Author Topic: Guess I'll reupload to Fotolia (Read 28854 times)

DallasP · « **on:** October 08, 2014, 14:32 »

Been reading around the forums and it seems like they've been doing fairly well and are still above dreamstime. Since the boycott, microstock has been so boring ... at least those little sub sales kept me checking

Seems like every site has their own dumb little subscription model going ... might as well just accept the fact that we're just going to live on nickels and dimes.

Mark Windom Photography · « **Reply #1 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:04 »

It's your choice to go ahead and 'accept the fact that we're just going to live on nickels and dimes'....I refuse to.

EmberMike · « **Reply #2 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:19 »

Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Mantis · « **Reply #3 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:23 »

Quote from: Mark Windom Photography on October 08, 2014, 16:04

It's your choice to go ahead and 'accept the fact that we're just going to live on nickels and dimes'....I refuse to.

Same here. I am so glad to be disassociated with such a derelict company.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #4 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:23 »

Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19

Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

Mantis · « **Reply #5 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:31 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23

Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

DallasP · « **Reply #6 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:32 »

Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19

Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Doesn't look like I have a choice for a year (it doesn't give an option just says 365 days) but, I got rejected again from SS ... was hoping to start making microstock pay a bit this year. Going to be a desperate winter at this rate

DallasP · « **Reply #7 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:33 »

Quote from: Mantis on October 08, 2014, 16:31

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23
Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

Guessing old contributors still have a choice, they might just be trapping the new guys.

dirkr · « **Reply #8 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:46 »

Quote from: DallasP on October 08, 2014, 16:33

Quote from: Mantis on October 08, 2014, 16:31
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23
Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

Guessing old contributors still have a choice, they might just be trapping the new guys.

You're sure you're looking at the right place?
The 365 days are for their referral program (what they call affiliation), i.e. you get payment for referred buyers for a year after you referred them.

To opt out of DPC look under "contributor parameters" in your profile, there you should find the possibility to opt out.

DallasP · « **Reply #9 on:** October 08, 2014, 16:57 »

Quote from: dirkr on October 08, 2014, 16:46

Quote from: DallasP on October 08, 2014, 16:33
Quote from: Mantis on October 08, 2014, 16:31
Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on October 08, 2014, 16:23
Quote from: EmberMike on October 08, 2014, 16:19
Are you going to opt in to DPC?

Is there any choice?

At the time we discovered their unfair practice by automatically including our ports in DPC they added an opt out. I don't know if that's still in place today, though. The last I read here recently was that they would somehow sweeten your sales on FT if you opted in to DPC.

Guessing old contributors still have a choice, they might just be trapping the new guys.

You're sure you're looking at the right place?
The 365 days are for their referral program (what they call affiliation), i.e. you get payment for referred buyers for a year after you referred them.

To opt out of DPC look under "contributor parameters" in your profile, there you should find the possibility to opt out.

Oh thanks! I was looking in the wrong spot ...

pkphotos · « **Reply #10 on:** October 08, 2014, 21:51 »

There are only two kinds of people opted into DFC

1/ Contributors who don't know about it, who would opt out if they did know

2/ Complete muppets

disorderly · « **Reply #11 on:** October 08, 2014, 21:55 »

Quote from: pkphotos on October 08, 2014, 21:51

There are only two kinds of people opted into DFC

1/ Contributors who don't know about it, who would opt out if they did know

2/ Complete muppets

That is an insult to Muppets.

DallasP · « **Reply #12 on:** October 09, 2014, 01:14 »

Quote from: disorderly on October 08, 2014, 21:55

Quote from: pkphotos on October 08, 2014, 21:51
There are only two kinds of people opted into DFC

1/ Contributors who don't know about it, who would opt out if they did know

2/ Complete muppets

That is an insult to Muppets.

lol! My original argument that they were selling my .eps for that insanely low price. Realistically I'm starting to hate microstock but, it's kind of become a habit. Like, I wake up and look at what's sold, what has been accepted, other peoples new files, popular and stuff ... and then I try to figure out if I should create something. At this point the blog makes more with much less effort so ... I'm not even sure how bad DPC is with the state of things. That's a very pessimistic outlook I know but, I really think microstock is ... dead ... guess for us little guys anyway.

sharpshot · « **Reply #13 on:** October 09, 2014, 03:03 »

I am being a muppet, just want to see if they sell much through DPC. I will opt out if it looks like my earnings are going to take a hit. They sell so little now compared to SS, I don't think it makes much difference. Buyers want more than just low prices and I don't see them leaving SS for FT. Just looked and this is the message when you go to opt out.

Quote

Are you sure you want to remove your files from DPC?

- If you remove your files from DPC you will not earn any revenues from this new and fast-growing subscription website.

- If you remove your files from DPC you won't benefit from increased subscription payouts from Fotolia subs to 25% of face value. In some cases these can be up to five times the current payout.

- If you remove your files from Dollar Photo Club you will not earn any revenues from the sale of Extended Licenses on DPC with 30 Credit payouts.

- If you decide to sell your files on DPC at a later date, it can take up to two weeks to add them.

Noedelhap · « **Reply #14 on:** October 11, 2014, 14:12 »

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

Mantis · « **Reply #15 on:** October 11, 2014, 14:42 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?I would love to say it is, but right now probably not so much. However, it has the huge potential to destroy micro stock and make it molecule stock so supporting it in my opinion means that you support the ending micro stock as we know it today, not 5-7 years ago but today. We've taken significant hits over the years and DPC is just another MAJOR CONDUIT to drive price wars. If they attract and steal enough market share (price sensitive buyers) micro stock will be over and pushed down to whatever you want to call the next level down. Remember, DPC does NBOT GIVE A SH*T about what you and me make.
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwhile? Again, only FOTOLIA knows. But if they do, and they end up controlling the lion's share of the industry they will pull more crap than they have ion the past to further erode your commissions. Trusting them is a foolish mindset to have. I am not saying you, just trusting them in general if you know what we know is stupid, ignorant and foolish.
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom? YES!

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.It's not going to happen over night. It takes time. If they do make significant market penetration the impact will be slow but steady. We'll one day have a thread about where sales have gone and we can refer back to this thread. FOTOLIA and their DPC scheme is such a money grab, destructive product for artists that supporting them only accelerates the potential losses we'll feel later.

Of course all of this is just my opinion, but being in the business of business process design it's pretty straight forward.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

robhainer · « **Reply #16 on:** October 11, 2014, 14:52 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

All I can tell you is my earnings on FT went back up after I opted back in to DPC. My earnings on other sites weren't affected. Being on DPC is a net positive for me.

heywoody · « **Reply #17 on:** October 11, 2014, 16:34 »

Also a muppet, volumes & prices both up at FT and getting the 30%+ € bonus - no noticeable effects elsewhere.

Curious what sites the minus givers submit to because, DT / SS excepted, all the others have bent us over...

rene · « **Reply #18 on:** October 11, 2014, 22:51 »

Quote from: robhainer on October 11, 2014, 14:52

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12
Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

All I can tell you is my earnings on FT went back up after I opted back in to DPC. My earnings on other sites weren't affected. Being on DPC is a net positive for me.

Probably because many contributors, me included, refuse this deal. If everybody follow your example and opt-in your earnings risk to take a hit.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #19 on:** October 12, 2014, 03:58 »

Quote from: rene on October 11, 2014, 22:51

Probably because many contributors, me included, refuse this deal. If everybody follow your example and opt-in your earnings risk to take a hit.

It's impossible to discuss this without it getting heated so I expect we're going to see some deletions again soon. Shame because it deserves to be discussed. My two cents (and this isn't directed to anyone in particular) is that yes, a lot/ any of the benefits to those opted into DPC are off the backs of those who opted out or protested and landed a better deal, coupled with the decrease in competition on the new site for the same reason.

Let's not forget that some of the people who got the better deal even had accounts with FL closed for standing up for our rights. Does anyone think these people were in the wrong for being angry when FL initially tried to sneak this past us then pretended this was not a company owned by them but an affiliate?

I guess this doesn't make those opted in "muppets" just ....ahem..... shrewd. Shame the negative effects on RPD and download numbers across the industry will be felt by everyone, not just those opted in.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #20 on:** October 12, 2014, 05:40 »

Quote from: Noedelhap on October 11, 2014, 14:12

Well, all negativity and bias aside, I'd like to know some hard facts:

1) Does DPC butcher sales on other sites?
2) Is DPC garnering enough sales to make it worthwile?
3) Will DPC actually destroy the market as we know it with a race to the bottom?

I'm not opted in, but as for question 1: I'm not seeing any decline in sales on other sites since the existence of DPC, and even if there would be a decline, it's hard to tell if it's because of
DPC.
Therefore, I think the answer to question 3 is 'no'.

That leaves question 2 unanswered. Perhaps opted-in contributors could shine some light on this?

You can't know whether the answer to #3 is no, because as you pointed out yourself, it's hard to tell. But there has been a lot of complaining over the past few months about declining sales, especially at SS and iS. If files are selling at DPC, they are NOT selling elsewhere. So DPC has to have some negative effect on sales at other sites...we just can't tell how much of an effect is due to that and not to an influx of new content or other factors.

heywoody · « **Reply #21 on:** October 12, 2014, 06:22 »

To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors. SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123. There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #22 on:** October 12, 2014, 07:53 »

Quote from: heywoody on October 12, 2014, 06:22

To be perfectly honest, I get a better return for my sales at FT / DPC than I do at IS where we are getting raped on both pricing and commission but I suggest the decline there is more to do with the ineptness of the folks in control than any external factors. SS are holding up, DT is coming back nicely after a few bad months mostly due to good RPD and the only place I see a downturn is 123. There is a sense of running faster to stay in the same place generally that can be totally explained by the vast increase in supply over the last while.

Well, yes, you're getting a better return at FT/DPC...because your fellow artists boycotted, which pressured them into offering higher commissions to hold onto the content. Just sayin'.

robhainer · « **Reply #23 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:01 »

Funny thing is that I get more credit sales on FT now than I did before DPC. Boycott has little to do with that.

Shelma1 · « **Reply #24 on:** October 12, 2014, 08:17 »

Really? You don't think 25% less competition from your fellow photographers would affect your downloads? (Am I remembering correctly that that's how many files were removed during the boycott?)

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