Author Topic: The end of QuickTime PhotoJPEG?? (Read 24789 times)

TSLphoto · « **Reply #25 on:** February 11, 2018, 15:12 »

Google "AnotherGUI", works well for converting to almost any format including many ProRes formats. It uses FFMPEG and I've never had any issues uploading 4k ProRes files that have been converted.

Quote from: RAW on February 11, 2018, 14:16

Quote from: Orchidpoet on February 11, 2018, 14:06
Why is there an assumption PC cannot do ProRes? All my clips are ProRes and processed on a PC.

You just have to shop for the right software.

Do you upload 4K video to Getty/iStock via ESP?

From what I can tell all PC software the says it can create ProRes uses FFMPEG. What software are you using if it's not FFMPEG?
FFMPEG is not very good at creating 4K video and they often fail for technical reasons on the Getty ESP.

As far as ESP goes, 4K for Getty/iStock are the same price as HD, why bother even uploading in 4k?

Orchidpoet · « **Reply #26 on:** February 11, 2018, 16:31 »

I use VideoMach, it's not free. No problem with 4K, importing or exporting. However, I don't upload video to Getty.

StockbyNumbers · « **Reply #27 on:** February 11, 2018, 16:33 »

Looks pretty good for $60. Thanks for sending the recommendation. Will have to give it a try.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #28 on:** February 11, 2018, 16:34 »

Here's the list from Adobe... so it sounds like you can still import and work with PhotoJPEG (Unless that means Motion JPEG - it just says JPEG) you just can't output to it. So it shouldn't be an issue for existing files on the marketplace if buyers can still work with them... as long as Adobe continue providing that native support.

DNxHD would be a pretty good option for PC users until a reliable and consistent way to render ProRes on PC's come about. Not aware of any agencies that take it... but they'll have to look at the options at some point.

Not seeing an H.264 export on there which is interesting.

Native Video Import:

* DNxHD/DNxHR

* JPEG

* PNG

* ProRes

* Cineform

* DV

* AVCI

* h264

* IMX

* MPEG2

* HDV

* HEVC

* XDCAM

* Uncompressed

* Animation (without delta frames)

Native Audio Import:

* Uncompressed

* AAC

* AC3

Native Video Export:

* Uncompressed

* DV

* Cineform

* DNxHD/DNxHR

* Animation

* ProRes (Mac only)

StockbyNumbers · « **Reply #29 on:** February 11, 2018, 16:55 »

Really strange that h.264 or h.265 aren't on there.

+1 to DNxHR

RAW · « **Reply #30 on:** February 11, 2018, 17:41 »

Quote from: TSLphoto on February 11, 2018, 15:12

Google "AnotherGUI", works well for converting to almost any format including many ProRes formats. It uses FFMPEG and I've never had any issues uploading 4k ProRes files that have been converted.

Quote from: RAW on February 11, 2018, 14:16
Quote from: Orchidpoet on February 11, 2018, 14:06
Why is there an assumption PC cannot do ProRes? All my clips are ProRes and processed on a PC.

You just have to shop for the right software.

Do you upload 4K video to Getty/iStock via ESP?

From what I can tell all PC software the says it can create ProRes uses FFMPEG. What software are you using if it's not FFMPEG?
FFMPEG is not very good at creating 4K video and they often fail for technical reasons on the Getty ESP.

As far as ESP goes, 4K for Getty/iStock are the same price as HD, why bother even uploading in 4k?

I only upload to Getty not iStock. 4K is different ($575) depending on your deal.

RAW · « **Reply #31 on:** February 11, 2018, 17:43 »

Quote from: Orchidpoet on February 11, 2018, 16:31

I use VideoMach, it's not free. No problem with 4K, importing or exporting. However, I don't upload video to Getty.

VideoMach uses FFMPEG.
Stay away if you want to upload 4K to ESP. It will cause you problems.

Getty went back to accepting PhotoJPEG on their ESP because PC based artists were having too many problems with FFMPEG.

DallasP · « **Reply #32 on:** February 12, 2018, 18:06 »

Solution: Don't update premiere.

jamesbenet · « **Reply #33 on:** February 28, 2018, 02:10 »

I'm not updating Premiere or After Effects. Agencies should really get together and have a workflow for PC users who are probably the majority of their contributors. Is h.264 maximum quality as good as PJPEG? I have never seen this as the case while transcoding.

ccbcc · « **Reply #34 on:** February 28, 2018, 05:55 »

Quote from: jamesbenet on February 28, 2018, 02:10

I'm not updating Premiere or After Effects. Agencies should really get together and have a workflow for PC users who are probably the majority of their contributors. Is h.264 maximum quality as good as PJPEG? I have never seen this as the case while transcoding.

They both suck. PhotoJPEG has banding issues with gradients.
h264 throws out so much data which only becomes apparent if your client wants to do color grading or vfx/compositing. Even at max quality because 4:2:0 chroma subsampling. In short, it's a great delivery codec, but it's not a great editing codec.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #35 on:** February 28, 2018, 05:58 »

Exactly, use 10-bit codecs if you do any kind of editing of your clips at all.

Video-StockOrg · « **Reply #36 on:** February 28, 2018, 05:59 »

Quote from: DallasP on February 12, 2018, 18:06

Solution: Don't update premiere.

We already had to downgrade Adobe to 2017 version because the newest version is so half-assed done that it destroyed our workflow.

seamless · « **Reply #37 on:** February 28, 2018, 06:59 »

Quicktime with photoJPEGs at 100% is great for cross-platform VJ-ing.
You decode on a per frame basis and since it is at 100% settings there is only entropic decoding to be done.
The makers of Resolume Arena advise to use QT with photoJPEG at 100% instead of their own dedicated codec when there is a chance you're going to use a clip with other software than just Resolume.

For submitting to agencies and editing I use ProRes solely though.