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« Reply #1150 on: December 05, 2024, 05:31 »
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pos 665, files 7100

but sadly it will probably be less this December than last

Nice stats! I would suppose your christmas and winter content is currently selling like hotdogs?

I'm currently at pos 6.460 with 90 sales / 80,41 $. Selling approx 95%+ only christmas content.
3.400 images.



« Reply #1151 on: December 05, 2024, 06:41 »
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for 3400 files that is a very good rank

i owe my good holiday rank to my old istock bestsellers. they paved the way.

at least one advantage from the good old days.

and a visible reminder of what is possible if customers like your files. now I just need useful content for the rest of the year.

« Reply #1152 on: December 05, 2024, 07:09 »
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Pos 3680 here. Only about 20% sales from Christmas related content right now (I don't have much Christmas content).

« Reply #1153 on: December 05, 2024, 15:16 »
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for 3400 files that is a very good rank

i owe my good holiday rank to my old istock bestsellers. they paved the way.

at least one advantage from the good old days.

and a visible reminder of what is possible if customers like your files. now I just need useful content for the rest of the year.

Yeah, for AI content, one has to focus on quality (it should be impossible to distinguish from a real photo) and niches.

The great thing about AI is that you can really quickly generate images and fill the niches you find.

It's like you've often said in the past: people don't just look for nice images, but also usable ones.

For example, when thinking about Christmas and Santa, it should either be very modern inspired motifs or combine the theme with products and services.

Especially when you start combining themes with products or services, you can find niches.

Maybe it even makes sense to have AI create mind maps for topics, so you can identify niches more quickly. For Christmas, my approach seems to be successful.

So far this week:
Downloads: 113 Earnings: 97,65 $ Position: 4.780.

3.485 images.

« Reply #1154 on: December 05, 2024, 15:47 »
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That is really an excellent result, probably much higher than what I will have when I drop back down in January.

Now, where will you be when you have 12k files?

I like the idea of combining a genre with different professions. That will give you a lot of niches.

I was looking at country specific "flavors or vibes". For instance in the US christmas is often a very colorful, loud happy party family and friends gathering.

In Germany it is a lot more subdued often very, very private close family only celebration. Even non religious people might go to church on christmas eve, the evening is more quiet with classical music, colors are matte, lots of handmade wood things, matte candles and lights. Nothing flashy, pink or plastic.

A lot of traditions, decoration elements made by grandparents hanging in your tree...etc...

Now if you want to do christmas Italian style that will look very different again, Swedish style, Portugal, Spain, Romania, Poland...Europe has a lot of regionally different christmas traditions.

And the buyer will recognize if you thought of them when you created the content.

Many yearly events, when you look at the details, are celebrated quite differently with the specific local customs.

Same for weddings, birthdays, funerals, memorials, end of school celebrations etc...there are a lot of local variations.

Of course it is best to be from the region to do it well, but with good research I might also be able to generate content for a christmas celebration for the Philippines.

When looking for niches I usually just do soup...x million files, german soup or soup germany...much less...often less than 10 000.

And then you start to see gaps everywhere and realize our job is endless and all the duplicates of duplicates don't matter.


« Reply #1155 on: December 06, 2024, 05:57 »
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That is really an excellent result, probably much higher than what I will have when I drop back down in January.

Now, where will you be when you have 12k files?

I like the idea of combining a genre with different professions. That will give you a lot of niches.

I was looking at country specific "flavors or vibes". For instance in the US christmas is often a very colorful, loud happy party family and friends gathering.

In Germany it is a lot more subdued often very, very private close family only celebration. Even non religious people might go to church on christmas eve, the evening is more quiet with classical music, colors are matte, lots of handmade wood things, matte candles and lights. Nothing flashy, pink or plastic.

A lot of traditions, decoration elements made by grandparents hanging in your tree...etc...

Now if you want to do christmas Italian style that will look very different again, Swedish style, Portugal, Spain, Romania, Poland...Europe has a lot of regionally different christmas traditions.

And the buyer will recognize if you thought of them when you created the content.

Many yearly events, when you look at the details, are celebrated quite differently with the specific local customs.

Same for weddings, birthdays, funerals, memorials, end of school celebrations etc...there are a lot of local variations.

Of course it is best to be from the region to do it well, but with good research I might also be able to generate content for a christmas celebration for the Philippines.

When looking for niches I usually just do soup...x million files, german soup or soup germany...much less...often less than 10 000.

And then you start to see gaps everywhere and realize our job is endless and all the duplicates of duplicates don't matter.

Yeah, absolutely, and combining these topics with current trends like sustainability, diversity, and mental health...

The possibilities for niches are almost endless. There are more than one would suppose at first glance.

Personally, I'd rather focus on building a well-diversified portfolio with a balanced sales ratio across various topics, rather than relying on just a few strong bestsellers.

That's because if you're heavily dependent on just a few top-performing images / videos and the algorithms or rankings of these change, your entire portfolio's ranking can shift dramatically.

I believe you can reach 500 USD / week with 12k portfolio. I mean if some one here achieved over 1k / week with a 20k portfolio, it should be possible.

Now imagine what's possible if you go further and combine illustrations, vector graphics, templates, movies.

You can still make a good fulltime living with Microsrock over the next years if you work smarter and not harder.

I've started uploading images on other topics now, with the goal of diversifying my portfolio over the next year.

Sofar 124 Downloads and 107,89 $.
« Last Edit: December 06, 2024, 06:02 by Andrej.S. »

« Reply #1156 on: December 06, 2024, 09:21 »
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You are one of the few people that are getting it.

People just look at these numbers. - 6 million new files accepted in a week...but they never actually look at what is coming in. The vast majority are just duplicates. It is the same for photos not just ai, most people just try to do a "sort by downloads" search on agencies where that is possible and then just copy the top three pages as identical as possible.

Once you really start to look for niches and gaps you realize how empty the agencies really are.

Also agree with preferring content that is mid level, not ultimate bestsellers. While it is nice to have a file that sells every day, or even 10 times a day in a specific season, I very much prefer files that sell reliable every month or every week.

If you have 12 000 files where 4000 sell 10 times a year, you will get around 30k.

Of course it is not easy to create files that will sell reliably 10 times every year, but with experience you will get there.

And like you say, very broad subject matters and files types. Especially for video I see a big future.

The future for stock is endless, you just have to open your eyes and see.


Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #1157 on: December 06, 2024, 13:21 »
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Once you really start to look for niches and gaps you realize how empty the agencies really are.


I think there are some of us who have been saying that for about ten years. Find subjects, shots that are missing or have low counts, maybe older or not so great images, and make the best one possible, new, fresh, modern, or at least better than anything else that's on the sites.

You're right, there's room for niche subjects, and a need. The other thing that's easy is, find location specific images, locally. There never seems to be an end to the need for those, and everyone can't go there to compete. Along the same lines, if anyone can get access to something that most others cannot, that's also a good possibility.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #1158 on: December 06, 2024, 13:34 »
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Nice stats! I would suppose your christmas and winter content is currently selling like hotdogs?


Is that similar to selling like hotcakes, or best thing since sliced bread? (what was the best thing, before sliced bread?)  ;D Flying off the shelf, and the next big thing. LOL But here's hot dogs, and I think that's better than what I do. "50 customers per day * $8 per dog = $400 per day" 33% cost, would be 66% profit. $264 a day. I'd like to make that with Microstock? I doubt that any hot dog cart actually makes 50% but OK $200 a day? Not Bad?

Oh yes, When I say Holiday images, mine are Thanksgiving which is localized, but then Christmas and some small New Years downloads. Next is Easter and Mardi Gras. Neither of the last two are worth mention, but they are Holiday images. I've tried Valentines, St. Patrick's Day and the 4th of July. Still nothing beats Christmas.

« Reply #1159 on: December 07, 2024, 05:32 »
+1
Already moving back down. Still it was fun.

pos 692, files 7200

eta

christmas has a high sales potential but you can still make money with other festivals. you just need a lot more and very diverse files. if you have 1000 christmas images, then you will probably need 5000 easter images to get a similar result.

« Reply #1160 on: December 07, 2024, 10:24 »
+1
Already moving back down. Still it was fun.

pos 692, files 7200

eta

christmas has a high sales potential but you can still make money with other festivals. you just need a lot more and very diverse files. if you have 1000 christmas images, then you will probably need 5000 easter images to get a similar result.


Nice!  :)

« Reply #1161 on: December 07, 2024, 13:39 »
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..... I strongly bet that the Flux Model will improve further enormously, because it's licensed now by Elon Musk / X.

sure - just look how he's improved twitter!
« Last Edit: December 07, 2024, 13:42 by cascoly »

« Reply #1162 on: December 07, 2024, 17:13 »
+1
Already moving back down. Still it was fun.

pos 692, files 7200

eta

christmas has a high sales potential but you can still make money with other festivals. you just need a lot more and very diverse files. if you have 1000 christmas images, then you will probably need 5000 easter images to get a similar result.

That's pretty awesome.  Congrats!!

« Reply #1163 on: December 09, 2024, 05:05 »
+1
Already moving back down. Still it was fun.

pos 692, files 7200

eta

christmas has a high sales potential but you can still make money with other festivals. you just need a lot more and very diverse files. if you have 1000 christmas images, then you will probably need 5000 easter images to get a similar result.

Awesome stats!
Last week was really quite fun. Had 144 Downloads and was position 3820.

Hope this week will be the same level or higher.

..... I strongly bet that the Flux Model will improve further enormously, because it's licensed now by Elon Musk / X.

sure - just look how he's improved twitter!
Yeah, he messed up with Twitter really hard but his xAI start up is promising as their Grok-2 LLM is almost on the same level like ChatGPT4.

Today, I read in the German business magazine 'Wirtschafts Woche' about the German start-up Q.ANT, which has developed a new technology for AI processors that is 30 to 50 times more powerful and energy-efficient than NVIDIA's current flagship.

So I stick to my earlier prediction that we will be able to generate AI images and videos in real-time within 3 to max. 5 years.

That will be really fun!

« Reply #1164 on: December 09, 2024, 07:07 »
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Good points, but there's a big problem with the data feeding AIit's drying up, and worse, it's getting polluted with AI-generated content. Real, high-quality data takes decades to build, and were running out of fresh, untouched sources.

Sure, AI is useful, but the idea of generating real-time AI images or videos in 3-5 years feels like an overestimation. There isnt even an AI yet that can produce high-quality 3D models with proper topology, let alone handle physics-based simulations like volcano eruptions accurately. Those still rely on real CPU-heavy mathematics, not AI magic.

The tech is moving fast, but its not that fast.

« Reply #1165 on: December 09, 2024, 07:50 »
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Good points, but there's a big problem with the data feeding AIit's drying up, and worse, it's getting polluted with AI-generated content. Real, high-quality data takes decades to build, and were running out of fresh, untouched sources.

Sure, AI is useful, but the idea of generating real-time AI images or videos in 3-5 years feels like an overestimation. There isnt even an AI yet that can produce high-quality 3D models with proper topology, let alone handle physics-based simulations like volcano eruptions accurately. Those still rely on real CPU-heavy mathematics, not AI magic.

The tech is moving fast, but its not that fast.

Yes, it's true that AI image models have likely exhausted the market-leading stock agencies for model training.

However, there are still terabytes of unused image material available. Just think of photo communities like Flickr. Then there are social networks like Facebook, Instagram, etc.

There are libraries with historical photos.
You can also extract images from videos.

And there are very powerful LLMs (Large Language Models) for generating image descriptions, which are necessary for training image models.

Regarding performance, I can only refer to the Flux Fast model.
Even now, the model can generate images almost in real-time, I think 0.1 to 0.2 seconds with 4 steps.

Yes, Flux Developer or Flux Ultra takes a bit longer (on high-performance servers, around 6 to 10 seconds with 28 steps and 2K resolution).

But you can see where the development is headed. With new chip technology for AI models, you could also generate Flux Ultra with 4K resolution in under 1 second. And that's almost realtime.

« Reply #1166 on: December 09, 2024, 08:06 »
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Good points, but there's a big problem with the data feeding AIit's drying up, and worse, it's getting polluted with AI-generated content. Real, high-quality data takes decades to build, and were running out of fresh, untouched sources.

Sure, AI is useful, but the idea of generating real-time AI images or videos in 3-5 years feels like an overestimation. There isnt even an AI yet that can produce high-quality 3D models with proper topology, let alone handle physics-based simulations like volcano eruptions accurately. Those still rely on real CPU-heavy mathematics, not AI magic.

The tech is moving fast, but its not that fast.

Yes, it's true that AI image models have likely exhausted the market-leading stock agencies for model training.

However, there are still terabytes of unused image material available. Just think of photo communities like Flickr. Then there are social networks like Facebook, Instagram, etc.

There are libraries with historical photos.
You can also extract images from videos.

And there are very powerful LLMs (Large Language Models) for generating image descriptions, which are necessary for training image models.

Regarding performance, I can only refer to the Flux Fast model.
Even now, the model can generate images almost in real-time, I think 0.1 to 0.2 seconds with 4 steps.

Yes, Flux Developer or Flux Ultra takes a bit longer (on high-performance servers, around 6 to 10 seconds with 28 steps and 2K resolution).

But you can see where the development is headed. With new chip technology for AI models, you could also generate Flux Ultra with 4K resolution in under 1 second. And that's almost realtime.



This still feels like a bubble or a vicious circle to me because:

a) While its true that there are still some untapped data sources, most of the high-quality, profitable data has already been mined. What remains is often lower quality, AI-contaminated, or lacks the depth needed for true advancements.

b) Even with more capable models now than a year ago, we still see fundamental issues like six-fingered hands or, in videos, unnatural zoom effects and uncontrollable movement. These flaws highlight that AI, while useful, has serious limitations.

I believe the AI craze will start to fade as people realize it cant fully replace real mathematics or deterministic systems. GPUs, by design, are non-deterministic, which is why AI will probably never truly understand physics or consistently generate anatomically accurate results like proper hands. Its incredibly useful in many areas, but were far from it living up to the current hype.

« Reply #1167 on: December 09, 2024, 08:28 »
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Good points, but there's a big problem with the data feeding AIit's drying up, and worse, it's getting polluted with AI-generated content. Real, high-quality data takes decades to build, and were running out of fresh, untouched sources.

Sure, AI is useful, but the idea of generating real-time AI images or videos in 3-5 years feels like an overestimation. There isnt even an AI yet that can produce high-quality 3D models with proper topology, let alone handle physics-based simulations like volcano eruptions accurately. Those still rely on real CPU-heavy mathematics, not AI magic.

The tech is moving fast, but its not that fast.

Yes, it's true that AI image models have likely exhausted the market-leading stock agencies for model training.

However, there are still terabytes of unused image material available. Just think of photo communities like Flickr. Then there are social networks like Facebook, Instagram, etc.

There are libraries with historical photos.
You can also extract images from videos.

And there are very powerful LLMs (Large Language Models) for generating image descriptions, which are necessary for training image models.

Regarding performance, I can only refer to the Flux Fast model.
Even now, the model can generate images almost in real-time, I think 0.1 to 0.2 seconds with 4 steps.

Yes, Flux Developer or Flux Ultra takes a bit longer (on high-performance servers, around 6 to 10 seconds with 28 steps and 2K resolution).

But you can see where the development is headed. With new chip technology for AI models, you could also generate Flux Ultra with 4K resolution in under 1 second. And that's almost realtime.



This still feels like a bubble or a vicious circle to me because:

a) While its true that there are still some untapped data sources, most of the high-quality, profitable data has already been mined. What remains is often lower quality, AI-contaminated, or lacks the depth needed for true advancements.

b) Even with more capable models now than a year ago, we still see fundamental issues like six-fingered hands or, in videos, unnatural zoom effects and uncontrollable movement. These flaws highlight that AI, while useful, has serious limitations.

I believe the AI craze will start to fade as people realize it cant fully replace real mathematics or deterministic systems. GPUs, by design, are non-deterministic, which is why AI will probably never truly understand physics or consistently generate anatomically accurate results like proper hands. Its incredibly useful in many areas, but were far from it living up to the current hype.

I'm now using LLMs in my professional context to increase productivity.

It's not just about solving complex physical and mathematical problems, but also about efficiently completing everyday tasks, such as using AI as a copilot for code debugging and documentation, automating data quality checks, answering customer inquiries, and so on.

The hype is far from over.
The problem is rather that most people are not prepared for this and private individuals do not recognize the many areas of application and potential.

With the new coming chip technology, it is possible to evaluate almost any complex financial instrument in real-time on financial markets. For example, complex Fourier series can be analytically approximated in less than a second.

Autonomous driving will be a major topic in the future.

Regarding the generated errors, such as 6 fingers, I can refer to the Flux Model again.
At least 8 out of 10 generated images with complex prompts have the correct number of fingers and hand position.

Black Forest Labs will soon release a video model as well.

« Reply #1168 on: December 09, 2024, 09:03 »
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"Regarding the generated errors, such as 6 fingers, I can refer to the Flux Model again.
At least 8 out of 10 generated images with complex prompts have the correct number of fingers and hand position."

I don't know where these stats come from, whether it is midjourney or flux I always have a huge amount of horrible hands.

It is not just number of fingers but very often the size of the hand is wrong, usually much too large for the person in the image. Also skintone is often wrong, there are half rings buried into flesh, hands that melt into each other or morph into clothing. Also eyes and teeth if you look closely keep having horrible problems.

I have so many people series that look nice in a small size but once you upsize and look closely they are all horror monsters.

So I have found the improvements over the last 2 years to be mostly incremental.

For stock I see a very large market for high quality content from cameras. I think our income from licensing real world images will keep going up.

The other major problem is that ai is a creative fantasy tool. It is not an accurate depiction of the real world.

Just try creating underwater coral reefs and fish...you will probably discover 20 new species...same for food, it is often wrong, but with food it is very easy to spot. With underwater fish it might not be so easy.

Forget about an accurate depiction of technology, science, medical...as soon as you need things to be correct with details, ai is basically useless.

Ai is very interesting but I think people greatly overestimate the technology. Maybe 30 years from now.

We are all still typing on keyboards instead of using holographic magic interfaces where we just use our hands.

Even speech to text never really took off.

Where is my home robot who cleans and cooks for me???

People talk about ai like it is some magic tool, but I still need to find any intelligence.



« Reply #1169 on: December 09, 2024, 10:35 »
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The hype around AI tools far outstrips useful, reliable business cases at this point. C-suite is talking stuff up for investors to keep their stock price up, and even "experts" get caught out when relying on ChatGPT & similar (not forgetting the lawyer who got fined for misleading the court with invented case citations)

https://stanforddaily.com/2024/12/04/hancock-admitted-to-ai-use/

I review the recent genAI acceptances into Adobe Stock's collection and there is so much mangled, unreal junk. Beyond a personal aesthetic loathing for the plastic-fantastic people - even if they have all their fingers and in the right place - the attempts to represent objects, places, animals, people, tools, equipment, etc. are still deeply substandard. Posting examples seems a waste of time as Adobe clearly doesn't care.

I think we should have a similar terminology for the image creations gone awry:

https://undark.org/2023/04/06/chatgpt-isnt-hallucinating-its-bullshitting/

If you can't rely on AI tools, they don't save time when you have to edit/proofread everything to be sure you don't trash your career.  Unclear yet if Small Language Models will improve things?

https://www.itpro.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/small-language-models-set-for-take-off-next-year

No clue where this will all end up, but looking with a clear eye at the current realities versus getting rapturous over potential seems the only safe/sane approach.

« Reply #1170 on: December 09, 2024, 11:24 »
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Again moving down, although this week should be the best of the year.

I am trying to analyse what happened and I think a major factor is that I do not have great holiday/winter content going live every day. I have been doing a lot of spring and summer content to somehow manouver the very long inspection times.

So now I a trying to a lot of short term illustrations, because they can go live in a week, but I am not sure it wil help.

For next year I will try to keep a lot of content ready so that I hopefully have a steady stream of good files going live every day.

I still have holiday cards in the queue but they will arrive next year :(

It also means you cannot create content shortterm for the new pantone color of 2025 etc...

There is a larger license and a little video in there, so the total value is ok.

« Reply #1171 on: December 09, 2024, 14:41 »
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What the heck are you talking about guys?
I see you didn't even try to use AI for daily business tasks like coding review / coding description, writing concepts, summerize und structurize pdf documents, translating texts, review of contracts, evaluation of customer feedback, etc.

When you have problems and chat with the Amazon support, do you really think there are real people even typing, when you want get a refund?

Just use google for AI use cases or better ask an AI chatbot.

The hallucinations problem will be solved with agents (ChatGPT 5) and a multiple plausibilty check of the generated answers.

By the way this week looks ok sofar:
38 Downloads, 26,39 $.

« Reply #1172 on: December 09, 2024, 15:15 »
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Look at these beautiful hand gems from today, midjourney and flux. 90% are unusable and I only have to crop or cut away anything where there is a hand.

Maybe ai works great in other areas, but for generating stock images it is really far from perfect.

Thankfully, so people will keep buying stock images.


« Reply #1173 on: December 09, 2024, 16:06 »
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Original Flux generation:
https://i.ibb.co/yWZ3w1r/129af1b37acd4242add16c925bc66126.jpg

AI 2x Upscale:
https://i.ibb.co/r7YFVPH/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967.jpg

But she has only 4 fingers and is missing a thumb ... If you look at original stock photos, you'll see that the human fingers are often even more disgusting in reality.

If I add grain in Photoshop 80% of you would assume it's a real photo.
https://i.ibb.co/mBmJr5p/Universal-Upscaler-dc3663a9-364e-434a-978f-356af59f4967-grain.jpg

So do you really think that just a normal buyer does even care if it's AI or a real photo if he's gonna use it just for a blog or Website?
« Last Edit: December 09, 2024, 16:10 by Andrej.S. »

« Reply #1174 on: December 09, 2024, 16:22 »
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Just for you guys:

Original Flux generation:
https://i.ibb.co/D49QnW8/ff78f3532b0424a7bbea784cfd6d5938.jpg

AI 2x Upscale:
https://i.ibb.co/x85kq0x/Universal-Upscaler-cccdf741-a116-4241-9adc-6ad9b7081899.jpg

10 fingers at first generated image.

If I add grain in Photoshop 95% of you would assume it's a real photo.
https://i.ibb.co/ZGnB68v/Universal-Upscaler-cccdf741-a116-4241-9adc-6ad9b7081899-grain.jpg

\\ 43 downloads \\ 28,84 $ \\ position 3.840 sofar today.
« Last Edit: December 09, 2024, 16:27 by Andrej.S. »


 

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