Author Topic: Adobe requesting people to submit images for dataset training (Read 19473 times)

Injustice for all · « **Reply #25 on:** September 28, 2023, 11:00 »

ok I bought 14 bananas!

I have already taken 240 shots for the moment,then I have to see how many I select,because I have to check what they look like before converting the raw to jpeg,above all I have to check that they are all perfectly in focus,otherwise I don't have to do anything else.

I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?

Now I'm going,I have to be able to at least take 600 shots for today,yes because I don't think I'll send just 500 per set,but 550 at least,in order to be sure in case of any rejection,given that the minimum required is 500.

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #26 on:** September 28, 2023, 11:27 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 11:00

I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?

The brief didn't say "real environment", but "real life situations".
I am not sure a banana on a rope hanging against the sky is what I would consider a "real life situation"?
At least for me bananas hanging from the sky is not a situation I usually come across in real life. About outdoors I would say something like a banana on a picknic blanket might count as "real life situation", but I can't think of many other situations where I might be finding bananas outdoors.

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #27 on:** September 28, 2023, 12:15 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on September 28, 2023, 11:27

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 11:00
I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?

The brief didn't say "real environment", but "real life situations".
I am not sure a banana on a rope hanging against the sky is what I would consider a "real life situation"?
At least for me bananas hanging from the sky is not a situation I usually come across in real life. About outdoors I would say something like a banana on a picknic blanket might count as "real life situation", but I can't think of many other situations where I might be finding bananas outdoors.

I'm thinking of discarded banana peels on the sidewalk - I wonder if that's what they mean?

Injustice for all · « **Reply #28 on:** September 28, 2023, 12:22 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on September 28, 2023, 11:27

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 11:00
I would be interested to know if photos of bananas outdoors,in the grass for example,are allowed,or hang on a rope against the sky... in short,the only important thing is that they are bananas in a real environment and that the background is not plan,It doesn't matter which environment right?

The brief didn't say "real environment", but "real life situations".
I am not sure a banana on a rope hanging against the sky is what I would consider a "real life situation"?
At least for me bananas hanging from the sky is not a situation I usually come across in real life. About outdoors I would say something like a banana on a picknic blanket might count as "real life situation", but I can't think of many other situations where I might be finding bananas outdoors.

why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall?

a picnic blanket yes ok,but I think also a simple basket with bananas in a meadow for example.

Anyway I think I'll shoot the first 1000 in raw,then I'll move directly to raw+jpeg because otherwise it takes too much,I still want to keep some raw if I can,since I'm there.

if I manage to complete the mission 5 times it's 300 usd for a week of work,and in addition I find myself with almost 3000 photos of bananas to select and process for my portfolio,I think it's time well spent!

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #29 on:** September 28, 2023, 12:51 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 12:22

why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall?

No.

cascoly · « **Reply #30 on:** September 28, 2023, 12:59 »

Quote from: derby on September 27, 2023, 15:56

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Even if I should had a lot of images already done for their missions the time I have to spent to search images in my HD, re-export, collect and organizie and upload, is too much. ...

doesn't apply to this instance where no captioning is required, so easier to sh oot than gather individual older images --. i keep a spreadsheet with date, captions & meta data. So i can search my entire inventory with 1 search across the entire worksheet, getting a list of the images i need in a few seconds

Injustice for all · « **Reply #31 on:** September 28, 2023, 13:03 »

Quote from: Her Ugliness on September 28, 2023, 12:51

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 12:22

why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall?

No.

yes,also hang them in the sun to dry them,whole or cut into rounds,or hung in the cool outdoors to preserve them.

I wonder if bananas wrapped in clear plastic are okay,but i think yes.

from my point of view,every real environment can be a banana in "real life situation"
you can also find a rotten banana on the road or in a field,that is also "real life situation"

derby · « **Reply #32 on:** September 28, 2023, 14:04 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 13:03

Quote from: Her Ugliness on September 28, 2023, 12:51
Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 12:22

why?have you never seen bananas hanging outdoors in front of fruit shops for example?or hanging outdoors on the wall?

No.

yes,also hang them in the sun to dry them,whole or cut into rounds,or hung in the cool outdoors to preserve them.

I wonder if bananas wrapped in clear plastic are okay,but i think yes.

from my point of view,every real environment can be a banana in "real life situation"
you can also find a rotten banana on the road or in a field,that is also "real life situation"

I think you r doing too much work! In the end, the only thing that Ai needs is to understand what is a banana

SuperPhoto · « **Reply #33 on:** September 28, 2023, 14:11 »

Quote from: derby on September 28, 2023, 09:00

I'm agree on not all but most part of what you say, by the way after Mat comments I think that yes, they need also garbage shots, the only important thing is to clearly see the requested subject, nothing else. No lighting setup, no denoising, nothing.

Quote from: SuperPhoto on September 28, 2023, 08:51
c) People "may" or "may not" be compensated for their work? So it could be a complete waste of time?

Well, but this is true for any image you send to microstock agencies

Because this is being done on spec - it is basically an insult to expect people to do a SET of 500-1000 images "for free" with the "hope" of getting paid... again, I guess they are basing this model on the 99designs thing (where ppl work for free hoping to get paid) - so I guess you get what you pay for - probably a lot of crap, and might get lucky with some good stuff, but overall, most garbage...

Injustice for all · « **Reply #34 on:** September 28, 2023, 15:02 »

It doesn't take long,once the situation is organised,everything goes smoothly.

I have already created several folders with various names,banana like this...banana there...so i can see how many of that kind miss for create a complete set.

and now I just have to make all jpegs with manual focus,so I don't even have to review them,all shots,division by category and sending,nothing else.

easy and fun,and they also pay me 300 USD

Have you ever worked 14 hours a day with only one day off a week?
That was real work,and they paid me 500 euros a week,but it was 14 hours a day for a whole year!

so 300 usd to take 3000 photos of bananas seems fair to me!

rkz91 · « **Reply #35 on:** September 28, 2023, 15:06 »

how you will get 300 usd for bananas? don't they pay only 60dollars for bananas mission?

RalfLiebhold · « **Reply #36 on:** September 28, 2023, 15:32 »

Quote from: Injustice for all on September 28, 2023, 15:02

easy and fun,and they also pay me 300 USD

I sincerely wish you success, but you don't have the money in your pocket yet.
Bananas determine everyday life in countries where they grow and are cultivated.
If our photographer friends there now really step on the gas, it should be difficult to get against it

But again, good luck with your experiment. I am curious about the result.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #37 on:** September 28, 2023, 16:54 »

Quote from: rkz91 on September 28, 2023, 15:06

how you will get 300 usd for bananas? don't they pay only 60dollars for bananas mission?

you can restart the mission up to 5 times 60x5=300 if all your set are approved,for this reason I would like to be able to send 3000 instead of 2500 just to be sure.

@RalfLiebhold thanks,but I'm not sure I understand,it's not about going against anyone,it's simply about uploading at least 2500 images,minimum 500 for each set and maximum 1000,which can be repeated 5 times,once the mission is completed you get paid,you don't have to compete with anyone.

in the end it's simply a matter of taking photos of some bananas!

Working comfortably from home,in fact I also find time to write here while I'm working,nothing tiring,it just takes time.

in any case, thank you very much for your good wishes!

KoKi · « **Reply #38 on:** September 28, 2023, 17:50 »

Why do I see 60$ for the first two "missions" - eating food and hands with food, and only 40$ for the bananas and flags "missions" ?

Injustice for all · « **Reply #39 on:** September 28, 2023, 18:12 »

Quote from: KoKi on September 28, 2023, 17:50

Why do I see 60$ for the first two "missions" - eating food and hands with food, and only 40$ for the bananas and flags "missions" ?

I also noticed a transcription error in the Italian language,for the mission of hands with food which is 80,but in Italian it is translated 60.

okay,maybe it's better if Mat,if possible,confirms what the exact amounts are for the missions.

However,I want to add that 60 for each single mission for bananas is fair,but in my opinion 80 for "close up of mouth eating food" is low,because it involves a whole series of other things in addition.

blvdone · « **Reply #40 on:** September 28, 2023, 18:47 »

500 photos for only $80? Are you kidding me? lol

"MISSION: CLOSE UP OF MOUTH EATING FOOD $80
Submit pictures of close ups of mouths of non recognizable people eating food.
Images for this mission do not require metadata or post-processing.
Volume: 500 to 1000 assets per submission."

Injustice for all · « **Reply #41 on:** September 29, 2023, 05:18 »

ok,if Mat doesn't answer,I guess,the type of mission and the rewards depend on the country you live in,but maybe i'm wrong.

I'm going now,bananas are waiting for me!

Her Ugliness · « **Reply #43 on:** September 29, 2023, 12:17 »

Quote from: MatHayward on September 29, 2023, 11:16

Thanks for the feedback everyone. We are interested in learning more about what you like/don't like about the Missions so please keep your comments coming.

I don't like the very short time frame we got for this - The people who were originally invited got over a month, but we got barely a little bit over a week. The pay isn't good enough to drop everything else that I am doing right now and prioritize these missions. But if I had a full month time, it might have been something I could have done "on the side", do a few photos here and there, especially with the food missions I could have taken photos of my family actually really preparing food through the course of a month. Just have them do what they do anyways and take photos while they are at it.
But now, with what little time is left, I would have to go out of my way, buy food and stage them preparing food to get the photos done in time. And for me that's too much hassle for the small payment.

Another thing keeping me from really taking part in these missions is the "we might get paid or maybe not factor" - and it is a very unknown one to me. By what criteria will Adobe accept photos? What will make them not accept them? Will it just be technical criteria like focus or noise, or are there other factors like "we got more photos than we needed" or "we don't like that the banana is green" that might lead to me not getting paid?
If I do 10 series á 50 photos each and they accept 9 series, but not the 10th, will I not get paid at all? Will the accepted photos still be used, without paying me?
If I had a better understanding of what would keep Adobe from accepting images and what might lead to me wasting a lot of time and not get a single cent for it this would not feel so much like a gamble to me. If I invest the time, I want the money.

Injustice for all · « **Reply #44 on:** September 29, 2023, 12:34 »

I think the main thing are topics,you can send up to a maximum of 50 pictures per topic,each different surface is a topic.

A banana on your kitchen table for example is a topic,so just take 50 different shots of this banana or more bananas on that table,then an outdoor wooden table is another topic,so again 50 different photos of bananas on this wooden table and you have completed another topic.

complete 10 topics and you have completed the first set,but to be safe in case a topic is rejected,it is better to do 11 or 12 if possible for each set.

and here comes the most difficult part,finding at least and I mean at least 50 different topics,if you want to take all the loot home,that is if you want to complete the mission 5 times.

so a lot depends on whether you have the opportunity to shoot in different places,at a friend's house for example,but also on how much creativity you have available,creativity in thinking about different topics with the little space available.

pancaketom · « **Reply #45 on:** September 29, 2023, 12:35 »

second on what is the criteria etc. for if they are accepted. I have no interest in doing a heap of work that could be arbitrarily deemed not worthy and thus no return for me.

fotoroad · « **Reply #46 on:** September 29, 2023, 12:56 »

I am not sure about uploading. Maybe I miss something.
I must upload every topic separate? 10 tines with 50 images?
It was not possible upload one folder with ten topic?

KoKi · « **Reply #47 on:** September 29, 2023, 13:10 »

Quote from: MatHayward on September 29, 2023, 11:16

You can confirm your rate for the Missions in the contributor portal by clicking the Missions tab at the top.

So we all have different "rate" for the same job? Based on what?

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #48 on:** September 29, 2023, 13:18 »

I didn't notice that I have been invited until today - they must be really desperate to have invited me

That's part snark, but also, I'm not a high-volume supplier.

I did review the details and as Mat was asking for feedback...

Not a prayer.

Even if you just shoot JPEG, it's a hard no to be asked to shoot work most of which has no value to me with no guaranteed pay.

There's not even an offer to do it for free for the exposure

Even if I were willing to risk it for inanimate objects, two of the missions require another person plus lots of time to pose, switch foods, settings, holding, etc. Even more time for at least two people and no guaranteed pay.

If any of the missions sounded like (a) good material for my portfolio, and (b) the setup didn't sound like something that's already flooded with genAI images, I might consider doing the work for me with some "extras" for the mission. But I'm not even sure that would be worth it.

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derby

SuperPhoto

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rkz91

RalfLiebhold

Injustice for all

KoKi

Injustice for all

blvdone

Injustice for all

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