Author Topic: how many images do "we" control (Read 9900 times)

grsphoto · « **on:** May 29, 2014, 07:48 »

With all the bad deals happening and the outrage on MGS, I was wondering how much of the supplier market "we" ( readers and users of this forum) actually control.

ShadySue · « **Reply #1 on:** May 29, 2014, 07:52 »

Your top number needs to be much higher. I'm a small fry and I have more files than that (between RF and RM).

grsphoto · « **Reply #2 on:** May 29, 2014, 08:06 »

poll reset... more levels added... Is this better?

enstoker · « **Reply #3 on:** May 29, 2014, 08:13 »

You asked me "how many images do "we" control "

Believe me or not:

NONE

ShadySue · « **Reply #4 on:** May 29, 2014, 08:24 »

Quote from: enstoker on May 29, 2014, 08:13

You asked me "how many images do "we" control "

Believe me or not:

NONE

Well, other than we can remove files completely, you have a point.

enstoker · « **Reply #5 on:** May 29, 2014, 08:37 »

Agree with You ShadySue,

but also after removing files, there are so many Partner program, APi, ...sites which are impossible to control.
And BTW, on some agencies You can deactivate files but will NEVER be deleted.

But participating in this "business" is our free will.

File Sold · « **Reply #6 on:** May 29, 2014, 08:40 »

Now this is a great poll. I've had lots of thoughts on agency that we contributors could run. This gives idea how many images people on here have. It would be so awesome to put our images together in fair trade agency. It should be run by many contributors, not by one dictator CEO. Symbiostock is great but I'm thinking more of an agency type here.

cthoman · « **Reply #7 on:** May 29, 2014, 09:07 »

Quote from: enstoker on May 29, 2014, 08:13

You asked me "how many images do "we" control "

Believe me or not:

NONE

I actually control the majority of my files. There are some files I upload everywhere, but I mostly only upload new images to the partners I trust and want to do business with.

Epsilonth · « **Reply #8 on:** May 29, 2014, 10:27 »

Quote from: File Sold on May 29, 2014, 08:40

Now this is a great poll. I've had lots of thoughts on agency that we contributors could run. This gives idea how many images people on here have. It would be so awesome to put our images together in fair trade agency. It should be run by many contributors, not by one dictator CEO. Symbiostock is great but I'm thinking more of an agency type here.

That is actually a great Idea. Sad thing is most of us do not know how to run a company nor code.

grsphoto · « **Reply #9 on:** May 29, 2014, 11:23 »

Quote from: Epsilonth on May 29, 2014, 10:27

Quote from: File Sold on May 29, 2014, 08:40
Now this is a great poll. I've had lots of thoughts on agency that we contributors could run. This gives idea how many images people on here have. It would be so awesome to put our images together in fair trade agency. It should be run by many contributors, not by one dictator CEO. Symbiostock is great but I'm thinking more of an agency type here.

That is actually a great Idea. Sad thing is most of us do not know how to run a company nor code.

I don't think this is the answer..... Shutter Stock success is due to much more than just putting images on line...

landbysea · « **Reply #10 on:** May 29, 2014, 11:45 »

Whats "MGS".? And what is this outrage that our refer to?

File Sold · « **Reply #11 on:** May 29, 2014, 11:57 »

Quote from: grsphoto on May 29, 2014, 11:23

Quote from: Epsilonth on May 29, 2014, 10:27
Quote from: File Sold on May 29, 2014, 08:40
Now this is a great poll. I've had lots of thoughts on agency that we contributors could run. This gives idea how many images people on here have. It would be so awesome to put our images together in fair trade agency. It should be run by many contributors, not by one dictator CEO. Symbiostock is great but I'm thinking more of an agency type here.

That is actually a great Idea. Sad thing is most of us do not know how to run a company nor code.

I don't think this is the answer..... Shutter Stock success is due to much more than just putting images on line...

Yep. It's a lot of work, right pricing and getting exposure. But If we could make it big, like millions of images instantly to new site, I think anything is possible. And think about when our agency would start to fly we could delete our images from scammers and they would get what they deserve. It's all about being unite.

Let's play with this idea: What if we would have all contributors as one, we could destroy any agency and put all images in our new agency. In "real" world workers have these unitys that keeps them safe from bad bosses. We don't, but we defo need one.

Gel-O Shooter · « **Reply #12 on:** May 29, 2014, 11:58 »

Great poll and I, myself have often wondered the same thing. Just one question...do we count the total of all images on all agencies, even if they are the same on some? I have a total port of around 1400....some images are on 6 different agencies and some are on only 1. Would I count the one on all of them as one or six? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I've only had one cup o' coffee this morning.

grsphoto · « **Reply #13 on:** May 29, 2014, 12:01 »

Quote from: Gel-O Shooter on May 29, 2014, 11:58

Great poll and I, myself have often wondered the same thing. Just one question...do we count the total of all images on all agencies, even if they are the same on some? I have a total port of around 1400....some images are on 6 different agencies and some are on only 1. Would I count the one on all of them as one or six? Sorry if this is a stupid question, I've only had one cup o' coffee this morning.

just individual images...if it is online in several places just count it once please.

grsphoto · « **Reply #14 on:** May 29, 2014, 12:03 »

Quote from: landbysea on May 29, 2014, 11:45

Whats "MGS".? And what is this outrage that our refer to?

sorry should be MSG ( this forum) typing with one hand due to altercation with a monkey....

cthoman · « **Reply #15 on:** May 29, 2014, 12:15 »

Quote from: File Sold on May 29, 2014, 11:57

But If we could make it big, like millions of images instantly to new site, I think anything is possible.

I'm kind of the opposite point of view. Big agencies always seemed to get muddled. I'd prefer smaller partnerships. It's easier to keep a good focus on the contributors. I think that is the downside to any talk of revolution because you just can't move EVERYBODY to some new awesome place.

U11 · « **Reply #16 on:** May 29, 2014, 12:17 »

I can definitely control my video files on Pond5 (including changing the price)
as opposite on Getty the only control I have is to end contract and get _all_ files deleted.
all other agencies are somewhere in between

File Sold · « **Reply #17 on:** May 29, 2014, 12:57 »

Quote from: cthoman on May 29, 2014, 12:15

Quote from: File Sold on May 29, 2014, 11:57
But If we could make it big, like millions of images instantly to new site, I think anything is possible.

I'm kind of the opposite point of view. Big agencies always seemed to get muddled. I'd prefer smaller partnerships. It's easier to keep a good focus on the contributors. I think that is the downside to any talk of revolution because you just can't move EVERYBODY to some new awesome place.

I understand you. If we want to turn microstock upside down we should probably have like 70%+ of images to really do a revolution. I don't think it's ever possible, because people are from so many countries, but a nice thought anyway. I'm just pretty sick with many agencies so it keeps me alive dreaming of better chances

mlwinphoto · « **Reply #18 on:** May 29, 2014, 14:58 »

Quote from: cthoman on May 29, 2014, 12:15

Quote from: File Sold on May 29, 2014, 11:57
But If we could make it big, like millions of images instantly to new site, I think anything is possible.

I'm kind of the opposite point of view. Big agencies always seemed to get muddled. I'd prefer smaller partnerships. It's easier to keep a good focus on the contributors. I think that is the downside to any talk of revolution because you just can't move EVERYBODY to some new awesome place.

I totally agree. I'm in the process of gathering a small group of photogs I've dealt with in the past through agencies, art shows, etc with the plan of combining our ports (all nature oriented but with each contributor having a specialty within that genre) into one 'collection' and marketing it through a current photographic e-commerce site. With that site handling SEO, basic marketing, payments, etc we're free to set our own prices, fine tune the marketing to meet our needs, and so forth. There would be a reasonable annual fee from each contributor to keep the site operational; you gotta spend it to make it, so they say.

The small group approach is much more feasible to initiate and control with complete freedom from the corporate agency greed. Whether it will be successful remains to be seen......

cthoman · « **Reply #19 on:** May 29, 2014, 18:23 »

Quote from: mlwinphoto on May 29, 2014, 14:58

The small group approach is much more feasible to initiate and control with complete freedom from the corporate agency greed. Whether is will be successful remains to be seen......

If nothing else, the idea of trying to come up with ways to insulate yourself from possible damage that an agency might randomly throw your way seems like a good move.

Ed · « **Reply #20 on:** May 29, 2014, 20:15 »

The pole is deceiving. Are you referring to portfolio size (in total?)

I was reading someone's bio the other day. She stated she had over 30,000 images online. Then I started looking around. She has a portfolio of about 1,500 images spread out over 30 microstock sites. That's not 30,000 images...that's 1,500 images that she would "control" spread out all over kingdom come.

PixelBytes · « **Reply #21 on:** May 30, 2014, 00:01 »

Quote from: Ed on May 29, 2014, 20:15

The pole is deceiving. Are you referring to portfolio size (in total?)

I was reading someone's bio the other day. She stated she had over 30,000 images online. Then I started looking around. She has a portfolio of about 1,500 images spread out over 30 microstock sites. That's not 30,000 images...that's 1,500 images that she would "control" spread out all over kingdom come.

The poll isn't deceptive, she is.

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #22 on:** May 30, 2014, 02:52 »

Here is an idea: Start asking what price images should be sold at. Secondly, start asking what percentage should be paid out to contributors (in opposition to what the "agency" gets to keep for technology, administration, marketing etc.)

If you can come up with a significant amount of contributors being able to agree on both of these points, then you can get an idea how much images you could sell through the new agency.

However, I have the feeling that you will find that a majority of contributors won't be able to agree on both of these basic issues. That's why I don't believe a "democratic agency" could work.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 30, 2014, 05:56 »

over 300k so far, only if it was that simple...

I would say we would need an agency with a subscription plan (inevitable) but more focused on the on demand sales, we could get ride of the subs but then we would need to have exclusive content like Stocksy

a flat rate for sales (one for subs and another for ods) would be interesting thinking of driving a big % into marketing etc

the search algorithm will be a nightmare as well, making everyone happy is impossible

we will need to have a few employees too: site maintenance, customer care

how about the reviewing process? guess we can be responsible for our files, if a buyer is unhappy we need to solve it!

believe we can start making a list about everything...

grsphoto · « **Reply #24 on:** June 26, 2014, 10:00 »

OK so I did the math... and from this poll "we" control about 500,000 to 600,000 image.

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Author Topic: how many images do "we" control (Read 9900 times)

grsphoto

ShadySue

grsphoto

enstoker

ShadySue

enstoker

File Sold

cthoman

Epsilonth

grsphoto

landbysea

File Sold

Gel-O Shooter

grsphoto

grsphoto

cthoman

U11

File Sold

mlwinphoto

cthoman

Ed

PixelBytes

MichaelJayFoto

luissantos84

grsphoto

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