It happened a lot with snap village.  I stopped uploading to crestock as I feel if we put up with 25 cents subs commissions, other sites will stop paying us more.

I noticed that it happened to a couple of files of mine that got accepted. They decreased the size of some of my panorama images as well as normal size photos.

Crestock has always downsized images, even when they started out. That's nothing new.

They recently reduced my 12 MP images down to small - I got them approved everywhere else - go figure. They even did that once with one of my 3D renders 

But if you look at it from this side: Wouldn't you rather have your file online in a small size than not at all...?

You can't argue that their subscription is lousy because all subscriptions are lousy - go to McDonalds with a sale from Shutterstock and a sale from Crestock - you won't be able to by anything with either commission. Of course the difference is the volume of sales.

Crestock always emphasized their high quality standards. While one can argue what kind of images did make it through their review queue it has to be mentioned that there is less crap on Crestock than at most other agencies (including the big ones).

That sets them apart from their competition. True though that not a lot of buyers care about that fact.

I got quite a few big credit sales lately with them so it's not all just bad. And in the end it's money too. These days you can't be picky whether you find 25 cents on the floor or if Crestock keeps earning you those amounts over months. Eventually you'll get a payout, and hey, it' gonna be 50 bucks - that'll buy you a small dinner or a night out at the movies.

click_click do you upload to other subscription sites?

By my calculations they all will need to down prices to Crestock level of breaking all low limits or they will stay out of business...

So, feel free to upload and get rejections on Crestock while other sites sales are down due to short midnded greedy human nature...

What an author you are... It is unbelieveable to see someone who knows to make good photos is downing his work to Crestock level... Quite sorrow I feel for all authors in just few years...

Remember my words if you continue to upload to such ripper sites!

Just delete your whole ports from crestock guys. You are not paid enough to put up with anything about them.

Delete the images, don't get stressed for nothing. 0.25 cents commission speaks for itself.

That is what I am talking about - Only your earnigs matter - shortminded indeed.

What are you talking about? "Only my earnings matter?" Since when am I supposed to worry about your earnings? I do my job, I get paid. Period. Go do yours  instead of blaming me for short mindedness...

Did you saw Crestock 50% off on subscriptions? They go for that to get all other sites out of business with giving unfair discount on already unfair prices on subs!

Do you seriously believe that a tiny company like Crestock could possibly become a serious competitor by offering the first subscription purchase for 50% off?

So you are saying that ALL subscribers at ALL microstock agencies are NOW going to Crestock and completely destroy the microstock industry?
Crestock has been offering that deal for a while now - I wonder why I'm still making money on other subscription sites then...

Yes, you just continue to work with them and you'll soon get your money only from them.

I have confidence that Shutterstock or Getty is not going to be bought out by Crestock so I still count on that income in the future.

Also, I believe there is someone smart in Corbis, Getty or on some other strong agency who will realise what is the problem... So, due to people like you who like to have 'regular' payouts from lowest pricing sites this industry will turn to NANO - no more micro ;-) You will earn 5 cents download soon... What a life dude... I am really sad about that!

I guess you will have to be sad then. You're either a Macro or Ex-Macro photographer or quite new to the microstock business to make such an assessment.
You refuse to accept that people don't want to spend a lot of money for anything which includes images. That's why microstock became so successful and turned the stock industry upside down.

It's not me the photographer, changing the stock world - it's the demand AND the suppliers (agencies) that make the prices.

If you don't want to participate in the industry get out of the business entirely and stop complaining about individual photographers  "who turn micro into nano"

By the way: That Getty was doing is calculated on that you are doing on CS. But on long term it is bad for contributors everywhere! Only agencies will earn money! They count on your picture of 'Regular' payouts to people who will give away their images for free... If you don't understand it what to say further?

"Only agencies will earn money!" - You do realize that this is how it works, right?

I really don't care what agencies you support of who you are with. Go talk to Yuri about your problem and tell him to drop Crestock because then they could close their doors. Maybe your more successful there.

We should stop supporting such ripping off agencies! Feel free to do so.

This kind of feels like history repeating itself. Scary...

As in Godfather trilogy: It's nothing personal - strictly business...

First an foremost, I don't understand why you would go around in a public forum telling people what to do

So, due to people like you who like to have 'regular' payouts from lowest pricing sites this industry will turn to NANO - no more micro

Sorry, but that is personal...

Obviously you have no problem telling me what to do but not Yuri. Please elaborate why his sum is more important to him than my sum to me, since you believe he won't leave Crestock because of that? The same way he pays his bills, I pay mine. And I'm not talking about "making some money". It also means to make a living for me.

You're absolutely entitled to your opinion but pointing fingers at people claiming "people like you..." (in this case me) are ruining an entire industry, is a little bit far fetched in my  view.

Interestingly you also assume that I haven't been involved on the other end in the imaging industry. I'm well aware how happy ad agencies and magazine editors are and have their fun with the micros but you can't deny the fact that time is moving on and the good ol days of traditional macro are over.

Macro will find its new place together with micros (and nanos if you will...) as well as midstock or whatever else some savvy entrepreneur is coming up with.

The whole bloody industry is in a constant change, so nothing is the same every day anyway. Times are moving too fast.

There are clients for everything. Again, don't tell me what to do when it's the buyers that WANT the choice.
Go blame them.

Yuri knows well his maths as well you know yours.

About pointing finger - well I am pointing at ANYONE WHO UPLOAD to such agencies - Not only you or Yuri ;-)

I am not uploading there and I said why I don't upload there. I believe that my expirience and straight given oppinion in this public forum about that is enough.

THIS IS THE POINT: Buyers want it cheap? Well what would you do? You'll give that images cheap? OK come on and work for me then cheap. I will pay you 8 hours of your work say $1 OK? It is because my buyer is paying me $3 for all work needed to be done...

Get reasonable and cut such buyers off! What would happen then? They will pay the price asked or steal from you.

As I said: WE HAVE POWER - NOT AGENCIES just because we are those who CREATE. Agencies are just our retail service! So who has the right to say that you will get 25 cents per image sold for $1? Agency? Come on dude - you are smart and you are acting as you can't do anything about it... That is the main problem... All are happy with peannuts!

If there are low priced sales it is OK with me. But let's be real. Our work, equipment, time spent in production and post, expences for this and that is worth just 25% - 30% of sale price? And agency with its expences, equipment and marketing should have all the rest of sale price? NO - That is my point!

Trust me - iStock can pay you at least 50% more commissions and not even to feel that!

So there is the main what I'd like to happen: to see 50/50 in some more agencies - not as today just in few! How to achieve that? Just pull off all your images from sites who don't run fair policy and they are toast!

And it is very personal if I do something hurting you and opposite!

If you can't understand this I said - then I give up.

Sorry Milinz, I'm not your "dude".

I find it quite disrespectful to approach anybody like that - at least where I come from.

I know this can go on forever but it really buggles me that you claim "people like you" (now you officially included Yuri AND me) are ruining the industry by doing business with Crestock. I don't have to explain that too thoroughly to you but besides the fact that some photographers DO NOT upload to Crestock, there are also quite a few WHO DO.

Obviously all those who do "support" this bad, bad agency must be very, very stupid because all those contributors must want the industry to crash according to your theory - since you claimed that Crestock is: (your quote:

They go for that to get all other sites out of business with giving unfair discount on already unfair prices on subs!

That would mean that everybody uploading to Crestock is an idiot (that would include Yuri)... and pretty much self destructive. I'd be surprised to see Yuri making such a huge mistake.

Buyers want it cheap? Well what would you do? You'll give that images cheap? OK come on and work for me then cheap. I will pay you 8 hours of your work say $1 OK? It is because my buyer is paying me $3 for all work needed to be done...

It appears you have not understood the principle of Microstock. It's about volume. Regarding your statement, not one single photographer would be able to generate income if it would work like that.

You can't compare apples with pears. Working 8 hrs for $1 is miles away from selling a $1 image 2000, 3000 or more times. Honestly, and I really want to understand how you could possibly compare it that way? Please explain.

Needless to say that I have to turn your offer down. Crestock is paying me more a day than that 

If there are low priced sales it is OK with me. But let's be real. Our work, equipment, time spent in production and post, expences for this and that is worth just 25% - 30% of sale price? And agency with its expences, equipment and marketing should have all the rest of sale price? NO - That is my point!

If you see it that way, simply don't participate in microstock. As mentioned above, it's about volume.

It's a free world. Nobody is forcing you to upload your entire content to the micros. If you have a shoot that calculates down to $50 expenses per shot and more, just upload the dang thing to a traditional macro agency. There you will get your return.

As I said: WE HAVE POWER - NOT AGENCIES just because we are those who CREATE. Agencies are just our retail service! So who has the right to say that you will get 25 cents per image sold for $1? Agency? Come on dude - you are smart and you are acting as you can't do anything about it... That is the main problem... All are happy with peannuts!

I never said I can't do anything about whatever... I never complained about Crestock in the first place, so you can count me out on that one.
Secondly, if we, I or you have the power, go sell your stuff yourself on your own site and keep the 100%. There are plenty of photographers that can do that - I can't. It will cost you lots of first hand experience, time, nerves and money and a this point I'm better off having a variety of agents.

I can do a lot - if it comes down to Crestock buying out all other Micros because they will lose all the subscribers, then and only then I will put everything I produce to the Trads. But as of now, a little bit here and a little bit there works just dandy for me.

Ultimately I don't think your experiences can be applied to every single photographer on this planet so why tell them what to do? What works for you might not work for someone else.

Oh yeah one more thing, if there is no photographer, there is no agent. If there is no agent, there won't be a photographer (making money).

...You can't argue that their subscription is lousy because all subscriptions are lousy - go to McDonalds with a sale from Shutterstock and a sale from Crestock - you won't be able to by anything with either commission. Of course the difference is the volume of sales.

Shutterstock has the higher volume of sales and they pay me much more than crestock.  It is $130 every 1,000 subs sales.  The real loss could be substantially more if other sites see we are taking 25 cents for subs sales and don't give us a raise.  I would like to see subs commission increase to $0.50, not stay where they are.

I have a bit more expertize in economy and business due to that I am CEO in one long running marketing/advertising agency.

You are right Milinz - I must have been delirious starting a discussion with a such far superior human being like you...

Therefore my statistics must be wrong and the increase in royalties over the last six years is just my pure imagination but you will probably already have an explanation for that as well.

You can call it what you will - if you put lip stick on a pig, it's still a pig.

Good day.

Volume on one side is good when talking about lower commission sites... But, it is anticipated that on one site you should have millions of images?

Interesting way to look at business...

How many images are there on FOTOSEARCH and JUI or Photos.com? I get downloads from there every day and they are more in volume than high majority gets on other places. Also, they come from 30 cents and way up to even some EL commissions... 25 cents? Yes I'd start now with that commission on SS due to daily volumes I get there.

But, never on CS due to that they want only best images and they pay you almost nothing for them. Also, they are cuting industry prices for buyers which in the future means all will cut prices for buyers...

What a pitty... Some people can't ever understand how economy works...

Milinz! sorry to interrupt

When are you going to realize it takes more than preaching in a forum getting everyone against you, to get what u want.

It�s like walking in to a supermarket screaming: YOU ARE STUPID IF U BUY ANYTHING HERE. DO AS IIIIIII SAY INSTEAD!    How many will follow u?

People are always going to have their own opinions.  you as well...

In one way or another I agree with you, and I belive many do.  Unfortunately it�s a fact that many small=BIG. so it�s hard to quit I guess.

I don't have nothing against to have others against me. It is natural after all because I say something they don't agree. I am not the one who licks everyones butt just to get along with and it is more than obvious in my posts.
And yes it is STUPID to kill your own earnings - so it is true and who ever finds him hurt should first think about why someone says that is something stupid to do. Taking stance to defend stupidity was never my ideal and I am against that! So, if we have smart and stupid approach to this subject as you said, well call it that way. And all those who feel hurt with my post freely can be against me - I don't mind...
I have one nice quote about dancing and music... But, anyway it is no use to place that here because deafs can't understand either music either dance.

Anyway it will just take a bit more time to get CS out of business... So, I go out of here to create some new nice images ;-)

BTW Magnum, You are SMART!