Never heard of them but my whole portfolio is up there. I need to check this out more. Hope it's not a problem.

Yeah my fotolia port is there too.

Did anyone click through to order a print? You can see how your work will look on a wall in different settings and configurations. Kind of fun to play with 

I wasn't aware we were getting print sales through fotolia. Could this possibly be one of those mirror sites they were talking about offering a while ago?

Another thing, It says 100,000 pictures sold on the website. Has anyone received any print royalties?

Image #'s are the same on fotolia.

It looks like image lic. is included in the print price. Is it possible we are only getting paid for the standard image lic.?? I really hope that is not the case or I could see another "meltdown" coming. 

I wasn't aware we were getting print sales through fotolia. Could this possibly be one of those mirror sites they were talking about offering a while ago?

Another thing, It says 100,000 pictures sold on the website. Has anyone received any print royalties?

Image #'s are the same on fotolia.

It looks like image lic. is included in the print price. Is it possible we are only getting paid for the standard image lic.?? I really hope that is not the case or I could see another "meltdown" coming. 

The way i see it is they only purchase the standard XL size. IMO they need the EL license for this... !!!
It's like some other sites have print/canvas on demand.... and i'm pretty sure an EL license needs to be purchased.

Patrick H.

double post

It looks to me like it is set up so that  the buyer purchases the licence which then gives him the rights to print an image for his own use.  So the company are actually selling the printing not the image in itself.
Don't know if this is legal or if they have found a loophole.

I think you might be right, and if its a subscription as "clearviewstock" mentioned thats even more depressing. I could see these prints selling quite a bit with the prices being so cheap.  wow!!  ouch!! 32cents on a $150.00 print??

I looks like they figured out a way to cut the artist almost totally out of the $$ picture. Feeling a little bent over at this point!!!

Quote from: cdwheatley on August 27, 2008, 10:42

I looks like they figured out a way to cut the artist almost totally out of the $$ picture. Feeling a little bent over at this point!!!

Could be interesting to check their workflow and actually order a print... see if we need to buy the picture or not...hm.. if it weren't for the distance..................

Patrick H.

Right, we need someone in Germany to order one and see what happens...Somehow I get the feeling its going to register 32 cents at fotolia..I hope its not the case. Smells really fishy!! obviously, this company didn't buy an extended license for any of those 4 million images. We should be getting a percentage of the sales like on Istock.

just had a look at the license terms at fotolia :
http://us.fotolia.com/Info/RoyaltyFreePhotos

As I read it I can buy an image and use it as home decoration.
However, the site is purchasing the image, printing it and reselling it... that constitutes a poster sale, which is not allowed under standard license.

Patrick H.

OMG!  

If this is legal, then absolutely anyone could start a business selling prints (on canvas, etc) by having customer actually buy the standard license as step one.

And, if that is the case, it would be useful to know if the stock photography site is in actual partnership with the print sellers, or if it is similarly being loop-holed out of EL license price.

For, I may not be able to stop print sites if this is a (horribly unethical) legal loophole, but  I certainly can stop dealing with any stock photography site X if it chooses to be in "cahoots" with the print site - if pressure from stock contributors is not viable, successful.   - ann

Quote from: cdwheatley on August 27, 2008, 10:19

Quote from: fotografer on August 27, 2008, 03:43

It looks to me like it is set up so that  the buyer purchases the licence which then gives him the rights to print an image for his own use.  So the company are actually selling the printing not the image in itself.
Don't know if this is legal or if they have found a loophole.

I think you might be right, and if its a subscription as "clearviewstock" mentioned thats even more depressing. I could see these prints selling quite a bit with the prices being so cheap.  wow!!  ouch!! 32cents on a $150.00 print??

If the site redirects you to fotolia for the picture, offering it.. isn't it so they are actually buying the picture... because it also states :
including ...$ for picture.
The customer only makes a choice.

Patrick H.

Obviously this isn't my fight any more, but I'd strongly suggest making loud noises to FT about this as I'm certain they have approved this usage given the API the site needs to serve up FT's content.

In the past something like this came up with some content from BigStock, but that was handled differently and was fair to contributors. The site purchased web licenses for the images they wanted to offer on canvas (it was a selection, not the whole collection like this case). If they sold one they then got to buy the appropriate EL - i.e. they didn't have to speculate on sales and buy the EL up front.

Avoiding the EL altogether is just wrong - there's profit in those 150 euro sales, not just print costs, but the only reason anyone's buying is because of the contributor's image.

Don't allow FT to get away with this end run around ELs (especially if the site has a subscription).

found mine too,
this is what they say about licence...

"All images on BilderKing are privided by an stock image agency (Fotolia) and are property of their authors. For the one time print on customer order it�s required to gain an image license. For best printing results the license with highest resolution is automatically selected. The license is included in each sale price and the shown license fee is payed to the image agency for each sale. This is also true for the topseller selection.
Commercial resale of the printed pictures is not allowed. If you want the printed pictures for commercial resale, please contact the image agency for an appropriate license first."