Author Topic: Editorial as Royalty Free on Alamy ? It is already possible? (Read 6618 times)

fotoroad · « **on:** March 18, 2017, 08:52 »

Hi all,
I am not sure if editorial on Alamy can be only RM or I can upload new pic also to Alamy and other places also like RF now?
Thanks

dirkr · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2017, 12:19 »

Since they rolled out their new version of the image manager you can set an "editorial only" flag also for RF images.

fotoroad · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2017, 12:32 »

Quote from: dirkr on March 18, 2017, 12:19

Since they rolled out their new version of the image manager you can set an "editorial only" flag also for RF images.

Thanks, I am just not sure about that, but looks to me like yes also.

unnonimus · « **Reply #3 on:** April 07, 2017, 18:52 »

whether something is "editorial" according to copyright law is based on usage (the buyer) and not the sale or seller. marking something as 'editorial' for sale, without knowing how it will be used, is nonsense, and shows how clueless the stock agencies are.

the sale to a professional (web developer, designer, etc) is not considered 'use'. 'use' means how it is used to present to the general public.

selling on alamy is *not* selling to the general public.

the whole agency is full of it when it comes to editorial use.

what they instead should do is have all content as royalty free, and list if it includes release forms, and let the buyer decide if he needs the release form, since he knows how he is going to use it. for example, news media outlets that write news stories don't need model release forms or property release forms (even though they often request them) because it falls under 'fair use'. therefor, anything they buy is editorial use regardless of how the agency classifies it.

agencies got it wrong. wish they would fix it.

ShadySue · « **Reply #4 on:** April 07, 2017, 19:04 »

Quote from: unnonimus on April 07, 2017, 18:52

what they instead should do is have all content as royalty free,

Why always RF?
What do you have against RM, which can be cheaper for the buyer if they only want a particular use with no exclusivity.
You don't seem to understand (as many don't) that RF/RM and editorial/commercial are separate issues.

Anyway, it's up to every agency to decide how they want to run. If an agency wants to be RF only, RM only, unaltered images only, commerical/released only, it's up to them.
Of course, we all wish agencies would operate as we wished (though we don't all wish the same things). But the bottom line is that for that, we have to build our own library to sell under our own terms.

Chichikov · « **Reply #5 on:** April 08, 2017, 00:45 »

Quote from: ShadySue on April 07, 2017, 19:04

Quote from: unnonimus on April 07, 2017, 18:52
what they instead should do is have all content as royalty free,
Why always RF?
What do you have against RM, which can be cheaper for the buyer if they only want a particular use with no exclusivity.
You don't seem to understand (as many don't) that RF/RM and editorial/commercial are separate issues.

Anyway, it's up to every agency to decide how they want to run. If an agency wants to be RF only, RM only, unaltered images only, commerical/released only, it's up to them.
Of course, we all wish agencies would operate as we wished (though we don't all wish the same things). But the bottom line is that for that, we have to build our own library to sell under our own terms.

As I have understood (but it is possible that I have not) you cannot put your images as RM on Alamy if you sell them on other sites, isn't it?

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #6 on:** April 08, 2017, 00:54 »

Quote from: fotoroad on March 18, 2017, 08:52

Hi all,
I am not sure if editorial on Alamy can be only RM or I can upload new pic also to Alamy and other places also like RF now?
Thanks

Forget the legal eagle remarks. All that matters is what Alamy's rules are.
They used to say they wanted stuff uploaded to the same kind of license elsewhere as it was with them, and seemed to accept that Editorial was the same as their RM (though actually it wasn't). Now that they have started selling RF and RM and, I believe, RM as RF I'm not sure what rules they have for that.
They used to have an RM Exclusive license, which meant only they had the content - I don't know what they have done with that, it doesn't seem to be there on the new uploading system. At that time you could obviously upload RM elsewhere as long as it wasn't Alamy exclusive.
If they just have two license types now, then presumably it is the Alamy RM Exclusive license that has gone, and the old exclusive content is being sold on the same license as non-exclusive.

ShadySue · « **Reply #7 on:** April 08, 2017, 03:30 »

In the optional section when uploading, you can tick a box if you wish you indicate that a file is exclusive to Alamy.
All the old Alamy Exclusive meant was that in the very rare event that a buyer wanted a degree of image exclusivity, Alamy had a record of previous sales and didn't have to contact you for that info. I don't know if ticking the box nowadays has any more significance.

Editorial was not the same as their RM. Contributers could always opt to have commercially-available material RM or RF. They chose to have unreleased files as RM only for a while, but now allow RF-editorial. They are a lot stricter than even IS on what they say requires a release. That of course is their prerogative.

ShadySue · « **Reply #8 on:** April 08, 2017, 03:39 »

Quote from: Chichikov on April 08, 2017, 00:45

Quote from: ShadySue on April 07, 2017, 19:04
Quote from: unnonimus on April 07, 2017, 18:52
what they instead should do is have all content as royalty free,
Why always RF?
What do you have against RM, which can be cheaper for the buyer if they only want a particular use with no exclusivity.
You don't seem to understand (as many don't) that RF/RM and editorial/commercial are separate issues.

Anyway, it's up to every agency to decide how they want to run. If an agency wants to be RF only, RM only, unaltered images only, commerical/released only, it's up to them.
Of course, we all wish agencies would operate as we wished (though we don't all wish the same things). But the bottom line is that for that, we have to build our own library to sell under our own terms.

As I have understood (but it is possible that I have not) you cannot put your images as RM on Alamy if you sell them on other sites, isn't it?

Only if you sell RF on other sites. If you sell RM elsewhere, that's OK. It's just in case a buyer wants some sort if exclusivity for an image.

I'm not sure how that bears on what I wrote.
Unanimous wrote that he wanted all files to be RF. I wrote that I prefer that we have the choice.