusive an extra market, although I know everyone doesn't agree.

wut · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:38 »

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 01:05

Anyhow it seems this pp, wasnt all that bad as we thought! Im doing quite well there actually. Anybody else?

Stagnating for the last 3 months, I'm getting very low 3 digit earnings. So no, not really, regular earnings have more than doubled in the same time period.

wut · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2012, 05:40 »

Quote from: Difydave on July 21, 2012, 05:34

There's a Greasemonkey script for Firefox here
http://www.bullersofbuchan.me.uk/istockphoto/stuff/is_myuploads_adddata_pp.user.js
Written by Gannet 77
That adds the last three sales in an extra column on the PP page.

I've had the maximum allowable age wise for me in the pp for some time now. Haven't really seen any vast downturn in iStock sales (well up until July so far!) and have had a useful amount of extra money off it. I'm fairly sure it's a different market, from my POV as an exclusive an extra market, although I know everyone doesn't agree.

But with the dollar bin coming back, I think you'd be better off putting your files there, you get RCs on top of it.

Difydave · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2012, 06:20 »

Dollar bin isn't going to be a choice AFAIK. They'll be picking what goes in there. I assume that anything they put in there will still be able to be in the PP as well.

wut · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2012, 06:25 »

I didn't know that, since I wasn't around when the collection was still regularly updated. I thought it's just the same as P+/E+. Or Even A/V, where you nominate the files. What do you think the criteria is going to be, how did it work back then? And I didn't think files couldn't be in PP as well if they were in the dollar bin, just that I'd only put them in the dollar bin if I was an exclusive

Difydave · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2012, 06:53 »

My present Dollar bin files are in the PP, so I'd assume that will carry on. The last time they put files in there it was (IIRC) files that had gone for two years without a sale. This time they have said somewhere on the thread about the changes that it will be a longer time without a sale.

Before the last ingestion (and that was way back) files put in the dollar bin had a month to sell, and were deactivated if they didn't. Again they said they'd be looking at that type of option.

Lagereek · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2012, 08:17 »

Look people, all Im saying is: since many of us had no option/choice other then to let our files be mirrored at TS, or simply take our ports and bugger off! better to earn at PP, rather then a SMACK! in the Bollucks! isnt it?

hurts!

cathyslife · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2012, 10:22 »

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 08:17

Look people, all Im saying is: since many of us had no option/choice other then to let our files be mirrored at TS, or simply take our ports and bugger off! better to earn at PP, rather then a SMACK! in the Bollucks! isnt it? hurts!

Well, if you subscribe to the notion that a penny is better than nothing, then yes, better to earn at PP. If you think that in the long run this is all going to ruin microstock, then taking our ports and buggering off would be the better solution. If people just keep hanging around and taking the abuse, it's just going to keep happening. Easier to say than do, though, I know.

lisafx · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:05 »

Quote from: Difydave on July 21, 2012, 06:53

My present Dollar bin files are in the PP, so I'd assume that will carry on. The last time they put files in there it was (IIRC) files that had gone for two years without a sale. This time they have said somewhere on the thread about the changes that it will be a longer time without a sale.

Before the last ingestion (and that was way back) files put in the dollar bin had a month to sell, and were deactivated if they didn't. Again they said they'd be looking at that type of option.

Interesting. A lot of people have mentioned that old files with no or few sales have been selling lately. Maybe they are floating old files to the front of the best match to see which still have sales potential and which should go in the dollar bin...

Difydave · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:33 »

Quote from: lisafx on July 21, 2012, 11:05

Quote from: Difydave on July 21, 2012, 06:53
My present Dollar bin files are in the PP, so I'd assume that will carry on. The last time they put files in there it was (IIRC) files that had gone for two years without a sale. This time they have said somewhere on the thread about the changes that it will be a longer time without a sale.

Before the last ingestion (and that was way back) files put in the dollar bin had a month to sell, and were deactivated if they didn't. Again they said they'd be looking at that type of option.

Interesting. A lot of people have mentioned that old files with no or few sales have been selling lately. Maybe they are floating old files to the front of the best match to see which still have sales potential and which should go in the dollar bin...

That's if they do go down that path of course. IIRC they said it was an option they were looking at. They may keep files on an ongoing basis as they do now, although to be fair we probably nearly all have some stuff which we wouldn't really miss.
Looking at my own last page of sales there looks to be a pretty good spread time wise, with no real first timers from way back. Although there are a few sales from older files which had some sales but which haven't sold for a while.

Lagereek · « **Reply #15 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:45 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 21, 2012, 10:22

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 08:17
Look people, all Im saying is: since many of us had no option/choice other then to let our files be mirrored at TS, or simply take our ports and bugger off! better to earn at PP, rather then a SMACK! in the Bollucks! isnt it? hurts!

Well, if you subscribe to the notion that a penny is better than nothing, then yes, better to earn at PP. If you think that in the long run this is all going to ruin microstock, then taking our ports and buggering off would be the better solution. If people just keep hanging around and taking the abuse, it's just going to keep happening. Easier to say than do, though, I know.

Youre totally misreading everything I said. People like myself, Lisa, etc, etc, had no OPTION, but to let IS mirror all our files into TS. Have you completely forgotten that? or are you just being silly here?
It was either that or NO PORT!
I suppose you would hav let them throw out thousands of files, hey.
Besides, that wont ruin micr. Micro will ruin itself. Its engineered that way from the very start.

Sheridan · « **Reply #16 on:** July 21, 2012, 11:56 »

Quote from: Karimala on July 21, 2012, 05:12

Go to "My Uploads." On the left hand side of the page listed under "Contributor Tools" is a link to PP figures per file. However, if you want to see each sale individually, you have to go back to "My Uploads" and click on each photo individually, then look under the PP tab. It's not a very good setup.

If you have an Android phone or tablet, then the Livestock app by member Theasis has a feature that lists individual sales (thumbnail) by date order.

fotografer · « **Reply #17 on:** July 21, 2012, 12:12 »

The last couple of months my earnings have been high from the partner programmes and has been about 30% of my total IS earnings.

cthoman · « **Reply #18 on:** July 21, 2012, 13:17 »

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 11:45

Youre totally misreading everything I said. People like myself, Lisa, etc, etc, had no OPTION, but to let IS mirror all our files into TS. Have you completely forgotten that? or are you just being silly here?
It was either that or NO PORT!
I suppose you would hav let them throw out thousands of files, hey.
Besides, that wont ruin micr. Micro will ruin itself. Its engineered that way from the very start.

Deleting your portfolio is always an option. iStock went from my top earner to about half of what it was then to the garbage can in about a year. Even at half earnings it was still a better earner than pretty much all the other sites. It was a big blow to my earnings to eliminate them, although most of the damage they had already done when earnings plummeted. Also, I did delete thousands of files there. That said, it really didn't take that long to recover those earnings, but I might be a lucky one because my earnings were always decently spread across several sites.

Lagereek · « **Reply #19 on:** July 21, 2012, 13:22 »

Quote from: cthoman on July 21, 2012, 13:17

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 11:45
Youre totally misreading everything I said. People like myself, Lisa, etc, etc, had no OPTION, but to let IS mirror all our files into TS. Have you completely forgotten that? or are you just being silly here?
It was either that or NO PORT!
I suppose you would hav let them throw out thousands of files, hey.
Besides, that wont ruin micr. Micro will ruin itself. Its engineered that way from the very start.

Deleting your portfolio is always an option. iStock went from my top earner to about half of what it was then to the garbage can in about a year. Even at half earnings it was still a better earner than pretty much all the other sites. It was a big blow to my earnings to eliminate them, although most of the damage they had already done when earnings plummeted. Also, I did delete thousands of files there. That said, it really didn't take that long to recover those earnings, but I might be a lucky one because my earnings were always decently spread across several sites.

Yes well I have already long back eliminated around 15 blue flames, 20 red flames, etc from the IS files. Thats enough. I needed these files for a specific reason but to just blindly eliminate files just on pure moral grounds? well, must say, if morality is that expensive! I dont want none.

cthoman · « **Reply #20 on:** July 21, 2012, 13:54 »

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 13:22

Yes well I have already long back eliminated around 15 blue flames, 20 red flames, etc from the IS files. Thats enough. I needed these files for a specific reason but to just blindly eliminate files just on pure moral grounds? well, must say, if morality is that expensive! I dont want none.

LOL. I hear that. Trust me, it wasn't all about moral superiority. I'm not that noble.

It was more about moving my business/images to better paying sites, although first you actually have to find them. That is a little easier to do on the illustration side. It's strange. It seems like the illustration side has a lot of fair pay sites popping up recently, but the photo side seems to be going in the opposite direction. That's a shame because producing photos seems like a much more expensive operation to run. Maybe, the increased competition cause your work to be devalued.

It does make me wonder if there will be a mass exodus of illustrators at some point. I could definitely see a point where I'm not on any (or very few) sites that sell photography.

Lagereek · « **Reply #21 on:** July 21, 2012, 14:07 »

Quote from: cthoman on July 21, 2012, 13:54

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 13:22
Yes well I have already long back eliminated around 15 blue flames, 20 red flames, etc from the IS files. Thats enough. I needed these files for a specific reason but to just blindly eliminate files just on pure moral grounds? well, must say, if morality is that expensive! I dont want none.

LOL. I hear that. Trust me, it wasn't all about moral superiority. I'm not that noble.

It was more about moving my business/images to better paying sites, although first you actually have to find them. That is a little easier to do on the illustration side. It's strange. It seems like the illustration side has a lot of fair pay sites popping up recently, but the photo side seems to be going in the opposite direction. That's a shame because producing photos seems like a much more expensive operation to run. Maybe, the increased competition cause your work to be devalued.

It does make me wonder if there will be a mass exodus of illustrators at some point. I could definitely see a point where I'm not on any (or very few) sites that sell photography.

In my case, the type of photography I do, leaves very little competition, if any at that to be afraid of. My deactivation of valuable files was almost the same as you. Moved them to places where they didnt get burried deep down in the IS search.

wut · « **Reply #22 on:** July 21, 2012, 14:12 »

I wish more lifestyle togs would be that "noble"

Then it wouldn't be a question anymore, to be or not to be (exclusive)

cathyslife · « **Reply #23 on:** July 21, 2012, 14:40 »

Quote from: cthoman on July 21, 2012, 13:17

Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 11:45
Youre totally misreading everything I said. People like myself, Lisa, etc, etc, had no OPTION, but to let IS mirror all our files into TS. Have you completely forgotten that? or are you just being silly here?
It was either that or NO PORT!
I suppose you would hav let them throw out thousands of files, hey.
Besides, that wont ruin micr. Micro will ruin itself. Its engineered that way from the very start.

Deleting your portfolio is always an option. iStock went from my top earner to about half of what it was then to the garbage can in about a year. Even at half earnings it was still a better earner than pretty much all the other sites. It was a big blow to my earnings to eliminate them, although most of the damage they had already done when earnings plummeted. Also, I did delete thousands of files there. That said, it really didn't take that long to recover those earnings, but I might be a lucky one because my earnings were always decently spread across several sites.

Apparently you were totally misreading everything I said, because I was saying exactly what Cory said above. And I also deleted a thousand files there because I wanted them on sites that didn't hassle me every week and rip me off with clawbacks, etc. And I have found less hassle in SS, BigStock and a couple of others.

You ALWAYS have an option, you just don't want to take it.

And you talk about doing something on moral grounds as if it's despicable.

Lagereek · « **Reply #24 on:** July 21, 2012, 15:02 »

Quote from: cclapper on July 21, 2012, 14:40

Quote from: cthoman on July 21, 2012, 13:17
Quote from: Lagereek on July 21, 2012, 11:45
Youre totally misreading everything I said. People like myself, Lisa, etc, etc, had no OPTION, but to let IS mirror all our files into TS. Have you completely forgotten that? or are you just being silly here?
It was either that or NO PORT!
I suppose you would hav let them throw out thousands of files, hey.
Besides, that wont ruin micr. Micro will ruin itself. Its engineered that way from the very start.

Deleting your portfolio is always an option. iStock went from my top earner to about half of what it was then to the garbage can in about a year. Even at half earnings it was still a better earner than pretty much all the other sites. It was a big blow to my earnings to eliminate them, although most of the damage they had already done when earnings plummeted. Also, I did delete thousands of files there. That said, it really didn't take that long to recover those earnings, but I might be a lucky one because my earnings were always decently spread across several sites.

Apparently you were totally misreading everything I said, because I was saying exactly what Cory said above. And I also deleted a thousand files there because I wanted them on sites that didn't hassle me every week and rip me off with clawbacks, etc. And I have found less hassle in SS, BigStock and a couple of others.

You ALWAYS have an option, you just don't want to take it.

And you talk about doing something on moral grounds as if it's despicable.

An option is never an option if the result doesnt improve, Hobsons choice really. Morality is never despicable its honorable on higher levels and grounds. We are talking micro here and the very word morality should not enter into that world, non existant.
Youre wrong about ALWAYS having an option, what you did was just a compromize, nothing else and you compromized putting your images on other sites, hoping for the best. About clawbacks? well I think I lost considerably more then you on clawbacks and stood for a heck of a lot more hassle. I endured, you did not.

Moral of the story: "caught between the devil and the deep blue sea"

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