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« Reply #1200 on: December 12, 2024, 22:33 »
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People will always want capture real events and people with cameras.


« Reply #1201 on: December 12, 2024, 23:06 »
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People will always want capture real events and people with cameras.
That quote has different meaning depending what year its applied to: 1920, 1970, 2000, 2024, or 2030? Photography, is much younger than traditional art, yet evolved quite a bit, especially with better smartphones. AI will evolve it even more and we will have phones that will achieve the same quality as professional photographers currently do with very expensive cameras. We just need a fast affordable phone chip and AI technology for upscaling that photo right on the phone. Plus all in one editing phone apps that will allow professional quality photo edits. I bet Adobe is working on one now.

Anyone will be able to take, edit and post professional quality photos in a few years. The question will be only composition and new ideas.

Video Killed the Radio Star
AI killed photography and art

« Last Edit: December 13, 2024, 00:11 by Mifornia »

« Reply #1202 on: December 13, 2024, 02:11 »
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I think you have been watching too many science fiction movies. And are probably also not working with ai to create anything.

I use image ai every single day and 90 % is still not usable, unless you rework in photoshop and edit many details.

Most importantly there is absolutely no intelligence in ai.

It is fantasy pixel mixing machine and needs human input every step of the way.

It cannot draw hands correctly because it has absolute zero understanding what a hand is or how it works.

It keeps creating weird hybrid animals, plants, strange furniture with too many legs because even the slightest understanding for the real world is completely missing. It does not know what a chair is, what a flower is, what an animal is, what a piece of cheese is.

Technology evolves much more slowly than people keep assuming.

It is 2024 and we are still typing on keyboards, using a mouse or trackpen.

We are not magically moving 3d holograms or using our minds directly to beam texts into our computers.

I grew up in a small town that had the first ever museum for holographic art in the 1980s.

We all thought that this would be the future of photography and obviously by now all photo art would be holographic.

Really, the best way to stop being terrified of ai is to simply use it.

It is not a magic machine stealing your soul.

It is a very imperfect and time intensive tool that has improved very little in the last two years.

It is also not self learning, it constantly needs dataset training and human software changes to improve.

Self learning and recognizing mistakes is the basis of actual intelligence.

The pixel mixer does not have that.






« Reply #1203 on: December 13, 2024, 07:32 »
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@Mifornia I believe the 100 page limit you say is simply the maximum limit that can be displayed when viewing your port,not the maximum limit of files you can have on an account.

If I remember correctly,the maximum content limit for an account is one million,but only the first 100 pages are always displayed,the top 100 pages of best-selling content and new content.

creating AI content that sells is at least as difficult as creating real content that sells.

in my opinion AI is just starting both in the creative sector and in any other use.

In reality we are still at the beginning of everything regarding technology in general,and also regarding everything else including common sense!  :D

think that the first real application of an incandescent light bulb dates back to about 150 years ago,that is,just yesterday!

in my opinion,we are still prehistoric beings who do not know they are,and we actually think we are evolved.

we just need to look at everything that is happening in the world to make us realize how much we still haven't understood anything and we still have to learn how to behave.

AI image/video generators are nothing more than tools,there will always be space and need for real content,they are different subjects that can serve in different ways.






« Reply #1204 on: December 13, 2024, 10:21 »
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People will always want capture real events and people with cameras.

I wouldn't sign this statement because it doesn't match my own empirical observations.

Currently, over 90% of my AI generated that sell are motifs that clearly don't show to a real setting, but are obviously fictional. However, they are creative and have a clear visual message.

I can imagine the context for which customers need these images. For these purposes, real photo shoots would be simply too expensive and therefore not profitable.

By the way, I'm experiencing the same problem today as middle of the week, when after reviewing 100 new images, my sales have dropped significantly. And it were different motifs, so It could not be seen as spamming.

I believe that the ranking of single images is also related to the size of the portfolio and its profitability.

I'll see if my sales increase again when I delete old, unsold images and reduce the size of my portfolio, so that the algos would see my portfolio more profitable again.

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Interesting, found this question Adobe's community:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/stock-contributors-discussions/adobe-stock-algorithms/m-p/14485107

Seems that some have the same idea like about the ranking system.

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This is how I would do it:

Everybody gets a rank. The rank is your multiplier. The rank is based on your recent number of sales and the recent number of accepted assets.

Every asset gets a rank based on your rank and the number of (recent) sales and the age of the asset, and perhaps the favourite saves.

Exactly how I would implement the algorithm. I would always want to show the most profitable contributors first because they are the making $$$ horses and want to be motivated.
But the profitability of a portfolio can only be calculated based on sales and number of current accepted images.
So if your portfolio increases in size but not in sales your rank will drop and aswell the sales.

That would explain why small contributors can be so successfull and why most of us see a drop in sales although our portfolio is increasing in size.
So you can only beat the system if your portfolio is extremly good diversified in sales across the content.
« Last Edit: December 13, 2024, 11:05 by Andrej.S. »

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« Reply #1205 on: December 13, 2024, 10:43 »
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I wasn't speaking directly about stock. I meant photography in general.

« Reply #1206 on: December 13, 2024, 11:32 »
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@Mifornia I believe the 100 page limit you say is simply the maximum limit that can be displayed when viewing your port,not the maximum limit of files you can have on an account.

If I remember correctly,the maximum content limit for an account is one million,but only the first 100 pages are always displayed,the top 100 pages of best-selling content and new content.

creating AI content that sells is at least as difficult as creating real content that sells.

in my opinion AI is just starting both in the creative sector and in any other use.

In reality we are still at the beginning of everything regarding technology in general,and also regarding everything else including common sense!  :D

think that the first real application of an incandescent light bulb dates back to about 150 years ago,that is,just yesterday!

in my opinion,we are still prehistoric beings who do not know they are,and we actually think we are evolved.

we just need to look at everything that is happening in the world to make us realize how much we still haven't understood anything and we still have to learn how to behave.

AI image/video generators are nothing more than tools,there will always be space and need for real content,they are different subjects that can serve in different ways.
Thank you for your explanation

« Reply #1207 on: December 13, 2024, 11:39 »
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I think you have been watching too many science fiction movies. And are probably also not working with ai to create anything.

I use image ai every single day and 90 % is still not usable, unless you rework in photoshop and edit many details.

Most importantly there is absolutely no intelligence in ai.

It is fantasy pixel mixing machine and needs human input every step of the way.

It cannot draw hands correctly because it has absolute zero understanding what a hand is or how it works.

It keeps creating weird hybrid animals, plants, strange furniture with too many legs because even the slightest understanding for the real world is completely missing. It does not know what a chair is, what a flower is, what an animal is, what a piece of cheese is.

Technology evolves much more slowly than people keep assuming.

It is 2024 and we are still typing on keyboards, using a mouse or trackpen.

We are not magically moving 3d holograms or using our minds directly to beam texts into our computers.

I grew up in a small town that had the first ever museum for holographic art in the 1980s.

We all thought that this would be the future of photography and obviously by now all photo art would be holographic.

Really, the best way to stop being terrified of ai is to simply use it.

It is not a magic machine stealing your soul.

It is a very imperfect and time intensive tool that has improved very little in the last two years.

It is also not self learning, it constantly needs dataset training and human software changes to improve.

Self learning and recognizing mistakes is the basis of actual intelligence.

The pixel mixer does not have that.
Ive just finished listening to a couple of presentations by leading AI visionaries and AI engineers in Silicon Valley. We live in very interesting time and disruption that AI will bring in the next 5 years will be mind blowing, so its understandable that you are skeptical. Lets follow the money, since people dont invest because of science fiction, but for return on their investment.

Dan Ives, managing director and senior equity research analyst at Wedbush Securities said Now we are seeing a $1 trillion of AI Capex over the next three years as OpenAI has been the linchpin to AI success and adoption we are seeing at Nvidia, Microsoft, Google, and across the tech world,

 $6.6 billion was raised in the first funding round of a privately held AI startup called Open AI (ChatGpt) Its the largest venture capital deal of all time, which values the company at $157 billion. It makes OpenAI among the highest-valued private companies in the world. OpenAI now is worth more than 87% of the S&P 500 companies. (Let it sync in) Company is operating in 2024 on losses of $5 billion, but it targets $11.6 billion in annual revenue in 2025.

 You are referring to one of the AI models that generates photos and art for you. I hope you dont think that companies are investing billions of dollars in AI because it can generate photos, Art, or write a book? Customer support, efficiency, transportation, finance, Healthcare and military technology are the focus. The primarily plan to monetize AI technology through a subscription model, however Open AI company already shifted away from the not for profit approach and signed a military contract with the government. The company says it will partner with the defense-tech company Anduril, a maker of AI-powered drones, radar systems, and missiles, to help US and allied forces defend against drone attacks. Venture capital firms more than doubled their investment in defense tech in 2021, to $40 billion, after firms like Anduril and Palantir proved that with some persuasion (and litigation), the Pentagon would pay handsomely for new technologies after White House issued its National Security Memorandum on AI, which ordered the Pentagon and other agencies to ramp up their use of AI, in part to the competition from China.

In healthcare it already been proven that convolution neural network (CNN) DL algorithms can extract features, followed by the training and testing of an ML-based classifier to produce a superior classification [39,40]. Recently, CVD risk and coronary artery calcium scores have been predicted using retinal images [41,42]. Predictions of diabetic retinopathy (DR) have been made using ML and DL-based systems [43,44,45,46]. Therefore, AI-based systems make it possible to examine the risk of stroke and CVD diseases and the need for human intervention [47]. The use of AI-based algorithms in specific carotid ultrasonography applications has shown promise [48,49]. Therefore, these AI-based models may be used in patient risk evaluation to jointly treat diabetic retinopathy (DR) and CVD illnesses [50].

 Its important to understand that currently there is no central AI that fiction writers predicted. Instead there are many AI models that are focused on different tasks. (The image generating AI model that you use is not the same model that US government will use for drones or Stanford healthcare is using for diagnostics)
In 2025 companies will develop even smaller more task targeted AI models (SLMs) to make AI cheaper to run and seemingly reduce dependencies on OpenAI. In 2025 development will be SLMs bots talking to SLMs bots about AI tools and how they can help improve operational efficiency. Think of them like different apps on your phone for different tasks with different customer ratings and satisfaction. General public wouldnt even notice that they are AI bots.

The information is out there, its groundbreaking and mind blowing and some may not be ready to believe it, but its still happening . (Blockbuster also didnt believe that they would be out of business and just didnt adjust fast enough to keep up with new technology )

PS: A friendly joke: I think you are c 1 s 1 iw 3 sref current and Imc 100 s 1000 iw 0 sref future ;)
« Last Edit: December 13, 2024, 12:05 by Mifornia »

« Reply #1208 on: December 13, 2024, 12:01 »
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Business and tech investment go through cycles. I am an old person, over 50..I remember so many "groundbreaking" tech promised that never came to to pass the way they were announced.

Billions are indeed invested purely  on hype. Whether it actually works in the end...does not matter, by then wall street will have a new magic carpet subject they announce and promote to take your money.

Remember how blockchain technology would change the world? Superconductiviy was all the rage when I was at university doing chemistry. Or fusion energy, which  will indeed change everything one day but how many centuries until it is ready...etc...

Ai is a tool, the way computers are tools.

It is not magic and the development of serious technology takes decades.

The thing missing is "intelligence" in so called artificial intelligence. It is the reason why you cannot trust ai to write or develop scienctifically accurate articles.

It does not understand what it is writing about. It is a fantasy text mixing machine, the same way it is a fantasy pixel mixing machine.

The most essential issue - intelligence, is simply not there.

Visual ai is a great way to test how the overall developmental stage of ai is.

And absolutely nothing about ai is impressive if you use the tool every day.

If ai cannot understand that a hand has 5 fingers, not 6, 3 or 8 after several years of development, it is certainly is not capable to be relied on for critical military tasks or healthcare.


« Last Edit: December 13, 2024, 12:12 by cobalt »

« Reply #1209 on: December 13, 2024, 12:18 »
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There is no one central AI machine that you are referring to that is fantasy text mixing machine or fantasy pixel mixing machine

There are many AI models that are developed by different companies, that are focused on different tasks, have different performance capabilities and intelligence. You are judging a whole AI from experience from only one platform (visuals)

The image generating AI model that you use is not the same model that US government will use for drones or Stanford healthcare is using for diagnostics. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9777836/
« Last Edit: December 13, 2024, 12:21 by Mifornia »

« Reply #1210 on: December 13, 2024, 15:31 »
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The base mathematics/software models for the concept of ai is the same.

Different industries then adapt the underlying idea.

And visual ai improvement is a very good benchmark to use. Same as chat/text models that are supposed to create summaries or even do an analysis while drawing on all scientific articles available from the internet or scientific databases.

Both visuals and text can be easily checked by any normal human. Because we actually have an intelligent, self learning smart brain.

If after several years of development something simple like a hand with 5 fingers does not work reliably inspite of some of the largest software companies in the world throwing billions of dollars at itthe development time for real industry changing results is many, many years out.

There is currently just one really interesting hype technology going mainstream and it is not ai.

It is the technology used by Biontec to help develop personalized cancer medicine. This technology has advanced a lot and was base field tested by covid.

We might actually see a huge improvement in cancer treatment, perhaps already in 5 years.

Same for many other difficult illnesses.

But the technology behind it has been in development for over 30 years. I remember learning about it in the 1980/s early nineties.

Billions of dollars invested, probably several hundred thousands scientists working globally on the treatments.

There are so many details to explore and evaluate and then to retry with new experiments.

Nothing about this is automatic.

And for the stock industry I see none of the horror scenarious happening, because using ai is a tool like using a camera.

Our customers could also take their own pictures, actually many do, but usually they buy from agencies because they have no time.

« Reply #1211 on: December 13, 2024, 18:01 »
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AI future is warfare , transportation, and healthcare
Particularly macro bots that will be available in next 5 years to be injected in to your bloodstream to monitor personalized for your needs health issues to prevent problems. Life saving and even delayed aging will be possible with AI macro bots. (For those who dont want to use AI in your healthcare, dont do Invisiline or crowns, since scan is done with AI for several years already, etc.)

What do you think the convid shots were for? People (in general) needed to manipulated somehow to being injected with a poison for a non-existant 'virus' (ppl got 'sick' from the masks/PPE/ramming a stick up their nose to touch their brain, not an imaginary 'virus' that could count the # of ppl at a table and knew if you were sitting or standing up in a restaurant)... the funny thing is - it wasn't really designed to "prevent" health issues, but rather to "control" them, track them, manipulate them... the "anti-aging" stuff is "not" for your benefit (unless you are a good 'worker' slave, and "they" want you to "live longer" so you can be a slave longer/working longer - people aren't supposed to have to "work". it is a construct.).  (read up on things like microsoft patent 2020-060606, more recently, or look into companies like profusa with their 'bionsensors", etc). If you got a shot, you already HAVE had stuff injected into your bloodstream. "Side effects" (which are actually deliberate "effects" of the shots) appear simply be because some bodies of people can't, or won't, adapt/accept the tech/biological wires/etc that were injected into them. It was, still is, poison.

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Smart AI macro bots will be able to boost your IQ up to 100 times and you can finish 12 grades or PHD in a year or less, learn a new language in a day, etc.. Unfortunately, macro bots will further increase the difference of income, since not everyone will be able to afford them. So itll be wealthy people who will make a lot of money with their careers when macro bots will come out.

Actually, from all appearances - what happened (esp. last 4 years) - is it actually seems designed to LIMIT people's intelligence... the small group of people who manipulated most of the world don't really want "smart" people - they want obedient monkeys that can push buttons... if they can "think" - then the small group feels threatened - because they manipulate people in general through fear, money printing, etc (they don't actually "do" anything, just tell other ppl what to do).

You actually can become conversant in a language within a month (I've done it) - just the "standard" education that is taught in schools is not designed to "make" you intelligent, but rather give you the "feeling" of being "intelligent". In general you are rewarded for how well you MEMORIZE things ("historical facts", "equations", "formulas", etc) - NOT how well you can think/reason/etc. That's part of how "well how many DEGREES do you have" was used to try and "shut down" arguments - as if someone "with" a degree was bestowed with "divine intelligence" (by mere fact of "having" a degree, which they weren't). On top of that, many people in universities don't actually even "earn" their degrees either - but copy from others, fudge #'s, passed via "bell curves" to keep the "status quo", etc, etc. (And lol - I am actually speaking as someone who 'earned' degrees - I saw a lot of people who were dumb as f___).

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People use to cling to old technology like rotary phones, and said they didnt need a mobile or smartphone, yet who is using pagers now?

Actually... 30 years ago - you were considered wealthy if you "had" a cellphone. Now, you are considered wealthy if you "don't" have a cellphone.

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PS: I can draw perfect classical hands and teach you to do that, in case AI will fail 😉 if China and Russsia will stop exporting the rare minerals that needed for AI chip production or US will not reopen nuclear power plants that are needed for massive AI computing.

A lot of the "supply chain" stuff is utter nonsense... it was more a "shock test" (by the people controlling the banks) to see how people would react/what they would do. There is ample supply, there is no "supply chain shortage", never was, still isn't. There is, however - manipulation/redirection/etc designed to try and frighten/scare people, and manipulate stock prices/manipulate companies, make them cheap to buy for cents on the dollar then 'miraculously' they are revived.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2024, 07:41 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #1212 on: December 15, 2024, 00:30 »
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I think we are now getting to the phase where my rank improves even if my sales are steady or even slower, because overall things are now starting to slow down. By Dec 20th we enter the death zone, that lasts until January 15th. At least that is the way it has been for me in the past.

pos 634, files 7200

« Reply #1213 on: December 15, 2024, 01:17 »
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I think we are now getting to the phase where my rank improves even if my sales are steady or even slower, because overall things are now starting to slow down. By Dec 20th we enter the death zone, that lasts until January 15th. At least that is the way it has been for me in the past.

pos 634, files 7200

Very good! Though I take your word for your sales activity being ordinary because it looks great to me. I'm right in the middle of the summer slump here in Australia, probably not helped by really good summer weather. Double whammy here, we have the summer slump and Christmas holiday converging. But looking at your results is encouraging to see there is still a lot of gold in them thar hills.

« Reply #1214 on: December 15, 2024, 03:38 »
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Like I explained before, christmas and winter is probably the genre where I have an old advantage from my old photo bestsellers. While I didn't upload much for 9 years, I was always getting gold sales for christmas with my old files.

Getting into other seasonal genres, for instance easter or halloween, or simply any other genre like people or food is much harder for me.

So the holiday season is always bittersweet, I really enjoy being in the top 1000 but I dread the frustration of falling down again in January.

On the other hand...all other times of the year I had a great increase in sales yoy, but the holiday season had the exact same results for November and December looks like it might be 30% less...unless maybe a little spring picks up in the last week.

But in 2023 I had a very strong push from being on the bestseller list which is missing this year.

Biggest advantage, I am no longer dependent on individual bestsellers like last year. This year it is all spread very nicely over all files.

Well, some series I had high hopes for didn't work at all. But some other series stepped in.

But it is possible to move up in sales, sometimes crazy fast, if you have something the customers like.




I wish I was in Australia now! Our rainy, dark, grey weather is no fun. And the real cold is still coming.

Are there no summer season/beach/vacation themes you could explore more?

Or will they all sell in the Northern hemisphere time?
« Last Edit: December 15, 2024, 04:33 by cobalt »

« Reply #1215 on: December 15, 2024, 06:01 »
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For me this has been a bad week,but at least not the worst of the year!

I just took a look at last year's sales,I actually think sales should continue at a normal level until December 23,then pick up again on the 27th,then perhaps another small break between January 31st and 2nd.

From what I see from last year's sales,sales should continue pretty normally even during the holiday period,except perhaps for those days.

« Reply #1216 on: December 15, 2024, 06:28 »
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I hope you are right!!

But for me that is usually not the case.

« Reply #1217 on: December 15, 2024, 11:01 »
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I hope you are right!!

But for me that is usually not the case.

I hope too!  :D

« Reply #1218 on: December 15, 2024, 23:41 »
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My ranking as of now is 1,220th with 9,808 photos in my Adobe Stock portfolio.  Last week was at about the same ranking too.  My lifetime ranking is around 1,600th.  So, I made a progress after adding 3,000 AI generated photos since last September or so.  I think many with higher ranking have a lot less photos/images on their portfolio than I do.

🥹 Oh god, The sad part is only 1220 people have over 27 downloads for the whole week 😢 , My opinion is big numbers win this game. Need to upload more & more

« Reply #1219 on: December 16, 2024, 08:10 »
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But there might be a lot of people making more money inspite of a lower weekly rank. Especially video producers will have lower  ranks, but can have much higher sales.

As predicted, moving up a bit inspite of sales slowing down

pos 628, 7250 files

« Reply #1220 on: December 16, 2024, 11:51 »
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But there might be a lot of people making more money inspite of a lower weekly rank. Especially video producers will have lower  ranks, but can have much higher sales.

As predicted, moving up a bit inspite of sales slowing down

pos 628, 7250 files

Yep, I can confirm the slowing down. 17 Downloads today with position 2.870 and 3.800 files.. I will also crash very hard in the january since I'm currently selling 90% only christmas content. I have 1.000 pending images, of which are about 200 further christmas stuff, that is still in review since almost 6 weeks ...

« Reply #1221 on: December 17, 2024, 09:36 »
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I don't confirm the slowdown,in fact this week is already better than last week,and I have already reached last December's sales number.

From January my sales should increase further,I don't have much Christmas content and I definitely need to do more people,I already have ready and selected more generated people content,but I have to start working on it as soon as I finish the current project.

Lots to do,better get to work!  :)








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« Reply #1222 on: December 17, 2024, 13:04 »
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I don't confirm the slowdown,in fact this week is already better than last week,and I have already reached last December's sales number.

From January my sales should increase further,I don't have much Christmas content and I definitely need to do more people,I already have ready and selected more generated people content,but I have to start working on it as soon as I finish the current project.

Lots to do,better get to work!  :)

I'd agree that there's no telling. I just had a burst of sales today. I never know why or when someone is going to want something. Cobalt is right about the Holiday sales, I always get a boost from that. But, I just had an Easter image download. Something I uploaded two years ago. My St. Patrick's Day project was a dud. Maybe they will pick up after two years of laying dormant? No I don't mean rank, just sales would be good.

I'm done uploading new, for this year. I'm saving anything else for 2025, to kick off the New Year with some uploads.

« Reply #1223 on: December 17, 2024, 16:24 »
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I don't confirm the slowdown,in fact this week is already better than last week,and I have already reached last December's sales number.

From January my sales should increase further,I don't have much Christmas content and I definitely need to do more people,I already have ready and selected more generated people content,but I have to start working on it as soon as I finish the current project.

Lots to do,better get to work!  :)

I'd agree that there's no telling. I just had a burst of sales today. I never know why or when someone is going to want something. Cobalt is right about the Holiday sales, I always get a boost from that. But, I just had an Easter image download. Something I uploaded two years ago. My St. Patrick's Day project was a dud. Maybe they will pick up after two years of laying dormant? No I don't mean rank, just sales would be good.

I'm done uploading new, for this year. I'm saving anything else for 2025, to kick off the New Year with some uploads.

Pete,here every day is a kick off!  :D

I have sold enough of the few Christmas images I have,especially in November,but even these days continue to generate some sales.

I have many projects in the pipeline,I generated a lot from mid-October to mid-November.

I'm now going with the max speed possible,I've never uploaded so much in a so short time,as I have these days,this is because for me 2025 will be somewhat of a year of truth.

now,and in the next 2-3 months at least I have to go to the maximum,because in 2025 I need to see better result,concrete results.

i have to see a more consistence stream of sales,but this clearly depends above all on me and what I will be able to do,at least I think in part.

for the moment I am certainly pleased to see that this month has also been better than all the previous years,but there is still a long distance from here to saying that it is enough,this is why 2025 will be an important year for me,also for all the reasons I have written about here in the past.

In any case,for now I don't want to think about it and I just want to go to the max and then see what happens.

I hope I can make it,I'm also very tired!  :D

« Reply #1224 on: December 18, 2024, 11:11 »
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another little move up, although sales volume is less.

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