Author Topic: Artificial Intelligence killing the whole industry (Read 81778 times)

cascoly · « **Reply #150 on:** October 19, 2022, 12:56 »

Quote from: HalfFull on October 19, 2022, 11:04

Quote from: cascoly on October 04, 2022, 16:47
Quote from: fotoVoyager on October 04, 2022, 06:49

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What it's really bad at is named locations. It doesn't seem to be able to produce decent realistic images of Big Ben or Mt Everest or the Taj Mahal because those images require a single viewpoint and you can't combine images without it looking very odd.

these folk are likely screwed as well - just not as quickly as your other examples. when i asked for images of crowds and the yeni camii near the golden horn, the results showed several different angles

only images got the minarets correct, but it's just a matter of time before that''s improved

3 of the 4 'sherpas on everest' pictures had a reasonable image of everest with a recognizable west ridge & summit pyramid

Probably not the best example to use... for fiction it maybe ok depending on the audience but certainly no good for anyone in the world of mountaineering.

You can't use an image that is similar to a mountain when you need the image to highlight a specific route up it. A lot of the books I have for different mountains in the Alps an the Andes were bought as a reference guide so we knew what to expect before we got to the climb. No point having something that looks similar as it could be very dangerous once you're at 4-8000 metres up.

The climbing community as a whole would pickup on it in a flash, they are very protective of tradition. Just try and bolt a route up a mountain in the Lake District, they would hunt you down. Any images that weren't accurate would be ridiculed by the community. Even in the Lake District or Scottish Highlands they need to be accurate. Editors don't even like it when an image is captioned a little wrong as they could use the image incorrectly that could lead to climbers and hikers getting into difficulty on the mountain.

As a photo on the wall, a real photo of Everest and climbers hanging on the wall is like wow, amazing achievement and place. You think of the effort it took to get there, the dangers, the blood sweat and tears etc of each of those captured in the image... there is an emotional connection. An AI rendition is just an empty vessel in comparison. No value at all because it's not real. But I guess that's just the way I see it from a climbers perspective.

Maybe in the future that's what we'll see. People hunting out real imagery over AI as they don't want something that is fake. They want something that is real, something that can connect them to the earth we live in... something that does exist and was seem by a fellow human

I was an active mountaineer & backcountry skier - reaching 21K in Himalaya & many climbs in Alps, Andes, & Rockies and winter climbs in the Cascades & Canada (retired now). I was a committee chair in the Seattle Mountaineers club and climb & ski mountaineering leader. I recently received my 50 yr pin from the Mazamas mountaineering club. I also designed an Everest climbing game in the90s. So i agree with your comment on the climbing community.

But the image was never aimed at that group! Anyone thinking it was intended as a route map would not have a long career! it was aimed at the microstock market for those looking for generic moutain or climbing image or an impressionist view of the Himalaya. My comment on the 'accuracy' of the result was about the quality of the AI

HalfFull · « **Reply #151 on:** October 19, 2022, 13:10 »

I agree... Once things settle down, I think AI imagery will only used for "fiction" work. Anything that requires a degree of accuracy, tourism, guides & realism to a degree, people will look to use images created by humans.

I still feel we haven't seen the end of agencies banning AI imagery for sale as stock though. When companies buy imagery from agencies they want the security of knowing all required releases are on file etc and that there is no potential for a legal challenge. It's often the case that the client that buys the image is a designer or advertising agency and the damage that could be caused by their client being sued is often too big a risk to take. One bad case could cost them their client book.

The enquires I've made to agencies so far is they are very reluctant to give any answer on AI and I assume that is due to their legal teams reviewing the situation and watching what others will do. In a world that loves to sue each other, it is a sizeable risk and for what? The agencies already receive plenty of imagery without making things more complicated. I can see it more as a tool for places / people who want to cut out the stock agency / artist altogether.

If it's easier to look through a library of images that have already been created (rather than trying to come up with a written line of text to create an image) then people will often take the line of least resistance.

jav · « **Reply #152 on:** October 19, 2022, 14:41 »

Good aesthetic and visual judgment is still needed to get a decent image of the AI. They also show some inaccuracies that need to be retouched. In other words, work changes, but it does not disappear. And it will be a good tool to save time and money. I believe that new horizons are opening... Art is more a state of mind than a mere technical ability.

Lina · « **Reply #153 on:** November 11, 2022, 21:14 »

Canva adds AI too: https://petapixel.com/2022/11/10/canva-adds-a-free-and-unlimited-ai-text-to-image-generator/

ADH · « **Reply #154 on:** November 11, 2022, 21:18 »

Quote from: Lina on November 11, 2022, 21:14

Canva adds AI too: https://petapixel.com/2022/11/10/canva-adds-a-free-and-unlimited-ai-text-to-image-generator/

Here’s the harsh reality; if businesses and brands find an effective way to cut out the middle person (the photographer) they will do it. If it’s more cost-effective to use AI for generic stock, food, and product photography, then photographers in those fields are likely going to have to look to other avenues for work. Is it fair? No. but it’s business. As we’ve seen with automated checkouts, factories powered by robots, and, more recently, the driverless car, the upper echelon of this world is constantly looking to replace humans with tech. As much as we want to shout about our disdain of the direction of society, there’s little we can do about it.

What we’re likely to see is AI replace some [photography disciplines] almost completely – stock photography, product photography, food photography are most at risk…

Lina · « **Reply #155 on:** November 11, 2022, 21:45 »

Quote from: ADH on November 11, 2022, 21:18

Quote from: Lina on November 11, 2022, 21:14
Canva adds AI too: https://petapixel.com/2022/11/10/canva-adds-a-free-and-unlimited-ai-text-to-image-generator/

Here’s the harsh reality; if businesses and brands find an effective way to cut out the middle person (the photographer) they will do it. If it’s more cost-effective to use AI for generic stock, food, and product photography, then photographers in those fields are likely going to have to look to other avenues for work. Is it fair? No. but it’s business. As we’ve seen with automated checkouts, factories powered by robots, and, more recently, the driverless car, the upper echelon of this world is constantly looking to replace humans with tech. As much as we want to shout about our disdain of the direction of society, there’s little we can do about it.

What we’re likely to see is AI replace some [photography disciplines] almost completely – stock photography, product photography, food photography are most at risk…

You explained it very well. And I believe it will become harsh reality as soon as more users find out about AI and learn how to use it. We'll probably see in the near future.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #156 on:** November 11, 2022, 21:59 »

This made me chuckle...

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #157 on:** November 11, 2022, 23:19 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on November 11, 2022, 21:59

This made me chuckle...

Not so good for wheels, gears, handles, connection points, or anything mechanical that requires logical engineering.

I hate to add to the extent of the problem, but once the AI gets smarter at still images, the next advance will be video and motion.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #158 on:** November 12, 2022, 03:08 »

I shoot video, I don't face these problems.

Lina · « **Reply #159 on:** November 12, 2022, 03:12 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 03:08

I shoot video, I don't face these problems.

Some of these sites said their next step is video, Dall-e I think. Just wait.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #160 on:** November 12, 2022, 04:42 »

Quote from: Lina on November 12, 2022, 03:12

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 03:08
I shoot video, I don't face these problems.
Some of these sites said their next step is video, Dall-e I think. Just wait.

Rhetorical questions...
1. After how many decades?
2. What will be the demand for artificial cartoon video?
3. Can you imagine what processing power a stock should have in order to generate not a photo, but a video, in 4K format and with a normal bitrate.
4. The video has always been different from the photo, I think there will be no problems for sure in the coming decades.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #161 on:** November 12, 2022, 04:42 »

Quote from: Lina on November 12, 2022, 03:12

Dall-e I think. Just wait.

Wake up when they start. If we all live to see that time.

Cider Apple · « **Reply #162 on:** November 12, 2022, 04:43 »

Video has already started
https://makeavideo.studio/

stoker2014 · « **Reply #163 on:** November 12, 2022, 05:16 »

Quote from: Cider Apple on November 12, 2022, 04:43

Video has already started
https://makeavideo.studio/

1. This is just research. It is also not clear how everything works there, it is quite possible that in the final video they use fragments of someone else's video, and this is a copyright infringement and no one will sell it on stocks.
2. There is no such thing in stock agencies and is not planned.
3. Everything on this site is cartoons, i.e. animation. Yes, perhaps those stockers who create animation or 3D rendering in 10 years will begin to feel competition in this segment.
4. I'm creating a live stock video and I don't see any threats.
5. Yes, it is quite possible that there will be many such sites, but these will not be stock agencies, and the content there will be extremely specific, it will definitely not be my buyers who will buy there. And how copyright issues will be resolved there is another question.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #164 on:** November 12, 2022, 06:31 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 05:16

1. This is just research.

No, it's not. Actually it even already exists in basic form, like Meta's makeavideo or D-ID.

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 05:16

It is also not clear how everything works there, it is quite possible that in the final video they use fragments of someone else's video, and this is a copyright infringement and no one will sell it on stocks.

It's pretty clear actually, because that's how the whole AI generation works. If you had bothered reading any of the threads about AI generated images instead of commenting first, reading later, you'd know. That's the whole point of AI generated content: It LEARNS from other workand creates it's own content.

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 05:16

2. There is no such thing in stock agencies and is not planned.

You'd have said the same about photos half a year ago.

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 05:16

3. Everything on this site is cartoons, i.e. animation.

What is "this site"? We are talking about sites that create AI generated contet in general here and most of them can create photos.
Tell me, which one is a human made photo and which one was created by an AI?

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 05:16

4. I'm creating a live stock video and I don't see any threats.

Someone could take your video, describe what he is seeing to the AI and it would recreate it's own version of it. Still not a thread?

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 05:16

5. Yes, it is quite possible that there will be many such sites, but these will not be stock agencies, and the content there will be extremely specific, it will definitely not be my buyers who will buy there.

Did you get the part where there are AIs that create images - photos, not just "cartoons" and stock agencies like Shutterstock are implementing selling them on their platform already? So these would be the exact same buyers this content is offered to.

I don't think AI images are a real competition to stock photographers yet, because for the most part I think the results are not good enough when it come sto more complex topics. But we'll get there some day. Videos will probably take more time. Maybe so long that it won't be a thread to current stock videographers in their lifetime. But one day.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #165 on:** November 12, 2022, 06:49 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on November 12, 2022, 06:31

Videos will probably take more time. Maybe so long that it won't be a thread to current stock videographers in their lifetime. But one day.

I agree with your conclusion. Everything else is of no interest to me. Arguing for the sake of arguing is pointless. When stocks start offering videos created by AI, then we’ll talk and see what a video competitor has appeared there.

alijaber · « **Reply #166 on:** November 12, 2022, 07:16 »

Midjourney advancements in 6 months:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lY2TjqNTs

stoker2014 · « **Reply #167 on:** November 12, 2022, 08:44 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on November 12, 2022, 06:31

It LEARNS from other workand creates it's own content.

It will still be necessary to check whether he creates his own content or takes other people's work as a basis. So, if he takes your photos as a basis, then the stock should still pay you for this. I'm not talking about the fact that the rules forbid creating content based on someone else's work, for such a ban and judge.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #168 on:** November 12, 2022, 08:54 »

Quote from: alijaber on November 12, 2022, 07:16

Midjourney advancements in 6 months:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d4lY2TjqNTs

Drawings, cartoons, I don't see any threat. And I don't see any threat to the video at all. I can imagine how long it takes to fiddle with the program in order to describe what you need, to quickly buy a ready-made real photo. And what kind of software resources are involved, how much is it in terms of time, in terms of costs, I'm not talking about creating a video.

Braznyc · « **Reply #169 on:** November 12, 2022, 12:55 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on November 11, 2022, 21:59

This made me chuckle...

Ewww...

alan b traehern · « **Reply #170 on:** November 13, 2022, 06:53 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 12, 2022, 06:49

Arguing for the sake of arguing is pointless.

Good advise that you should follow.

ADH · « **Reply #171 on:** November 13, 2022, 16:32 »

AI is also bad news for agencies, eventually stock image users will be able to download cheap versions of AI software and get the images they want without paying subscriptions. In the medium term, AI will not only kill the contributors but also the agencies

stoker2014 · « **Reply #172 on:** November 14, 2022, 04:15 »

Quote from: ADH on November 13, 2022, 16:32

AI is also bad news for agencies, eventually stock image users will be able to download cheap versions of AI software and get the images they want without paying subscriptions. In the medium term, AI will not only kill the contributors but also the agencies

It will not kill and will not even create competition. I dealt with one program that converts HD to 4k and removes any noise from the video, but it needs a very powerful PC to work, and even on a powerful PC it takes a lot of time. As a result, the cost of a PC and electricity will block the profit.

Artist · « **Reply #173 on:** November 14, 2022, 04:45 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 14, 2022, 04:15

Quote from: ADH on November 13, 2022, 16:32
AI is also bad news for agencies, eventually stock image users will be able to download cheap versions of AI software and get the images they want without paying subscriptions. In the medium term, AI will not only kill the contributors but also the agencies
It will not kill and will not even create competition. I dealt with one program that converts HD to 4k and removes any noise from the video, but it needs a very powerful PC to work, and even on a powerful PC it takes a lot of time. As a result, the cost of a PC and electricity will block the profit.

One can easily rent a cloud GPU at very cheap price.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #174 on:** November 14, 2022, 05:11 »

Quote from: Artist on November 14, 2022, 04:45

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 14, 2022, 04:15
Quote from: ADH on November 13, 2022, 16:32
AI is also bad news for agencies, eventually stock image users will be able to download cheap versions of AI software and get the images they want without paying subscriptions. In the medium term, AI will not only kill the contributors but also the agencies
It will not kill and will not even create competition. I dealt with one program that converts HD to 4k and removes any noise from the video, but it needs a very powerful PC to work, and even on a powerful PC it takes a lot of time. As a result, the cost of a PC and electricity will block the profit.

One can easily rent a cloud GPU at very cheap price.

ok, when you rent it and create something there, tell me.

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