Author Topic: Fotolia D-Day (Deactivation Day) - May,1 (Read 343650 times)

pixsol · « **Reply #1350 on:** May 28, 2014, 00:54 »

Quote from: Rinderart on May 27, 2014, 23:33

Just Curious...are we still resolute about this?? I know lots of folks over the years. The majority I talk to is staying in. I do respect there decision and then I shut up. I send them every Link. What more can I do? any Ideas?

Yes Laurin. I see quite a few resolute contributors who have been spreading the word and reporting successful OPT OUTs. I saw a few on the SS forum also. I think we will see more OPT OUTs in small and mid-level contributors. We may not see much in high-volume contributors as I think many of them may be exclusive to FT.

Hearing the feedback from many posters here on this thread that DPC is being heard for the first time by many only from a fellow contributor makes me think that this will continue on for some more time.

Meanwhile, I saw that the image count on FT has reached 28.5M (it dropped lower than 28M in the start of May). In all likelihood a good majority of these 500K images made it to DPC. But to see that DPC image count is still showing some reduction (based on the figures in this thread a day or 2 ago), tells me that the OPT OUTs are still ON.

LesPalenik · « **Reply #1351 on:** May 28, 2014, 02:19 »

I think, that quite a few contributors do not read forums and are not even aware that their images are on DPC. As long as we keep it up, more contributors will find out about it and many will opt out.

On one hand, even 20 million images is a huge collection for a viable distribution, on the other hand, if best images are removed from there, many buyers will start looking elsewhere.

Svetlana · « **Reply #1352 on:** May 28, 2014, 03:14 »

The latest changes in the number of images in the DPC collection:

Date and time Images on DPC Change
28-05-2014 12:08:57   21,690,873   -164
28-05-2014 09:08:59   21,691,037   917
28-05-2014 06:09:00   21,690,120   -415
28-05-2014 04:08:57   21,690,535   -346
28-05-2014 02:08:54   21,690,881   695
28-05-2014 01:08:58   21,690,186   2,902
27-05-2014 22:08:59   21,687,284   -1,841
27-05-2014 20:08:55   21,689,125   414
27-05-2014 19:08:59   21,688,711   3,461
27-05-2014 17:08:55   21,685,250   -8,651
27-05-2014 16:08:57   21,693,901   36
27-05-2014 15:08:54   21,693,865   548
27-05-2014 14:08:59   21,693,317   522
27-05-2014 11:09:00   21,692,795   896
27-05-2014 08:08:59   21,691,899   -17
27-05-2014 06:08:55   21,691,916   1,649
27-05-2014 05:08:57   21,690,267   24
27-05-2014 04:08:56   21,690,243   -11
27-05-2014 02:08:58   21,690,254   3,286
27-05-2014 01:08:57   21,686,968   172
27-05-2014 00:08:57   21,686,796   1,903
26-05-2014 23:08:56   21,684,893   791
26-05-2014 22:08:55   21,684,102   40
26-05-2014 21:08:54   21,684,062   417
26-05-2014 20:08:57   21,683,645   1,015
26-05-2014 17:09:00   21,682,630   800
26-05-2014 16:08:54   21,681,830   651
26-05-2014 14:08:59   21,681,179   1,785
26-05-2014 11:09:01   21,679,394   452

As of this moment, according to calculations by categories on DPC and the total number specified on FT, there are 28,515,003 images on FT and 21,690,873 on DPC. The difference amounts to 6,824,130 images.

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #1353 on:** May 28, 2014, 04:04 »

Quote from: EmberMike on May 18, 2014, 11:03

Quote from: Dook on May 18, 2014, 10:36
Quote from: Svetlana on May 18, 2014, 08:53
Changes in the number of images on DPC today (Moscow time):

Date and time Images on DPC Change
18-05-2014 17:09:01    21,775,858    -11,583
18-05-2014 14:09:00    21,787,441    5,016
18-05-2014 11:08:58    21,782,425    -1,795
18-05-2014 08:08:59    21,784,220    -909
18-05-2014 06:08:58    21,785,129    -1,033
18-05-2014 05:08:53    21,786,162    -558
18-05-2014 03:09:00    21,786,720    -1,297
18-05-2014 01:08:56    21,788,017    1,679
18-05-2014 00:09:00    21,786,338    -289

It good to see DPC going down again. Someone here said that we lost the battle cause DPC is going up. Well, that changed now.

It was under 21.7 million a few days ago. Just because today it's down, on a longer timeline, it is in fact, up.

Doesn't matter if it goes down just for a day. Let's see how the next few days go.

10 days have passed and it is back below 21.7 million.

Ron · « **Reply #1354 on:** May 28, 2014, 13:02 »

Reply from Cabinet of Vice President Neelie Kroes

Quote

Dear Mr xxxxxx,
On behalf of Vice-President Kroes I would like to thank you for your e-mail. I would like to inform you that your e-mail has been forwarded to Commissioner Barnier since the question raised in your e-mail falls under his portfolio. His Cabinet will reply to you directly.

Kind regards,
xxxxxx
Cabinet of Vice President Neelie Kroes

http://ec.europa.eu/commission_2010-2014/barnier/index_en.htm

U11 · « **Reply #1355 on:** May 28, 2014, 14:25 »

Sorry if this old 2011 email from fotolia was posted in the topic already

Quote

Over the last few months, we've seen new competitors offering pricing
and commission rates that are lower than our white ranking levels.
This is a threat to our business, for the market as whole, and for
you, our contributors. This is an issue that must be addressed for us
to remain competitive.

We have been obliged to modify our pricing and payment policies to
allow Fotolia to adjust prices/commissions on a case by case basis.
When a contributor sells on sites with significantly lower pricing and
commissions, we will reset their rank to white to allow for
competition.

Together, we'll work towards building a stronger stock photography
market, and continue to enhance Fotolia's reputation and
competitiveness as a leading microstock agency.

Ron · « **Reply #1356 on:** May 29, 2014, 01:11 »

Quote

From: Chad Bridwell [mailto: [email protected] ]
Sent: 29 May 2014 00:33
To: xxxxx@ semmick.com
Subject: Fotolia account closed

Dear Mr. Ron Bxxxxxx,

In accordance with Fotolia's terms and conditions we have closed your account. Please forward the Paypal or Moneybooker address where we shall send the remaining funds in your account.

Sincerely,

Chad Bridwell
Director of Operations
Fotolia.com

luissantos84 · « **Reply #1357 on:** May 29, 2014, 01:22 »

unbelievable... does this mean we cannot email anybody regarding FT decisions? back to 1500!

stealthmode · « **Reply #1358 on:** May 29, 2014, 03:16 »

Quote from: luissantos84 on May 29, 2014, 01:22

unbelievable... does this mean we cannot email anybody regarding FT decisions? back to 1500!

Caught in the crossfire of agencies and fellow contributors - if you speak the truth against agencies or you don't undersign the compulsory boycott, respectively.

This is the reason why some of us are anonymous here.
I prefer to be anonymous and free, although it's not an easy decision to renounce to my identity.
However I promise I will never ever use my anonymity for personal attacks or as an excuse to say words that don't belong in a public forum.

roede-orm · « **Reply #1359 on:** May 29, 2014, 04:32 »

What I can't understand: Fotolia is a strong brand name, at least in Europe and
especially in the German-speaking countries. Why this strong brand is devalued to such activities like founding the dpc?

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #1360 on:** May 29, 2014, 06:08 »

Quote from: roede-orm on May 29, 2014, 04:32

What I can't understand: Fotolia is a strong brand name, at least in Europe and
especially in the German-speaking countries. Why this strong brand is devalued to such activities like founding the dpc?

Money. Simply.
They want (or maybe need) more.
Look at Getty, it's the market leader but is so heavily mortgaged that rating agencies have expressed doubts about its ability to repay its debts. Every business is under pressure to deliver double-digit earnings growth (and to fund that, we are expected to be happy with ever-shrinking returns). DPC is an attempt to corner the market, boosting profits by slashing prices and thereby taking customers en-masse from the bigger agencies.

cobalt · « **Reply #1361 on:** May 29, 2014, 06:54 »

Quote from: roede-orm on May 29, 2014, 04:32

What I can't understand: Fotolia is a strong brand name, at least in Europe and
especially in the German-speaking countries. Why this strong brand is devalued to such activities like founding the dpc?

This is the part I really don´t understand. Fotolia is such a huge agency and strong brand in Europe and especially here in Germany. Why would you risk the reputation of Fotolia with DPC? The internet has no borders and the contributors are often buyers (designers,ad agency people..)

I just read what happened to Ron and Anyka. I really don´t understand what they want to do. Is DPC really so much more important than Fotolia???

This is all really scary. I just don´t understand the logic at all. Just like I didn´t understand how istock handled the Getty Google deal.

Looks like istock and Fotolia are doing all they can to increase the trust factor of Shutterstock. Can´t they see that a major driving force of SS success is their excellent understanding of how internet communities work?

No dramas - better business - more money..

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #1362 on:** May 29, 2014, 07:12 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 29, 2014, 06:54

Is DPC really so much more important than Fotolia???

It may well be. The business model seems to indicate that they are willing to sacrifice Fotolia's sales by transferring them to DPC at a loss. That only makes sense if they are calculating on taking a huge number of customers off other agencies.

Shutterstock is much larger than Fotolia but it still has only a surprisingly small share of the overall market - a few percent, I think, I can't remember exactly what they reported - so Fotolia might have only 1% or 2% of the overall market. If DPC could trawl in 10% of the market it might give a huge boost to its earnings, making the loss of Fotolia insignificant.

That's why it is so important to try to stop them. I've long since left Fotolia but they could well take away my earnings from Shutterstock and iSTock if this works.

Anyone getting booted out of Fotolia for fighting this can console themselves with the thought that, with luck, the loss from that will be less than they would have suffered if they had just gone along with DPC and allowed it to turn iStock and SS sales into DPC sales.

Mantis · « **Reply #1363 on:** May 29, 2014, 07:15 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 29, 2014, 07:12

Quote from: cobalt on May 29, 2014, 06:54
Is DPC really so much more important than Fotolia???

It may well be. The business model seems to indicate that they are willing to sacrifice Fotolia's sales by transferring them to DPC at a loss. That only makes sense if they are calculating on taking a huge number of customers off other agencies.

Shutterstock is much larger than Fotolia but it still has only a surprisingly small share of the overall market - a few percent, I think, I can't remember exactly what they reported - so Fotolia might have only 1% or 2% of the overall market. If DPC could trawl in 10% of the market it might give a huge boost to its earnings, making the loss of Fotolia insignificant.

That's why it is so important to try to stop them. I've long since left Fotolia but they could well take away my earnings from Shutterstock and iSTock if this works.

Anyone getting booted out of Fotolia for fighting this can console themselves with the thought that, with luck, the loss from that will be less than they would have suffered if they had just gone along with DPC and allowed it to turn iStock and SS sales into DPC sales.

Has this been documented?

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #1364 on:** May 29, 2014, 07:19 »

Quote from: Mantis on May 29, 2014, 07:15

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 29, 2014, 07:12
Quote from: cobalt on May 29, 2014, 06:54
Is DPC really so much more important than Fotolia???

It may well be. The business model seems to indicate that they are willing to sacrifice Fotolia's sales by transferring them to DPC at a loss. That only makes sense if they are calculating on taking a huge number of customers off other agencies.

Shutterstock is much larger than Fotolia but it still has only a surprisingly small share of the overall market - a few percent, I think, I can't remember exactly what they reported - so Fotolia might have only 1% or 2% of the overall market. If DPC could trawl in 10% of the market it might give a huge boost to its earnings, making the loss of Fotolia insignificant.

That's why it is so important to try to stop them. I've long since left Fotolia but they could well take away my earnings from Shutterstock and iSTock if this works.

Anyone getting booted out of Fotolia for fighting this can console themselves with the thought that, with luck, the loss from that will be less than they would have suffered if they had just gone along with DPC and allowed it to turn iStock and SS sales into DPC sales.

Has this been documented?

Well, they haven't stated the reason, but Ron and Anyka have suddenly found themselves with their marching orders
http://www.microstockgroup.com/fotolia-com/fotolia-still-at-it-they-closed-my-account/msg381858/

gbalex · « **Reply #1365 on:** May 29, 2014, 07:24 »

Quote from: cobalt on May 29, 2014, 06:54

Quote from: roede-orm on May 29, 2014, 04:32
What I can't understand: Fotolia is a strong brand name, at least in Europe and
especially in the German-speaking countries. Why this strong brand is devalued to such activities like founding the dpc?

This is the part I really don´t understand. Fotolia is such a huge agency and strong brand in Europe and especially here in Germany. Why would you risk the reputation of Fotolia with DPC? The internet has no borders and the contributors are often buyers (designers,ad agency people..)

I just read what happened to Ron and Anyka. I really don´t understand what they want to do. Is DPC really so much more important than Fotolia???

This is all really scary. I just don´t understand the logic at all. Just like I didn´t understand how istock handled the Getty Google deal.

Looks like istock and Fotolia are doing all they can to increase the trust factor of Shutterstock. Can´t they see that a major driving force of SS success is their excellent understanding of how internet communities work?

No dramas - better business - more money..

To understand this you need to look to who is navigating the ship. These moves are driven by pure greed and egocentrism.

This does not increase my trust in shutterstock, in fact it makes me more nervous for our future. I think in the end we will see them make similar moves, after all they have been undercutting the competition for 9 years now as an admitted business strategy to garner market share. Not raising sub prices for 9 years is base on pure greed and you do not see this happen in any other business model.

They are in good part responsible for the desperation we now see at other agencies who have lost market share as a result. These agencies will take profits at our expense as long as we willingly allow them to do so.

Ron · « **Reply #1366 on:** May 29, 2014, 07:28 »

Lets keep this about Fotolia and the DPC

Mantis · « **Reply #1367 on:** May 29, 2014, 07:44 »

Quote from: Ron on May 29, 2014, 07:28

Lets keep this about Fotolia and the DPC

Just saw the thread about closing your account, Ron. Sorry. As I posted in that thread, I am wondering if they actually got a call?

Shelma1 · « **Reply #1368 on:** May 29, 2014, 08:22 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 29, 2014, 07:12

Quote from: cobalt on May 29, 2014, 06:54
Is DPC really so much more important than Fotolia???

It may well be. The business model seems to indicate that they are willing to sacrifice Fotolia's sales by transferring them to DPC at a loss. That only makes sense if they are calculating on taking a huge number of customers off other agencies.

Shutterstock is much larger than Fotolia but it still has only a surprisingly small share of the overall market - a few percent, I think, I can't remember exactly what they reported - so Fotolia might have only 1% or 2% of the overall market. If DPC could trawl in 10% of the market it might give a huge boost to its earnings, making the loss of Fotolia insignificant.

That's why it is so important to try to stop them. I've long since left Fotolia but they could well take away my earnings from Shutterstock and iSTock if this works.

Anyone getting booted out of Fotolia for fighting this can console themselves with the thought that, with luck, the loss from that will be less than they would have suffered if they had just gone along with DPC and allowed it to turn iStock and SS sales into DPC sales.

I've read that Shutterstock has 4% of the potential market, but I'm not sure what market share it has vs. its competition. That would be interesting.

gbalex · « **Reply #1369 on:** May 29, 2014, 09:22 »

Quote from: Shelma1 on May 29, 2014, 08:22

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on May 29, 2014, 07:12
Quote from: cobalt on May 29, 2014, 06:54
Is DPC really so much more important than Fotolia???

It may well be. The business model seems to indicate that they are willing to sacrifice Fotolia's sales by transferring them to DPC at a loss. That only makes sense if they are calculating on taking a huge number of customers off other agencies.

Shutterstock is much larger than Fotolia but it still has only a surprisingly small share of the overall market - a few percent, I think, I can't remember exactly what they reported - so Fotolia might have only 1% or 2% of the overall market. If DPC could trawl in 10% of the market it might give a huge boost to its earnings, making the loss of Fotolia insignificant.

That's why it is so important to try to stop them. I've long since left Fotolia but they could well take away my earnings from Shutterstock and iSTock if this works.

Anyone getting booted out of Fotolia for fighting this can console themselves with the thought that, with luck, the loss from that will be less than they would have suffered if they had just gone along with DPC and allowed it to turn iStock and SS sales into DPC sales.

I've read that Shutterstock has 4% of the potential market, but I'm not sure what market share it has vs. its competition. That would be interesting.

It would be interesting to know what Shutterstocks and Getty/Istock's actual market share is VS promotional info that comes from press releases or Earnings Conference Calls.

gbalex · « **Reply #1370 on:** May 29, 2014, 09:27 »

Quote from: Ron on May 29, 2014, 07:28

Lets keep this about Fotolia and the DPC

Your comments are always on the side of shutterstock protectionism. I would expect this from a shutterstock ambassador. Notice you had no comment for cobalt who is praising shutterstock.

None of these sites exists in a vacuum. Their business moves affect the entire market and to ignore this fact is analogous to sticking your head in the sand.

Ron · « **Reply #1371 on:** May 29, 2014, 12:09 »

You see, my comment was directed at everyone, not you alone, but you chose to play victim. If I had meant only for you, I would have quoted you. Stop feeling so self important.

stocked · « **Reply #1372 on:** May 29, 2014, 14:04 »

I generally agree in your statements about SS gbalex but would prefer too to keep this thread about Fotolia/DPC!

Desintegrator · « **Reply #1373 on:** May 30, 2014, 06:17 »

Fotolia contacted me in email asking if i'm available for a call about rejoining DPC. I just replied explaining my thoughts on DPC, and that i'm totally against it. Got no call

It really seems to be that they are making an effort to get contributors back. I'm far from being among the really big contributors.
So we are making an impact on them. That's good.

Monty-m-gue · « **Reply #1374 on:** May 30, 2014, 06:29 »

Quote from: Desintegrator on May 30, 2014, 06:17

Fotolia contacted me in email asking if i'm available for a call about rejoining DPC. I just replied explaining my thoughts on DPC, and that i'm totally against it. Got no call

It really seems to be that they are making an effort to get contributors back. I'm far from being among the really big contributors.
So we are making an impact on them. That's good.

I haven't received such a message - but I know others who have. It seems that if you make your thought on DPC clear they don't call.

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