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« Reply #75 on: October 02, 2023, 13:55 »
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I see. Good luck and have fun :)


« Reply #76 on: October 02, 2023, 14:01 »
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I see. Good luck and have fun :)

Thank you! :)

« Reply #77 on: October 02, 2023, 14:22 »
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banana mission update: :D

I have completed 28 topics with at least 50 photos each,and another 5 are almost finished.

I've already thought of 10 other topics,so I'm almost there now,I have to think of 7 more and are already enough,but as I have already underlined I will probably do a few more,just to be sure,but also because I've got a taste for it now! :D

to carry out the mission I am exclusively using my DSLR with 50mm prime lens and a 70-300mm,the latter is very practical,because I can take more shots without moving the tripod.
I'm considering also including the 18-55mm in the last shots.

on some occasions I also played with the focus,and I tried to have different depths of field with different apertures on some occasions,and I also shot at high exposures of a few stops and even underexposures.

I tried to target what is ultimately the purpose of this mission,and I believe that in training Firefly,variety is the most important thing.

« Reply #78 on: October 03, 2023, 04:05 »
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?

I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.

yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D

So you believe it makes financial sense to create hundreds of new banana images when adobe alone has 159,000 results for "bananas on the table" and at the same time you and heaps of others are just trying to teach Ai how to create an infinite number of more banana images? And also everyone else like you will upload thousands of their new "bananas on the table" pictures to adobe.
Then I can quite understand you considering $300 a good income for 6 days.
And I also understand that from your perspective you consider everything happening around Ai and microstock to be positive.

The problem with these discussions is that some of the contributors can't be considered real professional contributors, and then the whole debate is completely pointless. (I really tried to write that last sentence without offending anyone. It cost me a lot of effort.)

« Reply #79 on: October 03, 2023, 04:50 »
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The problem with these discussions is that some of the contributors can't be considered real professional contributors, and then the whole debate is completely pointless. (I really tried to write that last sentence without offending anyone. It cost me a lot of effort.)

I often seem to face that problem. People who only do microstock as a side income often seem to have a very different view on things in opposite to the ones who do it for a living and depend on the income. Whenever an agency offers some way to earn "a few easy bucks", the ones who do it just as a side income seem to think "hurray, a few easy bucks!"and to them it's just some nice extra money on top of their income. But everyone who does microstock for a living has to think further and consider "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?". We have to think through very carefully if these few easy bucks will mean a loss of ten thousands of bucks in the long run for us.  That's why sometimes is is very difficult to have a proper discussion when two people start out from two very different conditions.

Sadly the decisions of the ones who do this as a side income affect the ones who do this as a living just as much, so sometimes it matters little what we decide.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2023, 04:53 by Her Ugliness »

« Reply #80 on: October 03, 2023, 05:25 »
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?

I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.

yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D

So you believe it makes financial sense to create hundreds of new banana images when adobe alone has 159,000 results for "bananas on the table" and at the same time you and heaps of others are just trying to teach Ai how to create an infinite number of more banana images? And also everyone else like you will upload thousands of their new "bananas on the table" pictures to adobe.
Then I can quite understand you considering $300 a good income for 6 days.
And I also understand that from your perspective you consider everything happening around Ai and microstock to be positive.

The problem with these discussions is that some of the contributors can't be considered real professional contributors, and then the whole debate is completely pointless. (I really tried to write that last sentence without offending anyone. It cost me a lot of effort.)

as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.

I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.

Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.

I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.

it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.

"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"

regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.

@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.

okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?

there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!

continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.

even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D


« Reply #81 on: October 03, 2023, 19:20 »
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Banana mission update:  :D

I started the mission on Thursday 28 September at 4pm Italian time,now it is 2am on Wednesday 4 October.

I have taken 2559 photos so far,so I've already exceeded the minimum number to complete the mission 5 times,and I have already completed 43 topics,and I already have 3 in mind but I have to find at least 4 more,as I had thought,finding the topics is the most difficult thing in the mission,20/30 topics can be found easily,finding more is not very simple,In any case,I'm sure it will come to mind tomorrow.

so I'm a little behind on the plan but I'm almost done now,and I think I'll finish shooting tomorrow or Thursday morning,and I will send everything Thursday evening/night.

I'm going to sleep now,another day of shooting awaits me tomorrow! :D

« Reply #82 on: October 04, 2023, 08:49 »
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That is incredible Michael!

I hope they accept all your submissions, you certainly deserve it for doing so much at such short notice.

I am waiting for the next submissions, hopefully we have 30 days. Also would love it if the batches could be smaller, 200-300 files. If every scene gives you 20-30 images, 200-300 would be 10 set ups.

And of course you would do other things around it, to have more context photos and also videos.

« Reply #83 on: October 04, 2023, 09:38 »
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That is incredible Michael!

I hope they accept all your submissions, you certainly deserve it for doing so much at such short notice.

I am waiting for the next submissions, hopefully we have 30 days. Also would love it if the batches could be smaller, 200-300 files. If every scene gives you 20-30 images, 200-300 would be 10 set ups.

And of course you would do other things around it, to have more context photos and also videos.

thank you,but my name is not Michael   :D

however the problem is not the number of shots,that's fine,the problem are topics (the surface,or the environment if you want) because they accept a maximum of 50 photos per topic,so it is necessary to find at least 50 different surfaces or environments,for complete the mission 5 times,if you want to complete the mission one or two of times it's a breeze!

every 10 topics of 50 photos are 500 images,which is the minimum for each set and max 1000,the sets are 5 maximum,i.e. it is possible to restart the mission 5 times.

« Reply #84 on: October 04, 2023, 10:01 »
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ups, sorry...:)

« Reply #85 on: October 04, 2023, 14:33 »
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Banana mission update  :)

photos taken 3022

topics completed 47

needless to say,I have never taken all these photos in such a short time.

everything is going well,now I'm going to shoot 2 more topics,then I'll close tomorrow morning with a series of shots on different surfaces randomly,however there are still 2 whole days left.

I think 300 USD for 5 sets is a fair price,but certainly no less,perhaps Adobe for the next missions could think of a type of rewards that increase as more sets are completed,or to an extra bonus if you complete all sets.

« Reply #86 on: October 05, 2023, 02:00 »
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I believe about $1000 to be a fair price for 5 sets, not less.


Banana mission update  :)

photos taken 3022

topics completed 47

needless to say,I have never taken all these photos in such a short time.

everything is going well,now I'm going to shoot 2 more topics,then I'll close tomorrow morning with a series of shots on different surfaces randomly,however there are still 2 whole days left.

I think 300 USD for 5 sets is a fair price,but certainly no less,perhaps Adobe for the next missions could think of a type of rewards that increase as more sets are completed,or to an extra bonus if you complete all sets.

« Reply #87 on: October 05, 2023, 02:57 »
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?

I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.

yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D

Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.

Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 03:38 by Big Toe »

« Reply #88 on: October 05, 2023, 05:31 »
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Injusticeforall, you said you estimate to complete the task in 6 days full time job. Where are you from that you feel comfortable making $300 a week?

I am from one of the most expensive countries in the world:Italy.

yes,300 usd in 6 days of working from home,and friends home,in complete autonomy and freedom,is fine for me,but also because these photos of bananas can also be processed and added in my portfolio,because they are not just about bananas,but also about environments,kitchens,dining rooms and more,much more! :D

Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.

Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.

yes,in fact in the near future everyone will only buy images of bananas,so it's better to be prepared! :D

Maybe you'd better think about it,for what purpose can all these images,which include various environments,be used?offices, bedrooms,living rooms, dining rooms, kitchens... and much more!

Of course,I don't expect to start selling these images like peanuts,but I'm sure they will bring me more money in the future.

@BelieveInStock:1000usd it is objectively too much to take a minimum of 2500 photos of bananas,without postproduction and without keywording,are bananas not people,and there is no need to travel.

I think that 60-80 USD per set and 500 USD if you complete all 5 sets could be more fair,because completing all the sets is more complex than doing just one,this is why in my opinion the prize should increase as the sets increase.

in my opinion Adobe could also start from 40 usd for the first set,then 60$ for the second,then 80$... and so on and 500usd if all the sets are completed,so it would have been more fair in my opinion.

300usd for everything may be fine,but it is the acceptable minimum for sure.

« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 06:09 by Injustice for all »

« Reply #89 on: October 05, 2023, 05:59 »
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Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.

Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.

yes,in fact in the near future everyone will only buy images of bananas,so it's better to be prepared! :D

Maybe you'd better think about it,for what purpose can all these images,which include various environments,be used?offices, bedrooms,living rooms, dining rooms, kitchens... and much more!


Fair point. However, I guess the more various environments and settings you use for the banana images, the more effort it will be, will it not?

And if you have access to so many environments suitable for stock photos, have you not used them already for that purpose?

« Reply #90 on: October 05, 2023, 08:01 »
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as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.

I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.

Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.

I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.

it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.

"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"

regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.

@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.

okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?

there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!

continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.

even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D

a) Your actions speak MUCH louder than words. In fact, SO loud, no one can hear what you are saying.

You - by your actions - are actually 100% fully for "ai" - to chase a little bit of bread crumbs thrown on the ground, so you can eat off the floor, that might be tossed your way after what you are making into a master, finishes his bread from the big table he is sitting at. It's a very short-sighted/myopic view of things - instant gratification - you want things "NOW". You don't realize essentially by participating in that - you are using a shovel to dig your own hole to jump into...

If NO one "participated" - there would be no "AI" to "create" - because it wouldn't have anything to "create" (in reality "steal") from...

Re: "darwin" - lol - "he" is not who you think he is/was... (including his "theory" of evolution lol, extremely funny)... the extremely co-ordinated "schooling" system was designed to teach you to think a certain way, and not question other things.

b) Now - since you seem super intent on getting a few paltry crumbs thrown your way - you should at least request you get recurring crumbs - perpetual income - instead of a 1-time thing.

« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 08:07 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #91 on: October 05, 2023, 09:29 »
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Yes, bananas are clearly very important to Adobe, so they are probably the next big thing. Perhaps the year of the banana is approaching in some calendar.

Therefor, we should all produce more images of bananas, lest we miss out when the demand for banana images will skyrocket.

yes,in fact in the near future everyone will only buy images of bananas,so it's better to be prepared! :D

Maybe you'd better think about it,for what purpose can all these images,which include various environments,be used?offices, bedrooms,living rooms, dining rooms, kitchens... and much more!


Fair point. However, I guess the more various environments and settings you use for the banana images, the more effort it will be, will it not?

And if you have access to so many environments suitable for stock photos, have you not used them already for that purpose?

the short answer is no.


« Reply #92 on: October 05, 2023, 10:00 »
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as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.

I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.

Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.

I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.

it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.

"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"

regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.

@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.

okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?

there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!

continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.

even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D

a) Your actions speak MUCH louder than words. In fact, SO loud, no one can hear what you are saying.

You - by your actions - are actually 100% fully for "ai" - to chase a little bit of bread crumbs thrown on the ground, so you can eat off the floor, that might be tossed your way after what you are making into a master, finishes his bread from the big table he is sitting at. It's a very short-sighted/myopic view of things - instant gratification - you want things "NOW". You don't realize essentially by participating in that - you are using a shovel to dig your own hole to jump into...

If NO one "participated" - there would be no "AI" to "create" - because it wouldn't have anything to "create" (in reality "steal") from...

Re: "darwin" - lol - "he" is not who you think he is/was... (including his "theory" of evolution lol, extremely funny)... the extremely co-ordinated "schooling" system was designed to teach you to think a certain way, and not question other things.

b) Now - since you seem super intent on getting a few paltry crumbs thrown your way - you should at least request you get recurring crumbs - perpetual income - instead of a 1-time thing.

 :D you're really funny! :D

but are you really still at this?you still can't accept that times have changed?

look,I don't care what you think,and it doesn't concern me,but if I can give you a suggestion it's better that you start thinking differently,because your way of reasoning can't bring you anything good.

Then again,I don't understand all this concern about AI.

If they didn't exist,was it better?Yes,in my opinion,yes.

but in any case they do not represent the end of the microstock,they will certainly have a certain impact,but it will certainly not be the end of the microstock.

Yesterday I was reading Steven's blog,BackyardSilver,and I read an interesting article called "Artificial Intelligence the end for Stock Photographers?"read it,and maybe you start to see the situation from a better perspective,because there is nothing worse than losing hope,especially in a job like microstock,but in life in general I think it's like that.


« Reply #93 on: October 05, 2023, 10:19 »
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as I have already said and repeated,if the choice of the existence of AIs depended on me,I would never have allowed AIs.

I am not in favor of AI,I never have been and never will be,don't confuse the fact that I try to do a job I've been assigned well with my opinion on AI.

Just to be clear,I am 100% against AI.

I just try to adapt to the situation,I understand that the genie is now out of the bottle,and no one can do anything about it anymore,so it's better to try to do what needs to be done.

it is better to try to create content that AI cannot do, or try to exploit this new technology to your advantage, continuing to go against something that cannot be stopped is useless.

"keep your friends close,and your enemies even closer", or "if you can't beat them,team up with them"

regarding the photos of bananas,they are not only photos of bananas but also photos of environments,such as dining rooms or kitchens and much more,and I am sure that I will sell many of these photos, even if AI can create them anyway, I will sell them I'm sure of it anyway.

@Her Ugliness:microstock is my main source of income.

okay,now I think "how will this affect my means of living in 5, 10 or 20 years?" and so what?What do I gain by thinking about this?

there is nothing left to do,can you understand it or not?it's over,it's gone!

continuing to think about how to stop something that cannot be stopped is useless,the sooner you understand it,and the sooner you start working to tackle the problem,and try to take advantage of the situation as much as possible.

even Darwin in 1800 understood that only those who adapt survive! :D

a) Your actions speak MUCH louder than words. In fact, SO loud, no one can hear what you are saying.

You - by your actions - are actually 100% fully for "ai" - to chase a little bit of bread crumbs thrown on the ground, so you can eat off the floor, that might be tossed your way after what you are making into a master, finishes his bread from the big table he is sitting at. It's a very short-sighted/myopic view of things - instant gratification - you want things "NOW". You don't realize essentially by participating in that - you are using a shovel to dig your own hole to jump into...

If NO one "participated" - there would be no "AI" to "create" - because it wouldn't have anything to "create" (in reality "steal") from...

Re: "darwin" - lol - "he" is not who you think he is/was... (including his "theory" of evolution lol, extremely funny)... the extremely co-ordinated "schooling" system was designed to teach you to think a certain way, and not question other things.

b) Now - since you seem super intent on getting a few paltry crumbs thrown your way - you should at least request you get recurring crumbs - perpetual income - instead of a 1-time thing.

 :D you're really funny! :D

but are you really still at this?you still can't accept that times have changed?

look,I don't care what you think,and it doesn't concern me,but if I can give you a suggestion it's better that you start thinking differently,because your way of reasoning can't bring you anything good.

Then again,I don't understand all this concern about AI.

If they didn't exist,was it better?Yes,in my opinion,yes.

but in any case they do not represent the end of the microstock,they will certainly have a certain impact,but it will certainly not be the end of the microstock.

Yesterday I was reading Steven's blog,BackyardSilver,and I read an interesting article called "Artificial Intelligence the end for Stock Photographers?"read it,and maybe you start to see the situation from a better perspective,because there is nothing worse than losing hope,especially in a job like microstock,but in life in general I think it's like that.

You do care what I think, because you took the time to reply - which, thank-you.
And yes, my reasoning does bring good.

Never said it (microstock) would be "the end", because no - it is not. However, yes, I agree with you that you are correct that you don't yet understand the concern about "AI" based on your actions. (Which again, isn't real "ai" - it's not actually 'creating' anything nor 'reasoning', its simply sophisticated theft and pattern re-arrangement) .

An analogy would be like a thief breaking into someone's home and stealing a bunch of items, and on the way out - dropping some money (lets say $300 usd). And as the thief runs away - you pick it up, pocket it yourself patting yourself on the back, while admiring your banana that you are eating - proud that you pocketed some extra cash for yourself from the spoils of the theft - because, as you reason - "well it happened anyways, so might as well take the money and run". It hurts the person that the thief stole from. It hurts the people in the neighbourhood - because they know are a bit fearful/uncertain. Sure - you benefit in the short term, but at what cost?

Things do change. And these "AI" tools are now available now. However - you, as many others - actually DO have a say in the direction it takes. You can either choose good, or not good.

You can either just munch on your banana, happy that you have a full belly and a pocket full of cash and you "don't care" because YOUR belly is full of bananas, until the thief hits your home, and then you start crying, and you run out of bananas, and wonder what you are going to eat the next day because you pooped out all your bananas from the previous day.

OR - you can do good - and you can have a say/shape the direction of the "AI" tools - and say no - you don't want the short sighted view of things, but rather be compensated fairly for your work (which helps others be compensated fairly for their work) - with one example being RECURRING perpetual payments, and then you can eat ALL the bananas you want, for the rest of your life - because now you, and others - are fairly compensated.

You, as others, do have a say for the direction "ai" tools take.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2023, 10:28 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #94 on: October 05, 2023, 10:54 »
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@SuperPhoto

just because I answer you doesn't mean I care what you think,it's a question of correctness and good manners,you probably have a slightly too egocentric view,however if you like to think so:you-are-welcome! :D

ok,I understand your point of view,I respect it but I don't agree with it,I respect your ideals,the same idealism that arose when Shutterstock changed the royalty structure,admirable but unfortunately useless.




ADH

« Reply #95 on: October 05, 2023, 11:50 »
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There are countries in the world where for $60 you can buy an entire village, including the mayor's daughter.

U11


« Reply #96 on: October 05, 2023, 12:17 »
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The exact numbers are 60-80$ (depending on the mission) for 500-1000 images. Thus $0.06-$0.16/image.
may be it worth for mirorrless  / phone cameras
but killing DSLR mirror for that - meh

« Reply #97 on: October 05, 2023, 15:42 »
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You are assuming all your submissions will be accepted. I don't think we've heard anything yet from someone who submitted to know if Adobe is taking everything, half, quarter...

« Reply #98 on: October 05, 2023, 15:50 »
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Half of the images displayed on the first page for almost any search term are images "generated with AI". 5% of all images in the database are displayed as "generated with AI".
The trend is crystal clear: AI is preferred. At some point, AI will generate images "generated with AI". Then there will be no need to pay for images. Maximum profit for agencies - that's the goal.

« Reply #99 on: October 05, 2023, 17:38 »
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ok Adobe,I have sent the first set,and I have read,understood and accepted the supplemental works addendum.

in the future,if you want,you can count on me.

thank you.


 

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