Author Topic: Сontrolled vocabulary (CV) Istock (Read 1639 times)

Sergstoki · « **on:** December 16, 2024, 11:16 »

Hello guys,

Maybe someone know where can find Istock controlled vocabulary (CV)? Maybe somewhere can download this vocabulary?

Grenar · « **Reply #1 on:** December 16, 2024, 11:24 »

This would be very useful indeed. Preparing your keywords before, not having to guess or remember the right one...

ShadySue · « **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2024, 19:46 »

Quote from: Sergstoki on December 16, 2024, 11:16

Hello guys,

Maybe someone know where can find Istock controlled vocabulary (CV)? Maybe somewhere can download this vocabulary?

I'm pretty certain it's not generally available.

I don't use it myself to upload (it has some fun features, though), but some people find it easier to upload using Deep Meta, which can help with CV terms and disambiguating, apparently.

zeljkok · « **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2024, 22:14 »

Quite honestly, do not bother. IS managed keyword concept is ridiculous. It just makes your metadata non-portable; you have to maintain one set of Metadata for IS, second for everyone else.

Just write down in text editor comma separated list of keywords that best describe your asset, then copy and paste. "Non recognized" keywords are still indexed , just not expanded into whatever they do in the back end. Their customer support once told me so. In other words if have keyword "Landscape" they want instead "Landscape - Scenery", which presumably in the back end expands into "Landscape", "Scenery" and whatever else. Only "Landscape" will not be expanded into anything, but still indexed which is all that matters.

Sergstoki · « **Reply #4 on:** December 19, 2024, 04:20 »

Quote from: zeljkok on December 17, 2024, 22:14

Quite honestly, do not bother. IS managed keyword concept is ridiculous. It just makes your metadata non-portable; you have to maintain one set of Metadata for IS, second for everyone else.

Just write down in text editor comma separated list of keywords that best describe your asset, then copy and paste. "Non recognized" keywords are still indexed , just not expanded into whatever they do in the back end. Their customer support once told me so. In other words if have keyword "Landscape" they want instead "Landscape - Scenery", which presumably in the back end expands into "Landscape", "Scenery" and whatever else. Only "Landscape" will not be expanded into anything, but still indexed which is all that matters.

That is, there is no particular point in clicking the checkboxes; all words from keywords still participate in the search? Have you tested this in practice?

synthetick · « **Reply #5 on:** December 19, 2024, 04:47 »

Hasn't iStock said that if you don't disambiguate the kw's they won't be translated into other languages and you could therefore be missing out on a lot of sales from non-English speaking regions.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #6 on:** December 19, 2024, 14:30 »

Quote from: synthetick on December 19, 2024, 04:47

Hasn't iStock said that if you don't disambiguate the kw's they won't be translated into other languages and you could therefore be missing out on a lot of sales from non-English speaking regions.

I believe you are correct.

Quote from: Sergstoki on December 16, 2024, 11:16

Hello guys,

Maybe someone know where can find Istock controlled vocabulary (CV)? Maybe somewhere can download this vocabulary?

Didn't you get the study guide and dictionary when you signed up for iStock.

Here's some good reading: https://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/intro_to_vocabs.pdf

And here's the Getty Vocabulary, which will make some people say "I'm sorry I asked"? It is open source.

https://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/index.html

zeljkok · « **Reply #7 on:** December 19, 2024, 15:14 »

Quote from: Sergstoki on December 19, 2024, 04:20

That is, there is no particular point in clicking the checkboxes; all words from keywords still participate in the search? Have you tested this in practice?

Exactly. Trying to map into "supported" keyword only makes your metadata non-portable. In addition in many cases if you leave them out because of not being "recognized" it will make you lose most significant description of your asset - best example are geographic terms, for which they have only small fraction in their dictionary.

Once again, managed keywords are waste of time. Consult IS dictionary only as reminder of something you might have forgotten while writing down in text editor comma separated list, which you then simply copy and paste everywhere

wds · « **Reply #8 on:** December 19, 2024, 22:57 »

The CV is very frustrating if you are uploading editorial and they don't have the name of a store or business....and that happens a lot.

zeljkok · « **Reply #9 on:** December 20, 2024, 03:29 »

Quote from: wds on December 19, 2024, 22:57

The CV is very frustrating if you are uploading editorial and they don't have the name of a store or business....and that happens a lot.

That's another example. Just leave it, it will still get indexed which is all you care about

Managed keyword concept is incredibly dumb. Capturing entire dictionary of modern language is virtually impossible. No wonder nobody else is doing it. If this idea had any worth to it, rest assured Adobe would be doing something similar on their platform

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #10 on:** December 20, 2024, 13:35 »

Quote from: zeljkok on December 20, 2024, 03:29

Quote from: wds on December 19, 2024, 22:57
The CV is very frustrating if you are uploading editorial and they don't have the name of a store or business....and that happens a lot.

That's another example. Just leave it, it will still get indexed which is all you care about

Managed keyword concept is incredibly dumb. Capturing entire dictionary of modern language is virtually impossible. No wonder nobody else is doing it. If this idea had any worth to it, rest assured Adobe would be doing something similar on their platform

If you followed the links I included, you will see, this isn't for us or stock photos, it's for large archives. The idea is something like taxonomy, in that, you can't include everything, but you need relationships, groups, and names. There's a conformity that's supposed to make things less confusing and more organized.

I don't think CV makes sense for our use or stock photos. But that's what Getty decided as they are running a huge archive, that needs to be searched. One thing, maybe, it does cut down on spam and useless words?

zeljkok · « **Reply #11 on:** December 20, 2024, 13:57 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 20, 2024, 13:35

But that's what Getty decided as they are running a huge archive, that needs to be searched. One thing, maybe, it does cut down on spam and useless words?

It does exactly the opposite - increases the spam. I'll give you couple of examples. I shoot lots of landscapes and panoramas, specially in the fall. Some of my standard keywords are "Panoramic" and "Autumn". I know customers are typing this in searches based on Alamy Measures. But IS doesn't recognize these (

? - same as just with "Landscape"). So couple of times in the past, when I didn't know that recognized words are still indexed, I clicked on "Panoramic Egg" and "Autumn Fashion Collection" as replacement -- thinking "Autumn" and "Panoramic" words will still be there. Result: Total spam (Which on top, I'd need to open the ticket, if I want to modify!!). It would maybe work if part of review process was to check every single keyword, but that would require workforce larger than Apple and Google combined.

Managed Keywords is perfect example of bloated design. Unnecessary batches with artificial limit of 100 images, inability to modify keywords after submission (

? why if they are not reviewed at all

?), ticket system requiring who knows how many man hours (cost), statements once a month (when everyone else does it in real time), list goes on. This was likely designed by same person and now it's a monster that's near impossible to replace. It's one of largest reasons why contributors rate is pitiful 15%, because $$ has to be spent in platform maintenance.

wds · « **Reply #12 on:** December 20, 2024, 14:33 »

The inability to modify keywords, descriptions etc. after submission is very annoying. If you discover a "typo" after submission, you have to generate a ticket to get it corrected.

zeljkok · « **Reply #13 on:** December 20, 2024, 20:44 »

Quote from: wds on December 20, 2024, 14:33

The inability to modify keywords, descriptions etc. after submission is very annoying. If you discover a "typo" after submission, you have to generate a ticket to get it corrected.

Exactly. Happens to everyone I'm pretty sure. And then "open the ticket". Why, oh why?? If part of acceptance criteria included strict keyword check, I'd be all for it. But no, you can submit photo of Eiffel Tower with "Green Elephant" keyword, it goes through.

It's just platform rigidity that makes no sense to anyone except maybe the guy that originally designed it, and now likely gone. Another nonsense is "Deep Meta" - heavy, monolithic Microsoft.NET standalone app, likely a nightmare from source code standpoint. IS already has Web Front End, that more or less does the job. Absolutely no need for Deep Meta, except maybe to keep the guy that works on it employed.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #14 on:** December 21, 2024, 13:52 »

Quote from: wds on December 20, 2024, 14:33

The inability to modify keywords, descriptions etc. after submission is very annoying. If you discover a "typo" after submission, you have to generate a ticket to get it corrected.

And after you write, more than once, the spelling error remains unchanged for years. I used to try to add words to the CV, there's a contact for that. Not worth the time.

Quote from: zeljkok on December 20, 2024, 20:44

It's just platform rigidity that makes no sense to anyone except maybe the guy that originally designed it, and now likely gone. Another nonsense is "Deep Meta" - heavy, monolithic Microsoft.NET standalone app, likely a nightmare from source code standpoint. IS already has Web Front End, that more or less does the job. Absolutely no need for Deep Meta, except maybe to keep the guy that works on it employed.

Deepmeta is the answer to the IS system that's worse and doesn't work and doesn't give us stats. There is also Qhero https://qhero.com/ if you want another. But here's what works for stats. https://deepmeta.creativ.zone/

The problem is Getty and their system of cataloging everything. That's where CV came from. CV is not something that someone at IS just dreamed up to make everything convoluted and impossible. It's a cataloging system, used by large archives, museums and research facilities.

I didn't say it was good for stock, in facts it's terrible for the application, for us and for customers. But that's what it is and why Getty chose it.

https://www.getty.edu/research/tools/vocabularies/index.html

zeljkok · « **Reply #15 on:** December 21, 2024, 14:13 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 21, 2024, 13:52

Deepmeta is the answer to the IS system that's worse and doesn't work and doesn't give us stats. There is also Qhero https://qhero.com/ if you want another. But here's what works for stats. https://deepmeta.creativ.zone/

Yes. Stats reporting is great example of something that was conceived very poorly in the beginning, and now just getting hacked over and over. Building 20th floor of a highrise that rests on rotten soil. IS Platform should be taught at college level software design courses as example now NOT to do things.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #16 on:** December 22, 2024, 14:46 »

Quote from: zeljkok on December 21, 2024, 14:13

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 21, 2024, 13:52
Deepmeta is the answer to the IS system that's worse and doesn't work and doesn't give us stats. There is also Qhero https://qhero.com/ if you want another. But here's what works for stats. https://deepmeta.creativ.zone/

Yes. Stats reporting is great example of something that was conceived very poorly in the beginning, and now just getting hacked over and over. Building 20th floor of a highrise that rests on rotten soil. IS Platform should be taught at college level software design courses as example now NOT to do things.

tätarätä · « **Reply #17 on:** December 22, 2024, 17:31 »

Quote from: Sergstoki on December 16, 2024, 11:16

Hello guys,

Maybe someone know where can find Istock controlled vocabulary (CV)? Maybe somewhere can download this vocabulary?

Long time ago i was exclusive at istock.
At this time i built an istock CV for LR.
Don't know if it works nowadays. I just copied the keywords from Deep Meta and paste it on a text file, csv type.
This file can be imported in LR. Nothing else to do.

Sergstoki · « **Reply #18 on:** December 23, 2024, 15:23 »

Quote from: tätarätä on December 22, 2024, 17:31

Quote from: Sergstoki on December 16, 2024, 11:16
Hello guys,

Maybe someone know where can find Istock controlled vocabulary (CV)? Maybe somewhere can download this vocabulary?
Long time ago i was exclusive at istock.
At this time i built an istock CV for LR.
Don't know if it works nowadays. I just copied the keywords from Deep Meta and paste it on a text file, csv type.
This file can be imported in LR. Nothing else to do.

What is LR?

tätarätä · « **Reply #19 on:** December 23, 2024, 16:38 »

Lightroom, i do keywording in Lightroom.

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