Author Topic: 9 Million+ AI generated photos - Stock Photography coming to end (Read 45024 times)

Artist · « **on:** June 13, 2023, 00:26 »

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #1 on:** June 13, 2023, 02:48 »

Quote from: Artist on June 13, 2023, 00:26

Topic: 9 Million+ AI generated photos

10 Millions+ now.

This is the end
Hold your breath and count to ten
Feel the earth move and then
Hear my heart burst again

For this is the end
I've drowned and dreamed this moment
So overdue, I owe them
Swept away, I'm stolen

Let the sky fall, when it crumbles...

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #2 on:** June 13, 2023, 03:12 »

A lot of it is very good, but a lot of it also rubbish. The fact that AS has been accepting AI content with all kinds of flaws since day one really makes me think it is a way of training their AI on the same data as the other apps without the legal implications. They just want as big a collection as quickly as possible. Contributors indemnify them by uploading and signing off that they have rights over the images. Adobestock then gets to claim they are ethical because they only use "their own" collection.

EDIT to add: I mean what lol:
https://stock.adobe.com/in/images/health-and-healthy-lifestyle-concept-man-riding-a-bicycle-with-a-bunch-of-fruit-generative-ai/599130317?

Stockmaan · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2023, 04:03 »

I don’t understand Adobe stock strategy… Real human artists goodbye or welcome?

DiscreetDuck · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2023, 04:11 »

Quote from: Stockmaan on June 13, 2023, 04:03

I don’t understand Adobe stock strategy… Real human artists goodbye or welcome?

They look away from anything that doesn't concern their financial interest, universal business rule.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2023, 04:22 »

Quote from: Stockmaan on June 13, 2023, 04:03

I don’t understand Adobe stock strategy… Real human artists goodbye or welcome?

They want to do away with having to pay artists/ photographers.

People will just pay to use the their AI, either online or integrated with their software via subscription. Their software will target the same market as Canva i.e. "designers" and "digital artists" as a distinct category will mostly disappear. Businesses/ marketing types/ advertisers/ entrepreneurs will be able to do the work via the apps directly with simple prompts and very basic skills. Much bigger market for them too.

HalfFull · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2023, 05:07 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 13, 2023, 04:22

Quote from: Stockmaan on June 13, 2023, 04:03
I don’t understand Adobe stock strategy… Real human artists goodbye or welcome?
They want to do away with having to pay artists/ photographers.

People will just pay to use the their AI, either online or integrated with their software via subscription. Their software will target the same market as Canva i.e. "designers" and "digital artists" as a distinct category will mostly disappear. Businesses/ marketing types/ advertisers/ entrepreneurs will be able to do the work via the apps directly with simple prompts and very basic skills. Much bigger market for them too.

"They want to do away with having to pay artists/ photographers."

I don't think it's that simple. If they did that, who'd pay for the majority of their software that is their main bread and butter? The designers and photographers would be out of work so wouldn't need it.

There's a lot of AI imagery that is good, a lot more that is poor but one thing they all have in common (for me anyway), I can tell they're fake. There's just something false about a lot of them. Now, will clients want to use imagery that looks fake all the time. Everything has a certain style/look. I think the novelty factor will wear off at some point and the balance between real and AI imagery will settle down.

offisapup · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2023, 05:08 »

The only sensible thing to do is not waste any more time adding metadata to "real" images and submitting them to stock sites (especially adobe) and complaining about how they aren't getting reviewed or rejected. The big players are telling you in no uncertain terms that they don't need your images and it's foolhardy to expect to make any money off photography in the future.

HalfFull · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2023, 05:14 »

Quote from: offisapup on June 13, 2023, 05:08

The only sensible thing to do is not waste any more time adding metadata to "real" images and submitting them to stock sites (especially adobe) and complaining about how they aren't getting reviewed or rejected. The big players are telling you in no uncertain terms that they don't need your images and it's foolhardy to expect to make any money off photography in the future.

Really? Ok

offisapup · « **Reply #9 on:** June 13, 2023, 06:20 »

Quote from: HalfFull on June 13, 2023, 05:07

I don't think it's that simple. If they did that, who'd pay for the majority of their software that is their main bread and butter? The designers and photographers would be out of work so wouldn't need it.

Adobe's entire AI pivot is to attract big money from enterprise subs so those corporates wouldn't have to hire many pesky little designers and artists and just get a manager to make those images easily with text prompts. Even now, they make most of their money from corporate subs anyway and losing individual designers/photographers would just be a tiny little bump on the road.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #10 on:** June 13, 2023, 06:28 »

Quote from: HalfFull on June 13, 2023, 05:07

I don't think it's that simple. If they did that, who'd pay for the majority of their software that is their main bread and butter? The designers and photographers would be out of work so wouldn't need it.

That's just it. I think they want to pivot to making software that anyone can use, not just designers and photographers.

Quote from: HalfFull on June 13, 2023, 05:07

...one thing they all have in common (for me anyway), I can tell they're fake. There's just something false about a lot of them...

Have to disagree with this one too. The best of it is very high quality and I believe indistinguishable from other content. There is a lot of garbage out there too. Some of the apps themselves are not good, but the good ones very good, and improving incredibly fast.

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #11 on:** June 13, 2023, 11:37 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 13, 2023, 06:28

Quote from: HalfFull on June 13, 2023, 05:07
I don't think it's that simple. If they did that, who'd pay for the majority of their software that is their main bread and butter? The designers and photographers would be out of work so wouldn't need it.

That's just it. I think they want to pivot to making software that anyone can use, not just designers and photographers.

Quote from: HalfFull on June 13, 2023, 05:07
...one thing they all have in common (for me anyway), I can tell they're fake. There's just something false about a lot of them...

Have to disagree with this one too. The best of it is very high quality and I believe indistinguishable from other content. There is a lot of garbage out there too. Some of the apps themselves are not good, but the good ones very good, and improving incredibly fast.

What if Adobe believes so strong in AI that they don't even care anymore about their core products?

f8 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 13, 2023, 11:57 »

They look away from anything that doesn't concern their financial interest, universal business rule.
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Exactamundo!!!

tätarätä · « **Reply #13 on:** June 13, 2023, 12:13 »

We are at the begin of AI Age

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #14 on:** June 13, 2023, 12:59 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 13, 2023, 03:12

A lot of it is very good, but a lot of it also rubbish. The fact that AS has been accepting AI content with all kinds of flaws since day one really makes me think it is a way of training their AI on the same data as the other apps without the legal implications. They just want as big a collection as quickly as possible. Contributors indemnify them by uploading and signing off that they have rights over the images. Adobestock then gets to claim they are ethical because they only use "their own" collection.

EDIT to add: I mean what lol:
https://stock.adobe.com/in/images/health-and-healthy-lifestyle-concept-man-riding-a-bicycle-with-a-bunch-of-fruit-generative-ai/599130317?

Wow that is really strange and wrong in so many ways. Should I ask, what's that white seahorse thing on the pumpkin (which isn't a fruit) neither are most of the other gourds and things, some which aren't healthy edible food. But ignoring nit picking, that's not a man! Well maybe. This is the open world of being any sex you want to be. But I mean by traditional standards, that's a female. Is that a bird on the white grapes. Do you steer a bicycle with a joystick in one hand. And one of my favorite errors in AI image, they cut her head off!

Nice find, that's really horrific. There's also a serious question about how she is "mounted" on that seat.

Ouch! I shouldn't ask about where the seat post is going?

Just_to_inform_people2 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 13, 2023, 14:50 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on June 13, 2023, 12:59

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 13, 2023, 03:12
A lot of it is very good, but a lot of it also rubbish. The fact that AS has been accepting AI content with all kinds of flaws since day one really makes me think it is a way of training their AI on the same data as the other apps without the legal implications. They just want as big a collection as quickly as possible. Contributors indemnify them by uploading and signing off that they have rights over the images. Adobestock then gets to claim they are ethical because they only use "their own" collection.

EDIT to add: I mean what lol:
https://stock.adobe.com/in/images/health-and-healthy-lifestyle-concept-man-riding-a-bicycle-with-a-bunch-of-fruit-generative-ai/599130317?

Wow that is really strange and wrong in so many ways. Should I ask, what's that white seahorse thing on the pumpkin (which isn't a fruit) neither are most of the other gourds and things, some which aren't healthy edible food. But ignoring nit picking, that's not a man! Well maybe. This is the open world of being any sex you want to be. But I mean by traditional standards, that's a female. Is that a bird on the white grapes. Do you steer a bicycle with a joystick in one hand. And one of my favorite errors in AI image, they cut her head off!

Nice find, that's really horrific. There's also a serious question about how she is "mounted" on that seat. Ouch! I shouldn't ask about where the seat post is going?

That is what people like these days. Confusing and contradictive concepts. I think it totally fits in today's nihilism.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #16 on:** June 13, 2023, 15:03 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 13, 2023, 03:12

EDIT to add: I mean what lol:
https://stock.adobe.com/in/images/health-and-healthy-lifestyle-concept-man-riding-a-bicycle-with-a-bunch-of-fruit-generative-ai/599130317?

That now generates a 404 error - perhaps the crack inspection team was embarrassed at what they had allowed into the collection now someone pointed it out?

cascoly · « **Reply #17 on:** June 13, 2023, 15:10 »

was searching for some of my ai on AS --- for ai generated with keywords "venice gondola" not only did mine not show up in first few pages (not a big concern here) but the first page & a half were filled with similars most of which had at best only tiny gondolas and none showed venice (more likely amalfi coast)

heres's the search https://tinyurl.com/3z35792b

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #18 on:** June 13, 2023, 15:35 »

It's now 10+ million. I spent a few minutes looking though Gen AI work sorted by most recent. There are a few interesting and potentially useful items. There's a fair bit that's pretty to look at but I have no clue what its use case is as a stock image. The bulk of it looked repetitive, derivative and substandard to me. Some had so many similars I can't see why they were all approved even if one or two would make sense.

We need Gen AI water splashes, or hamburgers with fries, isolated strawberries or spoons of white sugar?? Tons of plastic looking women, robot/borg heads and roses on a wood background. Thousands of fantasy landscapes marked as "game backgrounds". Kitchen sinks full to the brim with peppers and vegetables, glass of seltzer, etc. etc.

If this is "quality", it's using a very odd measuring device

And AI is as hopeless at insect limbs as it is with human ones

Big Toe · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2023, 15:39 »

Quote from: cascoly on June 13, 2023, 15:10

was searching for some of my ai on AS --- for ai generated with keywords "venice gondola" not only did mine not show up in first few pages (not a big concern here) but the first page & a half were filled with similars most of which had at best only tiny gondolas and none showed venice (more likely amalfi coast)

heres's the search https://tinyurl.com/3z35792b

The results get a lot better when you switch from "Most Recent" to "Relevance" and go to the first page. The reality still beats AI by a fair margin, though.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #20 on:** June 13, 2023, 16:16 »

Quote from: Jo Ann Snover on June 13, 2023, 15:03

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on June 13, 2023, 03:12
EDIT to add: I mean what lol:
https://stock.adobe.com/in/images/health-and-healthy-lifestyle-concept-man-riding-a-bicycle-with-a-bunch-of-fruit-generative-ai/599130317?

That now generates a 404 error - perhaps the crack inspection team was embarrassed at what they had allowed into the collection now someone pointed it out?

Funny. That was just a random pick I spotted right away. I could have picked from hundreds of examples!

Yay Images Billionaire · « **Reply #21 on:** June 13, 2023, 22:45 »

Stock photography is coming to an end has been the most consistent topic on this forum for the last 15 years. And yet, here we are.

Artist · « **Reply #22 on:** June 13, 2023, 22:50 »

Quote from: images on June 13, 2023, 22:45

Stock photography is coming to an end has been the most consistent topic on this forum for the last 15 years. And yet, here we are.

You should see facts. Such technology was never build and this AI is something which can create 100s or professional works within minutes.
And it is self improving and learning program so it will become more accurate with time.

gnirtS · « **Reply #23 on:** June 13, 2023, 23:19 »

If you look around the unofficial FB groups they're full of posters asking "How many AIs can i submit at once without account getting blocked" and "Will i get caught if i dont flag as AI".

Huge numbers from India/Pakistan but not exclusively who may or may not be coordinated but certainly their strategy is literally create as much AI as possible and just shovel it in.
Anecdotally, a LOT is being submitted as normal RF and not being tagged as such, deliberately.

cobalt · « **Reply #24 on:** June 14, 2023, 01:16 »

I think the quality that is coming in, is perfectly fine. I am also not worried about the similars and the duplicates, because all agencies have algorithms that deal with that. Only a fraction of the series is shown in the relevance search.

What worries me is the slowdown in inspections, which will get a lot worse when firefly goes live. It will be the first really easy to use app coming from a large company and stock agency. With an ethical training system. A lot of people who have not used ai before, will then start doing it.

The flood will increase 1000% or even more witzh all the youtubers screaming how easy it is to make money with ai on Adobe.

Which is why I hope they will inplement sensible upload limits, coupled to the sales success of a portfolio. Maybe even with a factor sales/portfolio size.

And look into their photo inspections, to fix what is broken.

But ai is here to stay, if Adobe has 100 million ai files, in addition to everything else, it is a competitive advantage because so far the other large agencies still don‘t have ai content.

And so far I am not seeing a slowdown in photo sales, but nothing that I photograph looks like what is being produced for ai.

eta: I am wondering if the ai collections looks like 90% repetitive midjourney not necessarily because this is what people upload, but because the style directions for the ai collection are heavily focussed on midjourney. Unlike photography or normal illustrations, maybe for gen ai they have "style guide".

Again, I am sure Adobe is doing what they do for maximal commercial gain. So if the midjourney look is what they or the customers prefer, then maybe we will have to adapt.

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