I searched for a Dall e2 thread before posting this but the search didn't show anything. Weird, I'd have just voiced my opinions on the original. Maybe I needed to add the -?

The only point for my post was:

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 28, 2022, 13:00

I did last time we had this same discussion?

I can't recall having this discussion with anyone before?

I wasn't being critical of you bringing it up again, or Firn, just that, yes we have done this dance before.

I find the updated discussion interesting and more opinions are added. Looking back at this, I see more that I missed last round.  I followed some more links and saw more of what the system could do. I still see it as best for simple, concepts and illustrations. That doesn't mean it won't get even better and more realistic.

I wonder how it will be used and marketed? I mean, per image online subscription? Or maybe software for sale which wouldn't surely open Pandora's box of new images. Will I be able to dream up a new image, have it made and add it to my images for license?

I'm convinced along the same lines as many others that there will always be a need for real photographers, and some situations can't be covered by software.

Quote from: Evaristo tenscadisto on June 28, 2022, 22:06

In ten years perhaps volume will be so easy to create digitally than a lot of individuals can actually have a personal microstock site store with millions instead of thousands. But for news or documentary stuff i think this will continue shy with no big changes

Which is why I am trying to do more journalism. Until all the air is filled with drones reporting in realtime, we can always walk around and document the world around us.

That has always been one of my interests. Documenting and journalism. Not as creative or interesting as "art", but it's interesting and a challenge for me, that I can enjoy.

Today I had the chance to try out DALL E and I started out by describing some of my bestsellers and see what my AI generated "competition" would be.

I can now safely say that it is how I thought: We are really really still FAR away from having to worry about AI generated photos replacing us.

Tricking AI and then saying it's flawed by giving the input poor definitions, isn't really proving anything.

But maybe this does: One of the descriptions I gave was " Two French Bulldogs with one wearing full body snowman costume and one wearing full body christrmas tree costume next to gift boxes" ( I tried to describe this image: https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/dogs-christmas-costumes-two-french-bulldogs-1850738611 )
In none of the results any of the dogs was wearing a christmas tree or a snowman costume. DALL E gave me a Christmas elf and santa costume instead. In one of the results the French Bulldog was replaced with a creepy looking plush dog.

Another example I tried was  "French Bulldog wearing full body devil costume with pitchfork" ( I tried to describe this image https://www.shutterstock.com/image-photo/french-bulldog-dog-red-halloween-devil-1822964279 )
None of the results gave me a full body costume. The dogs were wearing devil horns and had a pitchfork that floated weirdly in the air in front of them.

But the worst of all is that in all results DALL E gave me dogs that looked like Zombies with parts of their faces like eyes missing or eyes melting off their faces or with strangely twisted legs. The results weren't just bad. They were scary.
Also, the single elements of the images often were not put together well. Look at the strangely pasted pirate hat in the example below. It's not looking realistic at all.
Even the simple instruction "French Bulldog on white background" isn't producing the desired results.  First round of results I get dogs on white blankets with lots of folds in the fabric in all results, even though that's not what I asked for. Second round I suddenly got French Bulldogs on a white background like I asked, but in one of 4 results the head of the dog was not in the picture and the other 3 had melting zombie eyes again. In all results the dog was strangely placed in the picture, with body parts being cut off.
At this point I had seen enough nightmare material and tried for something harmless: "Leaf of Monstera Deliciosa Variegata plant". No result showed me a variegated version of the plant like I asked for. Next search for "Leaf of Philodendron Verrucosum plant" showed me two results of random Philodendon plant leaves, not belonging to a Verrucosum, one Monstera and one Epipremnum leaf. The AI obviously hasn't learned a thing about botany.

So, after having tried this out for myself I feel pretty assured in my original statement. We are not there yet. I don't even know where all the great examples that were used for advertising this came from, I couldn't produce one single usable result. At this state this product shouldn't even have been released for beta testing with the results it gives.

Scary zombie dogs:

Scary zombie dogs:

That's being kind. They are grotesque.

Dall e 1 was introduced in 2021, Dalle e 2 in 2022, one year only and it was much better than e1, so: real competition from these Ai systems may come much faster

Thanks for putting together a post about your experiences.

Leaving aside the usability of the resulting images, it seems that the issue of copyright in the end result will have many of the same tangles as in the music business where samples, even brief ones, have resulted in litigation. Agencies do not want to spend money on lawyers, so avoiding legal risk will, IMO, be a key factor in any rules they set for contributors.

I wouldn't call this harmless and I certainly didn't get any zombies. And if someone thinks he can learn tricks on how to write prompts in a day he is far from the fact that you have to spend some credits to train yourself.

Also, keep in mind this was my first and only try on this topic , that I didn't play with descriptions like "full body" and similar ones to avoid body parts cutting off etc. Your prompts should be accurate, If you don't want zombies, use something like cute, you want front or side view,  just write it.

Its already here, Its pretty useful even if its still in beta , and it will just get better.

You need to study harder 

Wow, it's like looking in the mirror

Sure, DELL can create a slice of fish or a horse on a beach. Give it something more complex and creative and it fails. It's like with my failed attempts to recreate one of my bestsellers. It can't understand the instruction "French Bulldog wearing a fullbody snowman cosutume" in the context of the rest of the description. If I just write "French Bulldog dog wearing full body snowman costume" I get decent results, at leats of the costume (But 50% zombie dog faces again). If I use the very same sentence but describe another dog in a costume standing next to it and some gift boxes added DELL suddenly can't remember what a snowman is. Sometimes it can't even remember what a dog is. 

i have no clue about all this ai,
but for me it looks like results are generated (stolen)

from existing keyworded work - without consent, compensation and regard of copyright

no way a cgi can have the idea of dof, light etc

just started today - here are the results of my first session

long view of climbers near summit of an himalyan peak



mountain biker riding through an alpine meadow with mountains in the background



rock climber silhouette on steep rock face




19th century naval battle 




misfires:
hms victory' ship-of-the-line at naval battle of trafalgar --> showed only the ship, docked

roman legion attacking a city wall -- 2 soldiers, but too close