I didnt, you need to stop accusing me dude. I only vote you down when you are being a troll and when I disagree with you.

Quote from: Ron on July 29, 2013, 14:52

I didnt, you need to stop accusing me dude. I only vote you down when you are being a troll and when I disagree with you.

Lol, there's only one.

One troll? Yes, you. I can add another vote down to prove it wasnt me.

Maybe an answer?
From MichaelJay using Google translate:
"For each image used was / is purchased an Extended License for Electronic templates. Since this deal by 1 & 1 is a very large customer of ours, we have of course given them a greater discount. Nevertheless, every photographer should get more money than it would correspond to approximately 30 individual sales for Webgr��en. Since the selection is quite large in images, the images should not show up on many more websites. As a photographer and a member of this before I find a good deal."

That was a post from 2010, and perhaps that is still the arrangement; but I think the new agreement which we had to agree to to make our files free for iS promotions came after that. I'm pretty sure it was after the RCs which was Sept 2010; Michael's post was a month before that.

Of course, it may be that Michael's information is still the case, in which case, probably fair enough.

NB, my CR ticket is about the 'unlimited use' phrasing. It's true that you have to agree to the terms, but it's a long scroll of dense legalese - who is going to read it? It says on the ad that you get unlimited use - why would a normal person, especially in the UK where we are very strict about truth in advertising, imagine that the T&C would say anything else?

Last week I was signing up to or for something, and I had to agree to the T&C (maybe it was wordpress, maybe something else) and down the left hand side there was dense legalese and on the right hand side there was a Plain English version which they said was legally valid, meaning the dense legalese couldn't be manipulated to contradict the Plain English version.

Honestly, I was banging on about Plain English versions of the ASAs and licence agreements almost as soon as I started iStock and got no backup. There are loads of contributors and buyers whose first language isn't any of the iS languages; and even for those who have more-or-less English as a mother tongue, Canadian legalese is not our normal vernacular.

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Well, if it is still that deal, then indeed an extended license was bought that should be in a range  that is similar to 30 websize sales. And he also presumes because it is a large group of images the individual files won't be "overused".

This would be a regular deal.

I thought it is something new and unpaid for like with Microsoft.

But why are the names lf the artists missing?

Not impressed, as usual, by Lobo's sarcastic tone and his totally inadequate answer:
"...a BD deal from 2010. The UNLIMITED USE ... is actually LIMITED to the fixed template sites."

What is BD?
Why does he say 'from 2010' though it is on their website right now?
How is anyone supposed to know that 'unlimited use' means "limited to the fixed template sites".
The ASA doesn't play, "guess what the advertiser was thinking".

Ow, pity you didn't ask about what contributors get paid for the free downloads. It would be good to get that cleared up.

I've lost the page where I could look through the 98 pics available for choosing on the UK site. However, I did notice one of those available was from ooyoo, whose work I generally admire a lot. I just checked and ooyoo is diamond, not Black Diamond, so BD must mean something different.

http://www.istockphoto.com/imageoffer.php?lpid=iw2010&page=1
fotosipsak is also a diamond.

Free usage for users should require an extended license for electronic resale (templates, etc.).  But of course, they likely offered them a great deal for a "small" collection for the "publicity".  To draw people in with things like this (which do not mention any free images):
http://www.1and1.com/details-istockphoto
http://www.istockphoto.com/1and1
http://faq.1and1.co.uk/website_building/1.html

i think last month i've seen the same with GoDaddy and their SiteBuilder.

i guess they fit the bill as "bulk deals" so agencies give them complete freedom about usage.

According to the Lobo its limited use and not complete freedom

That may be what Lobo thinks, but it's not what it says on the page, so not 'honest' or 'truthful', as there are no conditions attached to the 'unlimited', so it's a form of bait-and-switch.

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Quote from: ShadySue on July 31, 2013, 03:28

Quote from: Ron on July 31, 2013, 02:32

According to the Lobo its limited use and not complete freedom

That may be what Lobo thinks, but it's not what it says on the page, so not 'honest' or 'truthful', as there are no conditions attached to the 'unlimited', so it's a form of bait-and-switch.

It only says unlimited on the 1and1 website, the same promotion from Istock doesn't say that at all and each image that gets downloaded can only be done after agreeing to the terms.  It looks to me like it's 1and1 promoting something that it really can't and the fault is with their promotion.

According to Lobo, that deal has been going on since 2010. You'd think iStock might have asked them to change their wording by now. We know that iStock can't keep to any sort of given timescale [1], but three years should be plenty time to get their partner to tell the truth. If they actually care.

And as for Lobo's 'word':
LLMillerMedia:
"Lobo, as far as updates on new features are concerned, (as mentioned above) when does the next newsletter come out?"

Lobo:
"I should have something together for before the end of the July. That said, some features will be launched before hand. ..."

Krakozawr (yesterday):
"The end of the July is tomorrow, right? "

Lobo:
"It's looking more likely to be early August."

http://www.istockphoto.com/forum_messages.php?threadid=354349&messageid=6921780

Tous les jours, il dit la m�me chose; and most of it, you'd better not believe.

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the guy is a complete tool.

THE LOBO: Oh please. If you actually spent more time uploading content and less time finding a reason to point out how I was hurting feelings you might have more than 37 files uploaded since May 2012. If you are here to just opine on the state of the industry without actually participating in it you can expect I will provide feedback reflective of your investment.

We spend a lot of time responding to the folks who only come in here to troll. It's part of the risks in having public forums, but it's not exactly a new environment.