Author Topic: 10mm on crop sensor vs 16mm on full frame (Read 18254 times)

anathaya · « **on:** February 16, 2016, 21:18 »

I currently use Canon 10-22mm lens on crop sensor body (1.6 crop factor). I mostly use 10mm for landscape shots (including skylines). However, there is a severe distortion at 10mm. I'm thinking of buying a Full Frame body (most probably Canon 6D) and Canon 16-35mm F/4 lens. Do you think distortion will be lower at 16mm on Full frame compared to 10mm on crop sensor? Thanks!

Mantis · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2016, 21:32 »

Is the 10-22 a dx or fx lens? I use fx lenses on a cropped sensor most of the time. It cuts out some or all if the distortion. Going to a full frame won't help.

anathaya · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2016, 21:55 »

Quote from: Mantis on February 16, 2016, 21:32

Is the 10-22 a dx or fx lens?

Currently using Canon EF-S 10-22mm f/3.5-4.5 USM Lens with 70D body
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-S-10-22mm-f-3.5-4.5-USM-Lens-Review.aspx

Planning to change to Canon EF 16-35mm f/4L IS USM Lens with 6D body
http://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/Canon-EF-16-35mm-f-4-L-IS-USM-Lens.aspx

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2016, 22:54 »

Don't know whether it will affect distortion but 10 mm on a 1.6-crop-factor camera is the same as 16 mm full frame. I use the 10-22 all the time and I think the distortion you are talking about is inherent to any wide-angle lens unless you go for tilt shift. I assume you've tried correcting it in PS - that usually makes it tolerable. I think you will see the same thing at 16 mm full frame but don't have one to make a direct comparison.

anathaya · « **Reply #4 on:** February 16, 2016, 23:26 »

Quote from: sgoodwin4813 on February 16, 2016, 22:54

Don't know whether it will affect distortion but 10 mm on a 1.6-crop-factor camera is the same as 16 mm full frame. I use the 10-22 all the time and I think the distortion you are talking about is inherent to any wide-angle lens unless you go for tilt shift. I assume you've tried correcting it in PS - that usually makes it tolerable. I think you will see the same thing at 16 mm full frame but don't have one to make a direct comparison.

I normally try to correct it in LR, but sometimes distortion is not tolerable (e.g.: close shots of tall buildings).

50% · « **Reply #5 on:** February 17, 2016, 04:05 »

There is no distortion with 7-14mm Panasonic wideangle (would be 14-28mm on full frame). There is also no distortion with the Sigma 12-24mm full frame lens (old lens I don't now if its still in production) but this lens is very soft wide open and needs to be stopped down at least 2-3 full stops. Canon wideangle lenses are the worst of the market you better go with Sigma, Tamron etc. BTW I have th 16-35mm/2.8 from Canon and I can't recommendend it especially not considering the price tag.

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #6 on:** February 17, 2016, 04:10 »

Quote from: 50% on February 17, 2016, 04:05

Canon wideangle lenses are the worst of the market you better go with Sigma, Tamron etc. BTW I have th 16-35mm/2.8 from Canon and I can't recommendend it especially not considering the price tag.

It's a big difference between 16-35/f2.8 and f4. The last one is much better. You can look in my port and you will see that all my pictures with Dubai city was made with Canon 6D and Canon 16-35/f4.

anathaya · « **Reply #7 on:** February 17, 2016, 05:10 »

Quote from: Sebalos on February 17, 2016, 04:10

Quote from: 50% on February 17, 2016, 04:05
Canon wideangle lenses are the worst of the market you better go with Sigma, Tamron etc. BTW I have th 16-35mm/2.8 from Canon and I can't recommendend it especially not considering the price tag.

It's a big difference between 16-35/f2.8 and f4. The last one is much better. You can look in my port and you will see that all my pictures with Dubai city was made with Canon 6D and Canon 16-35/f4.

Was this taken at 16mm with 6D?
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-356079974/stock-photo-dubai-uae-november-modern-buildings-in-dubai-marina-dubai-uae-in-the-city-of-artificial.html

anathaya · « **Reply #8 on:** February 17, 2016, 05:11 »

Quote from: 50% on February 17, 2016, 04:05

There is no distortion with 7-14mm Panasonic wideangle (would be 14-28mm on full frame). There is also no distortion with the Sigma 12-24mm full frame lens (old lens I don't now if its still in production) but this lens is very soft wide open and needs to be stopped down at least 2-3 full stops. Canon wideangle lenses are the worst of the market you better go with Sigma, Tamron etc. BTW I have th 16-35mm/2.8 from Canon and I can't recommendend it especially not considering the price tag.

Can you please recommend good wide angle zoom lens which covers the range of 16-35mm?

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #9 on:** February 17, 2016, 05:33 »

Quote from: anathaya on February 17, 2016, 05:10

Quote from: Sebalos on February 17, 2016, 04:10
Quote from: 50% on February 17, 2016, 04:05
Canon wideangle lenses are the worst of the market you better go with Sigma, Tamron etc. BTW I have th 16-35mm/2.8 from Canon and I can't recommendend it especially not considering the price tag.

It's a big difference between 16-35/f2.8 and f4. The last one is much better. You can look in my port and you will see that all my pictures with Dubai city was made with Canon 6D and Canon 16-35/f4.

Was this taken at 16mm with 6D?
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-356079974/stock-photo-dubai-uae-november-modern-buildings-in-dubai-marina-dubai-uae-in-the-city-of-artificial.html

I think so. I'm not sure but when I will arrive at home I will check my picture and tell you more precise.

Sebastian Radu · « **Reply #10 on:** February 17, 2016, 11:27 »

Quote from: Sebalos on February 17, 2016, 05:33

Quote from: anathaya on February 17, 2016, 05:10
Quote from: Sebalos on February 17, 2016, 04:10
Quote from: 50% on February 17, 2016, 04:05
Canon wideangle lenses are the worst of the market you better go with Sigma, Tamron etc. BTW I have th 16-35mm/2.8 from Canon and I can't recommendend it especially not considering the price tag.

It's a big difference between 16-35/f2.8 and f4. The last one is much better. You can look in my port and you will see that all my pictures with Dubai city was made with Canon 6D and Canon 16-35/f4.

Was this taken at 16mm with 6D?
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-356079974/stock-photo-dubai-uae-november-modern-buildings-in-dubai-marina-dubai-uae-in-the-city-of-artificial.html

I think so. I'm not sure but when I will arrive at home I will check my picture and tell you more precise.

Yep, was 16 mm

anathaya · « **Reply #11 on:** February 17, 2016, 20:28 »

Quote from: Sebalos on February 17, 2016, 11:27

Yep, was 16 mm

Thanks for info.

FlowerPower · « **Reply #12 on:** February 18, 2016, 22:23 »

Quote from: anathaya on February 16, 2016, 21:18

I currently use Canon 10-22mm lens on crop sensor body (1.6 crop factor). I mostly use 10mm for landscape shots (including skylines). However, there is a severe distortion at 10mm. I'm thinking of buying a Full Frame body (most probably Canon 6D) and Canon 16-35mm F/4 lens. Do you think distortion will be lower at 16mm on Full frame compared to 10mm on crop sensor? Thanks!

No. Same field of view, different sensor. The lens makes the difference, not the sensor. You can have a distorted 28mm or a flat 28mm. What are you chasing? Same 10mm lens might be flat on the full frame and better?

compasiune11 · « **Reply #13 on:** May 12, 2016, 08:38 »

I have 10-18 and 16-35 ef-s and ef lens.
The L series lens beats the non-L version!

Zero Talent · « **Reply #14 on:** May 12, 2016, 08:42 »

Quote from: anathaya on February 16, 2016, 21:18

I currently use Canon 10-22mm lens on crop sensor body (1.6 crop factor). I mostly use 10mm for landscape shots (including skylines). However, there is a severe distortion at 10mm. I'm thinking of buying a Full Frame body (most probably Canon 6D) and Canon 16-35mm F/4 lens. Do you think distortion will be lower at 16mm on Full frame compared to 10mm on crop sensor? Thanks!

I have both.
While 10-22mm is a good sharp lens (no problems getting photos accepted by SS), 16-35mm f/2.8 mark II is definitely sharper with less corner distortions.

increasingdifficulty · « **Reply #15 on:** May 12, 2016, 08:46 »

The 16-35 f4 is a VERY, VERY sharp lens. It is sharper than the 2.8 and cheaper, so it's basically a no-brainer.

What kind of distortion do you mean? A 16mm lens will always have distortion (or lean back and look elongated) when close to a subject like a tall building.

Do you mean barrel distortion? The 16-35 is very good.

Zero Talent · « **Reply #16 on:** May 12, 2016, 08:53 »

here are some graphs, @ f/8, for all 3 lenses:

Rick D · « **Reply #17 on:** June 12, 2016, 04:44 »

An alternative would be to get the canon EF-s 10-18. As others say you will get the perspective distortion because it is so wide but the lens is a very good lens optically, and cheap compared to the alternatives at around £180. Just bear in mind that if you thinking of upgrading to FF body, that this lens wont be compatible

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