Author Topic: Watermarkremover, All the possibilities to be lazy offered to thieves (Read 6373 times)

DiscreetDuck · « **on:** March 20, 2023, 05:07 »

-https://www.watermarkremover.io/-

AI, will always be there for the good of all... $:-\$

« [...] WatermarkRemover.io is an AI-powered tool that automatically removes translucent watermarks from images in a matter of seconds. We allow people from all over the world to benefit from the strength of our product for both personal and professional purposes. [...]
[...] Yes, WatermarkRemover.io is completely free for images processed on our website for personal use [...]
[...] Users of this app are solely responsible for any claims, damages, cost, expenses, suits, etc. brought by any third party pertaining to the usage of the resulting images with the watermarks removed. [...] »

gameover · « **Reply #1 on:** March 20, 2023, 06:53 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 20, 2023, 05:07

-https://www.watermarkremover.io/-

AI, will always be there for the good of all... $:-\$

« [...] WatermarkRemover.io is an AI-powered tool that automatically removes translucent watermarks from images in a matter of seconds. We allow people from all over the world to benefit from the strength of our product for both personal and professional purposes. [...]
[...] Yes, WatermarkRemover.io is completely free for images processed on our website for personal use [...]
[...] Users of this app are solely responsible for any claims, damages, cost, expenses, suits, etc. brought by any third party pertaining to the usage of the resulting images with the watermarks removed. [...] »

I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself

Brasilnut · « **Reply #2 on:** March 20, 2023, 07:47 »

Here's a potentially profitable business model.

Put up your images on your website in high resolution with a clear watermark, then chase thieves asking for damages and threats of legal action, etc. I know a certain photographer that earns more from doing that than actual sales.

Sad way to live though imo.

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #3 on:** March 21, 2023, 03:28 »

Quote from: gameover on March 20, 2023, 06:53

I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself

Gameover, You would see the advantages of dropping an atomic bomb, because it can also regulate the proliferation of bacteria...?

Well, I am surprised, no particular reaction against this here.
My point is if you want to sell by yourself, you don't use AI to produce received images. Steal one picture, it's bad. Steal thousands like does Deep learning methods: oh, it's good... Mediocre photographers can now feel like artists thanks to AI, while destroying the incoming of traditional artists.

gameover · « **Reply #4 on:** March 21, 2023, 04:19 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 03:28

Quote from: gameover on March 20, 2023, 06:53
I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself
Gameover, You would see the advantages of dropping an atomic bomb, because it can also regulate the proliferation of bacteria...?
Well, I am surprised, no particular reaction against this here.
My point is if you want to sell by yourself, you don't use AI to produce received images. Steal one picture, it's bad. Steal thousands like does Deep learning methods: oh, it's good... Mediocre photographers can now feel like artists thanks to AI, while destroying the incoming of traditional artists.

Hi DiscreetDuck, you might want to deepen your understanding about how deep learning works - painting the Tour Eiffel on canvas and infringing a hypothetical copyright by Eng. Gustave Eiffel are two pretty different things

However I appreciated your sense of humor

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #5 on:** March 21, 2023, 05:48 »

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 04:19

Hi DiscreetDuck, you might want to deepen your understanding about how deep learning works - painting the Tour Eiffel on canvas and infringing a hypothetical copyright by Eng. Gustave Eiffel are two pretty different things
However I appreciated your sense of humor

Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!

There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...

gameover · « **Reply #6 on:** March 21, 2023, 10:08 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 05:48

Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...

Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try

You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #7 on:** March 21, 2023, 10:59 »

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 10:08

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 05:48
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)

Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn’t there — and finding it."

gameover · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2023, 11:47 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 10:59

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 10:08
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 05:48
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)

Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn’t there — and finding it."

I love your wise composed posts, sort of find them balmy

First time I run into your quote from Einstein - just GREAT!!!

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2023, 11:57 »

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 11:47

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 10:59
Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 10:08
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 05:48
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)

Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn’t there — and finding it."

I love your wise composed posts, sort of find them balmy

First time I run into your quote from Einstein - just GREAT!!!

I was abducted by aliens at a very young age, but not finding any intelligent life, they sent me back, only slightly modified. I'm still trying to assimilate with Earthlings and learn the ways here. I'm adapting to how people on this planet intake consumables. You get the Point?

gameover · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2023, 12:11 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 11:57

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 11:47
Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 10:59
Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 10:08
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 05:48
Gameover is for me, since english is not the language for my native and living country. Your answer clearly shows that the understanding of my speech is not there, it does not matter. And you would like to teach me? But what do you know of my knowledge? You're assuming I'm ignorant? but I leave you the right to live in the imagination that suits you. See, here you are creative!
There is less creativity than recycling with the AI. But well, maybe it's good for the planet, who knows...
Well, I'm no native English speaker either, I just strive to make myself understood - it's easy enough, just try
You have an advantage over me: all I know about you is what I can guess from your posts. And yes, judging by them it seems to me that occasionally you might profit from a bit of elucidation...
However you too seem to have a lot of imagination, in particular while spotting black cats which aren't there in a dark room at midnight (I think it was Darwin who coined it)

Well that's a good one, because I'm sure everyone here is against this, but just because we didn't jump up and say so, someone else shouldn't assume, we aren't against AI removing watermarks or thieves. And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Just because we didn't join in to the DescreetDuck Discussion, don't mean anyone here supports image theft.

Many different sources and authors and not absolute, reliable answer.

"Theology
A blind man in a dark room searching for a black cat which isn’t there — and finding it."

I love your wise composed posts, sort of find them balmy

First time I run into your quote from Einstein - just GREAT!!!

I was abducted by aliens at a very young age, but not finding any intelligent life, they sent me back, only slightly modified. I'm still trying to assimilate with Earthlings and learn the ways here. I'm adapting to how people on this planet intake consumables. You get the Point?

perfectly

(AI generated - not for human consumption)

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2023, 12:10 »

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 12:11

perfectly

(AI generated - not for human consumption)

I'll say something before the gloom and doom naysayers get into their rhythm. I don't like the weave of napkin...

The basil has some flaws and there's not enough cheese.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2023, 13:17 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 23, 2023, 12:10

Quote from: gameover on March 21, 2023, 12:11

perfectly

(AI generated - not for human consumption)

I'll say something before the gloom and doom naysayers get into their rhythm. I don't like the weave of napkin... The basil has some flaws and there's not enough cheese.

I think it's perfect!

Mantis · « **Reply #13 on:** March 24, 2023, 05:48 »

I can't wait until AI is smart enough to build a tomato isolated on white

ravens · « **Reply #14 on:** March 24, 2023, 10:01 »

Great post, DiscreetDuck!

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 21, 2023, 03:28

Quote from: gameover on March 20, 2023, 06:53
I used these websites for test purpose to build a watermark not easy to remove. The key is that it has to merge with the design. You can use these websites to your advantage too, if you want to sell by yourself
Gameover, You would see the advantages of dropping an atomic bomb, because it can also regulate the proliferation of bacteria...?
Well, I am surprised, no particular reaction against this here.
My point is if you want to sell by yourself, you don't use AI to produce received images. Steal one picture, it's bad. Steal thousands like does Deep learning methods: oh, it's good... Mediocre photographers can now feel like artists thanks to AI, while destroying the incoming of traditional artists.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #15 on:** March 24, 2023, 10:47 »

Quote from: Mantis on March 24, 2023, 05:48

I can't wait until AI is smart enough to build a tomato isolated on white

About time you say?

Quote from: SVH on March 23, 2023, 13:17

I think it's perfect!

More cheese, more cheese, dripping ricotta!

gameover · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2023, 12:38 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 24, 2023, 10:47

Quote from: SVH on March 23, 2023, 13:17
I think it's perfect!

More cheese, more cheese, dripping ricotta!

Ricotta???

Béchamel !!!

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #17 on:** March 24, 2023, 14:56 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 10:59

[...] And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

OH, Einstein is a so good choice!!
Sorry but please, don't show a drop when you speak about ocean!! And your choice was so empty!!
Here are the quotes I prefer from him, more representative content, gameover will (I hope) continue to enjoy:

♥ “Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity”
♥ “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”
♥ “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.”
♥ “We are slowed down sound and light waves, a walking bundle of frequencies tuned into the cosmos. We are souls dressed up in sacred biochemical garments and our bodies are the instruments through which our souls play their music.”
♥ “It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.”
♥ “Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal.”
♥ “One day the machines will be able to solve all the problems, but none of them will ever be able to pose one.”
♥ “The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”
♥ “In order to be an immaculate member of a flock of sheep, one must above all, be a sheep.”
♥ “A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.”
♥ “The possession of marvellous means of production has brought care and hunger instead of freedom”
♥ “Don't listen to the person who has the answers; listen to the person who has the questions.”
♥ “Force always attracts men of low morality.”
♥ “Everything you can imagine, nature has already created.”
♥ “I never made one of my discoveries through the process of rational thinking”
♥ “Nothing causes more consternation in a group of hypocrits than one honest man.”

gameover · « **Reply #18 on:** March 24, 2023, 15:54 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 24, 2023, 14:56

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 21, 2023, 10:59
[...] And if you want an Einstein quote for that, "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
OH, Einstein is a so good choice!!
Sorry but please, don't show a drop when you speak about ocean!! And your choice was so empty!!
Here are the quotes I prefer from him, more representative content, gameover will (I hope) continue to enjoy:

♥ “Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity”
♥ “The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”
♥ “Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds.”
♥ “We are slowed down sound and light waves, a walking bundle of frequencies tuned into the cosmos. We are souls dressed up in sacred biochemical garments and our bodies are the instruments through which our souls play their music.”
♥ “It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity.”
♥ “Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal.”
♥ “One day the machines will be able to solve all the problems, but none of them will ever be able to pose one.”
♥ “The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”
♥ “In order to be an immaculate member of a flock of sheep, one must above all, be a sheep.”
♥ “A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.”
♥ “The possession of marvellous means of production has brought care and hunger instead of freedom”
♥ “Don't listen to the person who has the answers; listen to the person who has the questions.”
♥ “Force always attracts men of low morality.”
♥ “Everything you can imagine, nature has already created.”
♥ “I never made one of my discoveries through the process of rational thinking”
♥ “Nothing causes more consternation in a group of hypocrits than one honest man.”

So funny that you started with a quote that is not from Einstein -- but no one is perfect

Besides, I'm afraid that your spell-checker needs some dusting...

Be it as it may, I'm a little unclear if you're quoting Einstein in your favor or against yourself - brilliant quotes are a double-edged sword, you know... mmmh, who said it?

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #19 on:** March 24, 2023, 16:52 »

Sorry, but I never met Einstein and I can't be sure of everything (as you are).

https://www.surfactants.net/who-said-artificial-intelligence-has-nothing-on-natural-stupidity-2/
Where you can read: "Who Said Artificial Intelligence Has Nothing On Natural Stupidity? [...]There is no definitive answer to this question, as there is no one person who can be credited with originating the saying [...] Einstein observed that artificial intelligence is no match for natural intelligence.".
We can read so many things, but I've got a limited time for fact checking.

And here I put again YOUR favorite quote from Einstein (hmmm maybe I should verify, or ask to Alexa.... lol, I don't know that crap) that fits so well here:
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

Don't be affraid for a spell-checker... there are so many more important things in_(my)life.

gameover · « **Reply #20 on:** March 25, 2023, 06:47 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 24, 2023, 16:52

Sorry, but I never met Einstein and I can't be sure of everything (as you are).

https://www.surfactants.net/who-said-artificial-intelligence-has-nothing-on-natural-stupidity-2/
Where you can read: "Who Said Artificial Intelligence Has Nothing On Natural Stupidity? [...]There is no definitive answer to this question, as there is no one person who can be credited with originating the saying [...] Einstein observed that artificial intelligence is no match for natural intelligence.".
We can read so many things, but I've got a limited time for fact checking.

Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #21 on:** March 25, 2023, 12:03 »

Quote from: gameover on March 25, 2023, 06:47

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 24, 2023, 16:52
Sorry, but I never met Einstein and I can't be sure of everything (as you are).

https://www.surfactants.net/who-said-artificial-intelligence-has-nothing-on-natural-stupidity-2/
Where you can read: "Who Said Artificial Intelligence Has Nothing On Natural Stupidity? [...]There is no definitive answer to this question, as there is no one person who can be credited with originating the saying [...] Einstein observed that artificial intelligence is no match for natural intelligence.".
We can read so many things, but I've got a limited time for fact checking.

Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that

Yeah, everything on the Internet is true? But a small fact would help: Albert Einstein did not directly engage with the concept of artificial intelligence (AI) during his lifetime. He was a physicist.

Here's what OpenAI Says about the matter. (yes I like a bit of irony in things much of the time.)

It's difficult to say exactly what Einstein would think of artificial intelligence, as he lived and worked in a time before the development of modern AI technologies. However, based on what we know about his views on science, technology, and humanity, we can speculate about some of his possible thoughts on the topic.

Einstein was known for his belief in the power of human creativity and intuition, which he saw as essential for scientific discovery. He once famously said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." This suggests that he may have been skeptical of the idea that machines could ever fully replace human intelligence and creativity.

On the other hand, Einstein was also a strong proponent of using science and technology for the betterment of society. He was deeply concerned about the social and political implications of technological advancements, and he believed that scientists had a responsibility to use their knowledge and skills for the good of humanity.

Given these views, it's possible that Einstein would have been both fascinated by and cautious about the development of artificial intelligence. He may have seen the potential benefits of AI for solving complex problems and advancing scientific understanding, but he may also have been concerned about the ethical and societal implications of creating machines that can think and learn on their own.

Overall, while we can't know for certain what Einstein would have thought about AI, we can speculate that he would have approached the topic with a careful balance of curiosity and caution, with a keen eye toward ensuring that these new technologies are used in a way that benefits society as a whole. ChatGTP

Fair enough? Balance and caution, and how would AI effect individual people and society?

“The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.”
― Albert Einstein

In 1977, Ken Olsen, founder of the Digital Equipment Corporation, said, “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.”

"The development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race." Stephen Hawking

I say adapt and change, learn to embrace and use new technology to our benefit.

Last of all:

The fear has sometimes been expressed that photography would in time entirely supersede the art of painting. Some people seem to think that when the process of taking photographs in colors has been perfected and made common enough, the painter will have nothing more to do. Henrietta Clopath 1901

“that refined feeling and sentiment which animate the productions of a man of genius,” Photography is missing “invention and feeling constitute essential qualities in a work of Art,” and Photography couldn’t qualify as an art in its own right, the explanation went, because it lacked “something beyond mere mechanism at the bottom of it.” Photography was viewed as merely as a thoughtless mechanism for replication.

Sounds like some of the criticism of AI lacking the human element?

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #22 on:** March 25, 2023, 13:40 »

Quote from: gameover on March 25, 2023, 06:47

Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that

The birth of artificial intelligence 1952–1956
The IBM 702: a computer used by the first generation of AI researchers.
In the 1940s and 50s, a handful of scientists from a variety of fields (mathematics, psychology, engineering, economics and political science) began to discuss the possibility of creating an artificial brain. The field of artificial intelligence research was founded as an academic discipline in 1956.[49]
49. "Kaplan Andreas, Artificial Intelligence, Business and Civilization - Our Fate Made in Machines". Retrieved 11 March 2022.

Albert Einstein: born 1879, death 1955.

Here is for you : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificial_intelligence
Conceptualizing, anticipating... Yes, it exists among great people, find out!

gameover · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2023, 15:39 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on March 25, 2023, 12:03

Quote from: gameover on March 25, 2023, 06:47
Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 24, 2023, 16:52
Sorry, but I never met Einstein and I can't be sure of everything (as you are).

https://www.surfactants.net/who-said-artificial-intelligence-has-nothing-on-natural-stupidity-2/
Where you can read: "Who Said Artificial Intelligence Has Nothing On Natural Stupidity? [...]There is no definitive answer to this question, as there is no one person who can be credited with originating the saying [...] Einstein observed that artificial intelligence is no match for natural intelligence.".
We can read so many things, but I've got a limited time for fact checking.

Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that

Yeah, everything on the Internet is true? But a small fact would help: Albert Einstein did not directly engage with the concept of artificial intelligence (AI) during his lifetime. He was a physicist.

Here's what OpenAI Says about the matter. (yes I like a bit of irony in things much of the time.)

It's difficult to say exactly what Einstein would think of artificial intelligence, as he lived and worked in a time before the development of modern AI technologies. However, based on what we know about his views on science, technology, and humanity, we can speculate about some of his possible thoughts on the topic.

Einstein was known for his belief in the power of human creativity and intuition, which he saw as essential for scientific discovery. He once famously said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." This suggests that he may have been skeptical of the idea that machines could ever fully replace human intelligence and creativity.

On the other hand, Einstein was also a strong proponent of using science and technology for the betterment of society. He was deeply concerned about the social and political implications of technological advancements, and he believed that scientists had a responsibility to use their knowledge and skills for the good of humanity.

Given these views, it's possible that Einstein would have been both fascinated by and cautious about the development of artificial intelligence. He may have seen the potential benefits of AI for solving complex problems and advancing scientific understanding, but he may also have been concerned about the ethical and societal implications of creating machines that can think and learn on their own.

Overall, while we can't know for certain what Einstein would have thought about AI, we can speculate that he would have approached the topic with a careful balance of curiosity and caution, with a keen eye toward ensuring that these new technologies are used in a way that benefits society as a whole. ChatGTP

Fair enough? Balance and caution, and how would AI effect individual people and society?

“The measure of intelligence is the ability to change.”
― Albert Einstein

In 1977, Ken Olsen, founder of the Digital Equipment Corporation, said, “There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home.”

"The development of full artificial intelligence could spell the end of the human race." Stephen Hawking

I say adapt and change, learn to embrace and use new technology to our benefit.

Last of all:

The fear has sometimes been expressed that photography would in time entirely supersede the art of painting. Some people seem to think that when the process of taking photographs in colors has been perfected and made common enough, the painter will have nothing more to do. Henrietta Clopath 1901

“that refined feeling and sentiment which animate the productions of a man of genius,” Photography is missing “invention and feeling constitute essential qualities in a work of Art,” and Photography couldn’t qualify as an art in its own right, the explanation went, because it lacked “something beyond mere mechanism at the bottom of it.” Photography was viewed as merely as a thoughtless mechanism for replication.

Sounds like some of the criticism of AI lacking the human element?

👏 👏 👏

Do you find chatGPT nice too?

gameover · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2023, 16:14 »

Quote from: DiscreetDuck on March 25, 2023, 13:40

Quote from: gameover on March 25, 2023, 06:47
Sure! And Julius Caesar said "I don't want a Rolls-Royce, a Fiat is enough for me!" - google for it long enough and you'll certainly find something like that
The birth of artificial intelligence 1952–1956
The IBM 702: a computer used by the first generation of AI researchers.
In the 1940s and 50s, a handful of scientists from a variety of fields (mathematics, psychology, engineering, economics and political science) began to discuss the possibility of creating an artificial brain. The field of artificial intelligence research was founded as an academic discipline in 1956.[49]
49. "Kaplan Andreas, Artificial Intelligence, Business and Civilization - Our Fate Made in Machines". Retrieved 11 March 2022.

Albert Einstein: born 1879, death 1955.

Here is for you : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_artificial_intelligence
Conceptualizing, anticipating... Yes, it exists among great people, find out!

The birth of atomic science: ca. 400 BC – (Democritus)

Now let’s afford a modicum of (human) intellective toil: dallying with the notion of artificial intelligence goes way back in the past, as confirmed even by the Source of All Wisdom and Truth you quote in your edit – BTW thank you, I found it interesting if not terribly exhaustive; should you wish to deepen the topic I’d be happy to suggest you a few good books on the subject.

The point is actually, when did the AI evolve from fantasy to speculation to serious research, and then when did it grow smart enough to pass the Turing test. While preparing my master in physics I’ve been playing myself with a supermarket-size IBM machine, but those remote attempts at AI would have made poor Alan Turing die laughing, had he been still alive.

Considering the level AI had attained during Einstein’s life, as a wise man he could have said perhaps “Artificial Intelligence will never be a match for natural stupidity”, in the future tense.

But, alas, according to a number of reliable sources he didn’t.

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