Quote from: tab62 on November 19, 2012, 12:34

I was looking for ways to defend myself when put in the situation that I was in but now I will just run like hell   

No youre op was perfectly in order. Just that you get some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro, nothing else and they will defend this industry even if they earnt zero money to the very death, simply because they dont know any other form of photography outside micro, walking around with blinkers really.

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 12:52

Quote from: tab62 on November 19, 2012, 12:34

I was looking for ways to defend myself when put in the situation that I was in but now I will just run like hell   

No youre op was perfectly in order. Just that you get some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro, nothing else and they will defend this industry even if they earnt zero money to the very death, simply because they dont know any other form of photography outside micro, walking around with blinkers really.

It does not matter if someone has only 6 years or 1 year in micro for that matter.  Stock Photography wether it is micro or RM are forms of art of their own. Most people will understand the technical aspect of photography within a month. However, the art you get out of it, is not something you can teach. It is either you naturally become to be knowledgable in your art or you don't. Some people will never get it, others will be good at it and the few will be brilliant. It is the way how art works wether it is music, drawing or photography.

Denis. we are not discussing art or not. Its about defending microstock which is fair enough but hey, lets not go overboard with it.

Isnt it quite obvious that the people who started their photography in micro and nothing else, the very second you even mention a world outside micro, well? you see what happend some posts further up. I mean its catastrophy, all hell breaks out.

Alln stock photography is a commercial cogwheel, nothing else and its as far from art as it can be.

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 14:07

Quote from: cybernesco on November 19, 2012, 13:39

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 12:52

Quote from: tab62 on November 19, 2012, 12:34

I was looking for ways to defend myself when put in the situation that I was in but now I will just run like hell   

No youre op was perfectly in order. Just that you get some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro, nothing else and they will defend this industry even if they earnt zero money to the very death, simply because they dont know any other form of photography outside micro, walking around with blinkers really.

It does not matter if someone has only 6 years or 1 year in micro for that matter.  Stock Photography wether it is micro or RM are forms of art of their own. Most people will understand the technical aspect of photography within a month. However, the art you get out of it, is not something you can teach. It is either you naturally become to be knowledgable in your art or you don't. Some people will never get it, others will be good at it and the few will be brilliant. It is the way how art works wether it is music, drawing or photography.

Isnt it quite obvious that the people who started their photography in micro and nothing else, the very second you even mention a world outside micro, well? you see what happend some posts further up. I mean its catastrophy, all hell breaks out.

You indicated your disdain of micro by saying "some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro".

Therefore on the contrary to most microstockers, it is the other way around. Your sentence should therefore read this way:

Isnt it quite obvious that the people who started their photography in RM , the very second you even mention the micro world, well? you see what happend some posts further up. I mean its catastrophy, all hell breaks out.

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Alln stock photography is a commercial cogwheel, nothing else and its as far from art as it can be.

I disagree, it is an art on its own, I agree that it is a generic form of art but still art.  What I mean as an example, after a session shooting a model.  For each scenario, I may have 40-50 technically perfect shots, to choose from for which I will choose the best one based on the model posture, her/his smile, the appeal and how the image best represent the scenario I want to promote. And that is an art. How to recognise the best posture for a given scenario is an art. How to put an arrangement of fruits and vegetables together is an art. How to photograph wildlife is an art. How to recognise the best posture of an animal is an art.  Regardless if an object is isolated or not, its placement still matter and is an art.

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 15:51

Quote from: cybernesco on November 19, 2012, 14:41

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 14:07

Quote from: cybernesco on November 19, 2012, 13:39

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 12:52

Quote from: tab62 on November 19, 2012, 12:34

I was looking for ways to defend myself when put in the situation that I was in but now I will just run like hell   

No youre op was perfectly in order. Just that you get some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro, nothing else and they will defend this industry even if they earnt zero money to the very death, simply because they dont know any other form of photography outside micro, walking around with blinkers really.

It does not matter if someone has only 6 years or 1 year in micro for that matter.  Stock Photography wether it is micro or RM are forms of art of their own. Most people will understand the technical aspect of photography within a month. However, the art you get out of it, is not something you can teach. It is either you naturally become to be knowledgable in your art or you don't. Some people will never get it, others will be good at it and the few will be brilliant. It is the way how art works wether it is music, drawing or photography.

Isnt it quite obvious that the people who started their photography in micro and nothing else, the very second you even mention a world outside micro, well? you see what happend some posts further up. I mean its catastrophy, all hell breaks out.

You indicated your disdain of micro by saying "some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro".

Therefore on the contrary to most microstockers, it is the other way around. Your sentence should therefore read this way:

Isnt it quite obvious that the people who started their photography in RM , the very second you even mention the micro world, well? you see what happend some posts further up. I mean its catastrophy, all hell breaks out.

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Alln stock photography is a commercial cogwheel, nothing else and its as far from art as it can be.

I disagree, it is an art on its own, I agree that it is a generic form of art but still art.  What I mean as an example, after a session shooting a model.  For each scenario, I may have 40-50 technically perfect shots, to choose from for which I will choose the best one based on the model posture, her/his smile, the appeal and how the image best represent the scenario I want to promote. And that is an art. How to recognise the best posture for a given scenario is an art. How to put an arrangement of fruits and vegetables together is an art. How to photograph wildlife is an art. How to recognise the best posture of an animal is an art.  Regardless if an object is isolated or not, its placement still matter and is an art.

Well it seems we are approaching a stage where everything is called ART and therefore, ofcourse, nothing is art.

Ultimately, what is appealing, is in the eye of the beholder and it is up to the image creator to create something that is appealing to as many prospective buyers as possible.  What make an image more appealing than another similar one, is by how much the image clearly represent the wanted scenario. As human, It is the inexplicable natural appeal that we have for certain shapes, forms and placement that make it art.  If you have an appeal for something (other than sex and hunger) that you cannot explain technically, than it is art.

Quote from: cybernesco on November 19, 2012, 16:33

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 15:51

Quote from: cybernesco on November 19, 2012, 14:41

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 14:07

Quote from: cybernesco on November 19, 2012, 13:39

Quote from: ClaridgeJ on November 19, 2012, 12:52

Quote from: tab62 on November 19, 2012, 12:34

I was looking for ways to defend myself when put in the situation that I was in but now I will just run like hell   

No youre op was perfectly in order. Just that you get some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro, nothing else and they will defend this industry even if they earnt zero money to the very death, simply because they dont know any other form of photography outside micro, walking around with blinkers really.

It does not matter if someone has only 6 years or 1 year in micro for that matter.  Stock Photography wether it is micro or RM are forms of art of their own. Most people will understand the technical aspect of photography within a month. However, the art you get out of it, is not something you can teach. It is either you naturally become to be knowledgable in your art or you don't. Some people will never get it, others will be good at it and the few will be brilliant. It is the way how art works wether it is music, drawing or photography.

Isnt it quite obvious that the people who started their photography in micro and nothing else, the very second you even mention a world outside micro, well? you see what happend some posts further up. I mean its catastrophy, all hell breaks out.

You indicated your disdain of micro by saying "some people and all they have done is 5 or 6 years in micro".

Therefore on the contrary to most microstockers, it is the other way around. Your sentence should therefore read this way:

Isnt it quite obvious that the people who started their photography in RM , the very second you even mention the micro world, well? you see what happend some posts further up. I mean its catastrophy, all hell breaks out.

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Alln stock photography is a commercial cogwheel, nothing else and its as far from art as it can be.

I disagree, it is an art on its own, I agree that it is a generic form of art but still art.  What I mean as an example, after a session shooting a model.  For each scenario, I may have 40-50 technically perfect shots, to choose from for which I will choose the best one based on the model posture, her/his smile, the appeal and how the image best represent the scenario I want to promote. And that is an art. How to recognise the best posture for a given scenario is an art. How to put an arrangement of fruits and vegetables together is an art. How to photograph wildlife is an art. How to recognise the best posture of an animal is an art.  Regardless if an object is isolated or not, its placement still matter and is an art.

Well it seems we are approaching a stage where everything is called ART and therefore, ofcourse, nothing is art.

Ultimately, what is appealing, is in the eye of the beholder and it is up to the image creator to create something that is appealing to as many prospective buyers as possible.  What make an image more appealing than another similar one, is by how much the image clearly represent the wanted scenario. As human, It is the inexplicable natural appeal that we have for certain shapes, forms and placement that make it art.  If you have an appeal for something (other than sex and hunger) that you cannot explain technically, than it is art.

Well I must say you seem very concerned about the appreciation of art, etc. Many of my engineering images have graced the walls of the Rondannini gallery in Rome, Modern museum in Stockholm, Hamilton Gallery in London, etc. I have never looked upon nor called myself an artist. In fact the very word have never enterd my head.
To me, photography is far too young a media to even come close to being called art but rather an experession if you like, not art.

Art is for ones self and if others appreciate it then its a bonus. Somehow I dont think a true arty photographer would fraternize with us here in the micro sphere.
Now about the OPs defending the micro industry. How can anybody defend anything, in this case micro if thats the only form of photography they have experienced? surely you must also have experienced other avenues before you even think of responding.

Unless ofcourse you do what a certain self-proclaimed artist here does, just blast your mouth off without the slightest bit of evidence, knowledge or experience. BTW, not you.
However I will give you this,  in its generic form, yes!  but then its more an art of trying to figure out saleable concepts and earning money.

Unless ofcourse you do what a certain self-proclaimed artist here does, just blast your mouth off without the slightest bit of evidence, knowledge or experience. BTW, not you.

Lots of people here keep mentioning "closed shop"  etc, ofcourse and why not?  show me any profession that isnt closed for the ones not educated for it?  joke isnt it?

Quote from: JPSDK on November 19, 2012, 17:29

Or me?

Clarige.. Say things directly, or keep your mouth shut. That kind of argumentation is called intrigant and mostly found among college girls with cellphones.

Why dont you know?  I am a Danish college girl from Nyhaven with a short miniskirt who is saying: you are not important enough to mention in this thread, so where did you emerge from?
Now watch my backside wiggle under my miniskirt.  Tisk, tisk.

Quote from: JPSDK on November 19, 2012, 17:29

Or me?

Clarige.. Say things directly, or keep your mouth shut. That kind of argumentation is called intrigant and mostly found among college girls with cellphones.

Why dont you know?  I am a Danish college girl from Nyhaven with a short miniskirt who is saying: you are not important enough to mention in this thread, so where did you emerge from?
Now watch my backside wiggle under my miniskirt.  Tisk, tisk.