Author Topic: End of Year IS review Statistics (Read 22137 times)

RacePhoto · « **on:** December 30, 2011, 11:40 »

I know, I'm ahead, but this won't change much in a day...

Exclusive 15.13%
Black Diamond 45 (and more coming, nice work!) .12%
60% base Contributors
Under 100 DLs = 44%

Source http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/ of course. Nice work!

New Members in 2011 = 273 (this number tends to increase as they are added to the database, but for now that's it.)
New Members in 2010 = 2061

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #1 on:** December 30, 2011, 11:43 »

Good stuff. Thanks for digging it out.

KB · « **Reply #2 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:32 »

Is there any data on how these same stats looked a year or two ago? I'd think the change from year to year would be even more interesting to see.

Karimala · « **Reply #3 on:** December 30, 2011, 12:57 »

Quote from: KB on December 30, 2011, 12:32

Is there any data on how these same stats looked a year or two ago? I'd think the change from year to year would be even more interesting to see.

Check the Wayback Machine.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/

luissantos84 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 30, 2011, 13:03 »

Quote from: Karimala on December 30, 2011, 12:57

Quote from: KB on December 30, 2011, 12:32
Is there any data on how these same stats looked a year or two ago? I'd think the change from year to year would be even more interesting to see.

Check the Wayback Machine.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/

too bad it doesn´t work.. :/

RacePhoto · « **Reply #5 on:** December 30, 2011, 13:42 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 30, 2011, 13:03

Quote from: Karimala on December 30, 2011, 12:57
Quote from: KB on December 30, 2011, 12:32
Is there any data on how these same stats looked a year or two ago? I'd think the change from year to year would be even more interesting to see.

Check the Wayback Machine.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/

too bad it doesn´t work.. :/

n/a n/a n/a sure that works?

Well I happened to have my own version of the wayback machine...

Not a very good one, and I have posted messages before with these stats. (good luck?)

2008 November:

jpeg image hosting

KB · « **Reply #6 on:** December 30, 2011, 14:14 »

^Better than nothing!

So in a little over 3 years, the total # of contributors increased 154%. Base level contributors made up the bulk of that (of course), increasing by 205%. Bronze increased by 115%, Silver by 83%, Gold by 86%, Diamond by 122%, and Black Diamond by 350%.

I wonder how sales increased by comparison; too bad we can't get that kind of info.

Thanks, Race.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #7 on:** December 30, 2011, 14:39 »

Quote from: KB on December 30, 2011, 14:14

^Better than nothing!

So in a little over 3 years, the total # of contributors increased 154%. Base level contributors made up the bulk of that (of course), increasing by 205%. Bronze increased by 115%, Silver by 83%, Gold by 86%, Diamond by 122%, and Black Diamond by 350%.

I wonder how sales increased by comparison; too bad we can't get that kind of info.

Thanks, Race.

50 million to 115 million it looks like, although the new numbers could be much lower than actual since most sales numbers round down to the nearest 1000, 100, or 10

Karimala · « **Reply #8 on:** December 30, 2011, 15:04 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 30, 2011, 13:03

Quote from: Karimala on December 30, 2011, 12:57
Quote from: KB on December 30, 2011, 12:32
Is there any data on how these same stats looked a year or two ago? I'd think the change from year to year would be even more interesting to see.

Check the Wayback Machine.
http://wayback.archive.org/web/*/http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/

too bad it doesn´t work.. :/

That's strange. It works fine for me. You can go http://www.archive.org and enter http://istockcharts.multimedia.de/ in the search field. You'll find "snapshots" of iStockcharts dating all the way back to October 18, 2008.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #9 on:** December 30, 2011, 15:21 »

It doesn't work for me either. Can you get the total DLs for Dec. 2008, Dec. 2009, Dec. 2010?

Karimala · « **Reply #10 on:** December 30, 2011, 15:24 »

Well...for whatever reason nothing is coming up now. $:-\$ Data was there a minute ago!

Gannet77 · « **Reply #11 on:** December 30, 2011, 16:04 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on December 30, 2011, 15:21

It doesn't work for me either. Can you get the total DLs for Dec. 2008, Dec. 2009, Dec. 2010?

I can give you those.

Dec 31 2008 : 53777327
Dec 31 2009 : 74619764
Dec 31 2010 : 96371949

I keep records...

luissantos84 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 30, 2011, 16:11 »

delete please

luissantos84 · « **Reply #13 on:** December 30, 2011, 16:13 »

total sales

2009: 20842437
2010: 21752185
2011: 18466282 (today and tomorrow left) (-15%)

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #14 on:** December 30, 2011, 16:17 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 30, 2011, 16:11

total sales

2009: 20842437
2010: 21752185
2011: 18466282 (today and tomorrow left) (-15%)

Down 15% ... probably the first fall in iStock's history. While the number of contributors continues to rise and new collections are hiving off some of the cash.

That explains quite a lot, really.

pancaketom · « **Reply #15 on:** December 30, 2011, 16:31 »

I wonder how big the error bars are now that they are deliberately fuzzing the data (presumably so people can't keep track of actual sales numbers, since it doesn't do much to stop people from seeing what the popular images are to copy).

I remember they used to also spout numbers about x million $ paid out to contributors every week. Now they just assure us they pay out more than anyone else - I have also heard Fotolia say they have industry high commissions though...

gostwyck · « **Reply #16 on:** December 30, 2011, 16:47 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on December 30, 2011, 16:17

Down 15% ... probably the first fall in iStock's history. While the number of contributors continues to rise and new collections are hiving off some of the cash.

That explains quite a lot, really.

The 15% is obviously averaged over the entire year. I'd guess that the slide has actually been gradually accelerating. They were probably 'only' down say 5-10% at the beginning of the year but the last couple of months may have been 20% or more.

I think the slide originally began immediately after the RC announcement which is why they had to revise the RC targets downwards only 3-4 months after they had implemented them. I'd imagine that sales had always been increasing until Sep 2010.

It certainly expains the drastic measure of the new best match in a desperate attempt to prop up the sales of their exclusives. I wonder how much time it will buy them?

Gannet77 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 30, 2011, 16:56 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on December 30, 2011, 16:17

Quote from: luissantos84 on December 30, 2011, 16:11
total sales

2009: 20842437
2010: 21752185
2011: 18466282 (today and tomorrow left) (-15%)

Down 15% ... probably the first fall in iStock's history. While the number of contributors continues to rise and new collections are hiving off some of the cash.

That explains quite a lot, really.

But that's approximate downloads.

It's income that counts; for instance, my downloads for 2011 as compared to 2010 are down about 10%, but my income is UP 28%. And that's straight royalties, not counting ELs, PP, GI sales or referrals (not that I get all that much from those anyway).

Given that iStock now take more percentage wise from my sales than they did before, I would imagine they're doing better yet - and if their income is up over 28% in the last year, then reports of their imminent demise are somewhat premature.

aeonf · « **Reply #18 on:** December 30, 2011, 17:02 »

^^^
+1

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #19 on:** December 30, 2011, 17:11 »

Even if they have succeeded in pushing customers into paying more per download to compensate for falling sales, is it possible to imagine that next year they can repeat the trick?

And then do the same the next year and the one after?

This is where it is correct to use the word "unsustainable". You cannot endlessly increase prices to outpace a fall in sales, though maybe hiding the independent content is part of an attempt to do that.

gostwyck · « **Reply #20 on:** December 30, 2011, 17:11 »

Quote from: Gannet77 on December 30, 2011, 16:56

It's income that counts; for instance, my downloads for 2011 as compared to 2010 are down about 10%, but my income is UP 28%. And that's straight royalties, not counting ELs, PP, GI sales or referrals (not that I get all that much from those anyway).

Given that iStock now take more percentage wise from my sales than they did before, I would imagine they're doing better yet - and if their income is up over 28% in the last year, then reports of their imminent demise are somewhat premature.

Well my revenue is probably down about 20% compared to 2010. If Istock sales really are down 15% over the year and that decline continues at the same rate then by the end of 2012 they could be 40% down compared to the peak of 2010. That would be very serious.

Just how long do you reckon Istockphoto could keep growing 'income' whilst shedding sales at such an alarming rate?

traveler1116 · « **Reply #21 on:** December 30, 2011, 17:19 »

Quote from: gostwyck on December 30, 2011, 17:11

Well my revenue is probably down about 20% compared to 2010. If Istock sales really are down 15% over the year and that decline continues at the same rate then by the end of 2012 they could be 40% down compared to the peak of 2010. That would be very serious.

Just how long do you reckon Istockphoto could keep growing 'income' whilst shedding sales at such an alarming rate?

If you mean by "sales" DLs then its down but if you mean by "sales" amount of money spent on credits I would guess sales are up. I don't think anyone would argue all sales are equal (again if you mean DLs by "sales").

kelby · « **Reply #22 on:** December 30, 2011, 17:20 »

at the start of the year 2011 :

my data _

blackdiamond : 37
diamond : 774
gold : 1090
silver : 3180
bronze : 8064
base : 23079

total contributor : 36764 (less than the real effective number about 85000 now)
esclusive contributor : 5872
total files : 7479201

gostwyck · « **Reply #23 on:** December 30, 2011, 17:22 »

Quote from: traveler1116 on December 30, 2011, 17:19

Quote from: gostwyck on December 30, 2011, 17:11
Well my revenue is probably down about 20% compared to 2010. If Istock sales really are down 15% over the year and that decline continues at the same rate then by the end of 2012 they could be 40% down compared to the peak of 2010. That would be very serious.

Just how long do you reckon Istockphoto could keep growing 'income' whilst shedding sales at such an alarming rate?
If you mean by "sales" DLs then its down but if you mean by "sales" amount of money spent on credits I would guess sales are up. I don't think anyone would argue all sales are equal (again if you mean DLs by "sales").

If you read from the top of the thread we are discussing the sales numbers as revealed by the .de charts __ not turnover/revenue.

traveler1116 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 30, 2011, 17:23 »

Quote from: gostwyck on December 30, 2011, 17:22

Quote from: traveler1116 on December 30, 2011, 17:19
Quote from: gostwyck on December 30, 2011, 17:11
Well my revenue is probably down about 20% compared to 2010. If Istock sales really are down 15% over the year and that decline continues at the same rate then by the end of 2012 they could be 40% down compared to the peak of 2010. That would be very serious.

Just how long do you reckon Istockphoto could keep growing 'income' whilst shedding sales at such an alarming rate?
If you mean by "sales" DLs then its down but if you mean by "sales" amount of money spent on credits I would guess sales are up. I don't think anyone would argue all sales are equal (again if you mean DLs by "sales").

If you read from the top of the thread we are discussing the sales numbers as revealed by the .de charts __ not turnover/revenue.

I know but the price has increased a lot since 2008, a sale in 2008 doesn't equal a sale today at all. In the last year my RPD has increased by at least 30% and I have almost no Vetta and no Agency.

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Author Topic: End of Year IS review Statistics (Read 22137 times)

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Karimala

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BaldricksTrousers

pancaketom

gostwyck

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