Author Topic: "true" exclusive vs "exclusive" on pond5 (Read 3124 times)

SuperPhoto · « **on:** May 18, 2019, 08:53 »

thought I'd just post some thoughts here...

if footage was "truly" exclusive and desirable, and pond5 reached out to outlets that desired this truly exclusive footage - i.e., what the authors submitted was very difficult to obtain else where and news footage firms wanted, say:
- semi/private meetings with celebrities, politicians
- special exclusive news coverage (i.e., building the wall, border crossings, natural disasters, rescue missions, etc)
- in action military footage, on the ground with soldiers, etc
- close up shots of exotic animals in various habitats
- unique shots (i.e., FPV) of say an eagle flying over mountains from the eagle's perspective
- unique computer graphic simulations/animations/etc (i.e., tech, space, medical, etc, etc)

AND... pond 5 had an in/did some heavy promotions with the news outlets, advertisting agencies, firms, with this footage...
AND... pond 5 priced it accordingly (i.e., say $1000/clip or higher)...

THEN... I think the exclusive would be an awesome idea...

But when you have the exact same footage being submitted as non exclusive, and stuff like:
- a video of your foot doing nothing
- a chipmunk with half its body cut off eating nuts
- a video of a tree on an overcast day shot with a low end camera

and as far as I can tell - the only thing pond5 is doing to promote 'exclusive' content is:

a) A watermark that says "exclusive" on it (can't even 'filter' exclusive clips any more - I think that option was available for 1 week or so, I seem to remember being able to do that)
b) Since you've now agreed "not" to sell the clip elsewhere - contacting 2-3 other agencies (i.e., adobe stock) just agreeing to list your clip there (i.e., submitting your clip on your behalf).

and oh, that's about it...

doesn't seem like such a hot deal...

Your thoughts?

swisschocolate · « **Reply #1 on:** May 18, 2019, 09:30 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on May 18, 2019, 08:53

a) A watermark that says "exclusive" on it (can't even 'filter' exclusive clips any more - I think that option was available for 1 week or so, I seem to remember being able to do that)
b) Since you've now agreed "not" to sell the clip elsewhere - contacting 2-3 other agencies (i.e., adobe stock) just agreeing to list your clip there (i.e., submitting your clip on your behalf).

This is just unbelievable.

Seems like P5 wants to become a second BlackBox.

Wait until they'll make a deal with Getty!

georgep7 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 18, 2019, 10:55 »

You forgot to mention released model's exclusive appearance.
A possible way to put great price tags in series of themed clips.

thirdbornentertainment · « **Reply #3 on:** May 21, 2019, 18:23 »

Quote from: SuperPhoto on May 18, 2019, 08:53

thought I'd just post some thoughts here...

if footage was "truly" exclusive and desirable, and pond5 reached out to outlets that desired this truly exclusive footage - i.e., what the authors submitted was very difficult to obtain else where and news footage firms wanted, say:
-

Your thoughts?

I look at it as an opportunity for us to take control of the industry. A lot of the Best content producers are putting their efforts into Pond5x, guys like Via Films. I'm doing the same with some of my higher end stuff and will see how it goes. If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales, just dont use garbage footage for P5x.

odesigns · « **Reply #4 on:** May 21, 2019, 19:07 »

With most of these "big players" leaving their massive portfolios elsewhere, it really doesn't do this exclusive push from Pond5 any good.

Perhaps a few years down the road it will prove positive for both Pond5 and the "exclusive" contributor, but for the foreseeable future while these guys are starting from ground zero building their exclusive accounts, things really won't change all that much--if at all (with the exception of our cut in commissions).

Now, if these same contributors deleted all their portfolios everywhere else, that would have caused a definite and immediate shift in power in Pond5's direction, which is probably what Pond5 would have liked.

But since I'm sure these A-list contributors were reluctant to go 100% exclusive, Pond5's expectations had to change.

Trippy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 22, 2019, 09:14 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on May 21, 2019, 18:23

Quote from: SuperPhoto on May 18, 2019, 08:53
thought I'd just post some thoughts here...

if footage was "truly" exclusive and desirable, and pond5 reached out to outlets that desired this truly exclusive footage - i.e., what the authors submitted was very difficult to obtain else where and news footage firms wanted, say:
-

Your thoughts?

I look at it as an opportunity for us to take control of the industry. A lot of the Best content producers are putting their efforts into Pond5x, guys like Via Films. I'm doing the same with some of my higher end stuff and will see how it goes. If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales, just dont use garbage footage for P5x.

Just how are you "taking control of the industry"?

"If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales" - but all the best content is not exclusive.

thirdbornentertainment · « **Reply #6 on:** May 22, 2019, 16:38 »

Quote from: Trippy on May 22, 2019, 09:14

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on May 21, 2019, 18:23
Quote from: SuperPhoto on May 18, 2019, 08:53
thought I'd just post some thoughts here...

if footage was "truly" exclusive and desirable, and pond5 reached out to outlets that desired this truly exclusive footage - i.e., what the authors submitted was very difficult to obtain else where and news footage firms wanted, say:
-

Your thoughts?

I look at it as an opportunity for us to take control of the industry. A lot of the Best content producers are putting their efforts into Pond5x, guys like Via Films. I'm doing the same with some of my higher end stuff and will see how it goes. If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales, just dont use garbage footage for P5x.

Just how are you "taking control of the industry"?

"If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales" - but all the best content is not exclusive.

It's up to you as a producer to if you actually care about the industry to not enable the race to the bottom type players. Since you dont produce quality content then maybe exclusive isnt for you

Cider Apple · « **Reply #7 on:** May 22, 2019, 16:56 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on May 21, 2019, 18:23

Quote from: SuperPhoto on May 18, 2019, 08:53
thought I'd just post some thoughts here...

if footage was "truly" exclusive and desirable, and pond5 reached out to outlets that desired this truly exclusive footage - i.e., what the authors submitted was very difficult to obtain else where and news footage firms wanted, say:
-

Your thoughts?

I look at it as an opportunity for us to take control of the industry. A lot of the Best content producers are putting their efforts into Pond5x, guys like Via Films. I'm doing the same with some of my higher end stuff and will see how it goes. If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales, just dont use garbage footage for P5x.

Sounds like you want it to be extremely similar to istocks old 'Vetta' catalogue. Suppose everything comes around full circle? My 10 year old daughters fashion is highly influenced by the 90's. Mad to think that my generation is now vintage :0

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #8 on:** May 23, 2019, 02:31 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on May 21, 2019, 18:23

I look at it as an opportunity for us to take control of the industry. A lot of the Best content producers are putting their efforts into Pond5x, guys like Via Films. I'm doing the same with some of my higher end stuff and will see how it goes. If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales, just dont use garbage footage for P5x.

If VIAFilms truly believed in the exclusive program don't you think they would have put their 14k clips there?

Trippy · « **Reply #9 on:** May 23, 2019, 13:19 »

Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on May 22, 2019, 16:38

Quote from: Trippy on May 22, 2019, 09:14
Quote from: thirdbornentertainment on May 21, 2019, 18:23
Quote from: SuperPhoto on May 18, 2019, 08:53
thought I'd just post some thoughts here...

if footage was "truly" exclusive and desirable, and pond5 reached out to outlets that desired this truly exclusive footage - i.e., what the authors submitted was very difficult to obtain else where and news footage firms wanted, say:
-

Your thoughts?

I look at it as an opportunity for us to take control of the industry. A lot of the Best content producers are putting their efforts into Pond5x, guys like Via Films. I'm doing the same with some of my higher end stuff and will see how it goes. If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales, just dont use garbage footage for P5x.

Just how are you "taking control of the industry"?

"If all of the best content is exclusive then it will drive sales" - but all the best content is not exclusive.

It's up to you as a producer to if you actually care about the industry to not enable the race to the bottom type players. Since you dont produce quality content then maybe exclusive isnt for you