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gillian vann · « **Reply #75 on:** July 21, 2013, 17:56 »

Quote from: farbled on July 20, 2013, 18:08

Thought I'd chime in now as a hobbyist AND one that specializes in rare earth minerals and geology (Since it came up. I think there might be others, but I don't know of any). The really fun part about not being dependent on MS for my living is that I can try various avenues for my images, whether RM, speciality sites catering to only industrial, MS and self-hosting. I can tell you from doing this part-time for the last 6 years is that most of the suppositions made earlier are incorrect. I have researched and tried all available avenues that I've been able to find and I am pleased with the return on my time investment (my gear was bought and paid for by other photographic business, as was finding my subjects for my niche market).

For me, MS was, is and always will be a quick and easy way for me to make extra money on photos that otherwise would sit on my hard drive after they were paid for.

Yes, some are very rare. But you have to ask that if very few buyers want them, how many is very few? 10? 100? 1000? What makes it worth it to a hobbyist? I strongly suspect you'd be shocked what one of my all time best sellers is (not gold), and who consistently buys it. I'm not exclusive but I am not on many sites anymore because I can't be bothered with low returning ones (including Alamy, they don't have buyers in my niche). I'm leaning more towards my Symbiostock site and if/once I generate enough sales through my marketing efforts, I'll move them there exclusively.

All that aside, it's a terrible niche, not worth anyone else trying it or giving it another thought.

ditto.

grsphoto · « **Reply #76 on:** July 21, 2013, 19:53 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 20, 2013, 16:58

I wonder what is included in the 2k euro shoot

- 100 eur per hour / model?
- how many people working on the pictures beside the photographer(s)?
- studio rent, electricity, water?
- lighting equipment?
- insurance?
- computer, monitors, photoshop?

http://peopleimages.grsphoto.ca/wp/image/christmas-lady-pin-up/

The budget for this image was between 3 & 5K CDN ( can't remember exact amounts..it was years ago)

Model $600-800 ( full buy out)
Set design build, prop rental... $800- 1200
Makeup, hair, wigs.... $500
Stylist ( clothing) .... $500
studio rental...... 2 days $500
Post production ( Photo shop)... $100
Catering, assistants misc.... $400

luissantos84 · « **Reply #77 on:** July 21, 2013, 20:04 »

Quote from: grsphoto on July 21, 2013, 19:53

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 20, 2013, 16:58
I wonder what is included in the 2k euro shoot

- 100 eur per hour / model?
- how many people working on the pictures beside the photographer(s)?
- studio rent, electricity, water?
- lighting equipment?
- insurance?
- computer, monitors, photoshop?

http://peopleimages.grsphoto.ca/wp/image/christmas-lady-pin-up/

The budget for this image was between 3 & 5K CDN ( can't remember exact amounts..it was years ago)

Model $600-800 ( full buy out)
Set design build, prop rental... $800- 1200
Makeup, hair, wigs.... $500
Stylist ( clothing) .... $500
studio rental...... 2 days $500
Post production ( Photo shop)... $100
Catering, assistants misc.... $400

you know how to spend money, guess we all do but looks like a little too much...

anyway you have an interesting domain name

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #78 on:** July 21, 2013, 20:16 »

Neat image, but no way that was worth it, for micro, anyways.

I spent about $3k on my airport shoot in January. Think I've sold one or two from that, lol.

grsphoto · « **Reply #79 on:** July 21, 2013, 20:38 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 21, 2013, 20:04

Quote from: grsphoto on July 21, 2013, 19:53
Quote from: luissantos84 on July 20, 2013, 16:58
I wonder what is included in the 2k euro shoot

- 100 eur per hour / model?
- how many people working on the pictures beside the photographer(s)?
- studio rent, electricity, water?
- lighting equipment?
- insurance?
- computer, monitors, photoshop?

http://peopleimages.grsphoto.ca/wp/image/christmas-lady-pin-up/

The budget for this image was between 3 & 5K CDN ( can't remember exact amounts..it was years ago)

Model $600-800 ( full buy out)
Set design build, prop rental... $800- 1200
Makeup, hair, wigs.... $500
Stylist ( clothing) .... $500
studio rental...... 2 days $500
Post production ( Photo shop)... $100
Catering, assistants misc.... $400

you know how to spend money, guess we all do but looks like a little too much...

anyway you have an interesting domain name

This was for a calendar series, client paid for 12 images like this... and 12 the year after.... until now not offered for stock.

ShadySue · « **Reply #80 on:** July 21, 2013, 20:39 »

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on July 21, 2013, 20:16

Neat image, but no way that was worth it, for micro, anyways.

I spent about $3k on my airport shoot in January. Think I've sold one or two from that, lol.

I'm astonished it cost you so little, but that very shoot was the one I imagined might pay for itself as renting part of an airport is something that's only possible for a very few people. Hopefully over time.

w7lwi · « **Reply #81 on:** July 21, 2013, 21:21 »

Quote from: grsphoto on July 21, 2013, 20:38

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 21, 2013, 20:04
Quote from: grsphoto on July 21, 2013, 19:53
Quote from: luissantos84 on July 20, 2013, 16:58
I wonder what is included in the 2k euro shoot

- 100 eur per hour / model?
- how many people working on the pictures beside the photographer(s)?
- studio rent, electricity, water?
- lighting equipment?
- insurance?
- computer, monitors, photoshop?

http://peopleimages.grsphoto.ca/wp/image/christmas-lady-pin-up/

The budget for this image was between 3 & 5K CDN ( can't remember exact amounts..it was years ago)

Model $600-800 ( full buy out)
Set design build, prop rental... $800- 1200
Makeup, hair, wigs.... $500
Stylist ( clothing) .... $500
studio rental...... 2 days $500
Post production ( Photo shop)... $100
Catering, assistants misc.... $400

you know how to spend money, guess we all do but looks like a little too much...

anyway you have an interesting domain name

This was for a calendar series, client paid for 12 images like this... and 12 the year after.... until now not offered for stock.

It's a beautiful image. At first I thought your watermark was a series of bubbles floating in the air. Then I realized they were not, but it's an idea if you wanted to add something like that in, possibly for use in stock if you wanted to offer it as such.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #82 on:** July 22, 2013, 02:16 »

Quote from: grsphoto on July 21, 2013, 19:53

Quote from: luissantos84 on July 20, 2013, 16:58
I wonder what is included in the 2k euro shoot

- 100 eur per hour / model?
- how many people working on the pictures beside the photographer(s)?
- studio rent, electricity, water?
- lighting equipment?
- insurance?
- computer, monitors, photoshop?

http://peopleimages.grsphoto.ca/wp/image/christmas-lady-pin-up/

The budget for this image was between 3 & 5K CDN ( can't remember exact amounts..it was years ago)

Model $600-800 ( full buy out)
Set design build, prop rental... $800- 1200
Makeup, hair, wigs.... $500
Stylist ( clothing) .... $500
studio rental...... 2 days $500
Post production ( Photo shop)... $100
Catering, assistants misc.... $400

I take it that was for the entire calendar, not for just one shot in it?

Obviously, there's a huge difference between doing a job at a known rate, when everything is budgeted against a known return, and shooting any sort of stock where the return is unknowable.

gillian vann · « **Reply #83 on:** July 22, 2013, 04:36 »

post production, which no doubt ran into more hours than the actual shoot, is very cheap!

grsphoto · « **Reply #84 on:** July 22, 2013, 06:44 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on July 22, 2013, 02:16

I take it that was for the entire calendar, not for just one shot in it?

Obviously, there's a huge difference between doing a job at a known rate, when everything is budgeted against a known return, and shooting any sort of stock where the return is unknowable.

No this budget was per shot.

The budget for photography was a small percentage of the overall project budget. The client was a printing company who wanted to show the quality of it's new printing presses. It was a fun project, but the stress of having to produce was very high.

Quote from: gillian on July 22, 2013, 04:36

post production, which no doubt ran into more hours than the actual shoot, is very cheap!

The shoot with hair and makeup was about 6 hours.... post production 15 minutes ( some colour adjustments) I like to get it right in camera.

I posted this because someone asked what a $K image looked like. I doubt I would put this money out myself for stock. The returns