Author Topic: 2013 is here - how about the promisses? (Read 73354 times)

alids · « **Reply #275 on:** December 23, 2012, 07:20 »

Quote from: grafix04 on December 23, 2012, 06:31

Quote from: alids on December 23, 2012, 02:19
Quite a bit has been said lately about the actual commission paid per credit by 123RF due to the selling of discounted credits, with many people claiming that a large quantity of their credit sales are discounted to some degree or other.

Based on my last couple of hundered of credit sales at 123RF, I have received £200.53 in commissions from 508 credits. This is from 195 actual credit image sales, which should represent an acceptable sample size to base some calculations on.

This equates to an actual average price paid by the buyer of $0.79 per credit (however I have seen much larger discounts on individual sales - many in the 50% plus discount range).

Using the average credit price paid by the buyer we can come up with a $ royalty commision for each image size for each of the proposed new levels at 123RF, something which has been hard to do in the past due to the wide range in actual dollar commissions recived due to the dicounted credits.

The following tabel shows the $amounts paid for the new levels, based on $0.79 per credit purchase price.

123RF Small   Medium   Large   XLarge   XXLarge
Image 400x    881x     2607x   3600x    2800x
Dimensions     247     544     1609     2221     4214
Level 1 (30%)     $0.24    $0.47    $0.71   $0.95    $1.18
Level 2 (35%)     $0.28    $0.55    $0.83   $1.11    $1.38
Level 3 (40%)     $0.32    $0.63    $0.95   $1.26    $1.58
Level 4 (45%)     $0.36    $0.71    $1.07   $1.42    $1.78
Level 5 (50%)     $0.39    $0.79    $1.18   $1.58    $1.97

This can then be compared to Fotolia and Depositphotos:

Fotolia XSmall   Small   Medium   Large   XLarge
Image 485x     850x    1691x     2360x   4214x
Dimensions    282     565     1124     1568    2800
White Level (20%) $0.20    $0.60   $1.00     $1.40   $1.60
Bronze Level (23%) $0.23    $0.69   $1.15     $1.61   $1.84
Silver Level (25%)     $0.25    $0.75 $1.25     $1.75    $2.00

Deposit Photos XSmall   Small   Medium   Large   XLarge
Image 425x     867x    1735x     2454x   4214x
Dimensions     282     576     1153     1630     2800
Green Level (44%) $0.35   $0.66    $1.32     $1.76   $2.64
Bronze 46% $0.46   $0.92   $1.84     $2.76   $3.68
Silver 48% $0.48   $0.96   $1.92     $2.88   $3.84
Gold 50% $0.50    $1.00   $2.00     $3.00   $4.00

One thing that people do need to take into account is the actual images sizes sold, eg 123RF does not have XS and therefore a 123RF small equates to a Fotolia / DP XSmall. However Large is comparable across all 3 of the sites.

If we take Large as an example even a lowly White Level contributor at Fotolia would earn $1.40, a Green Level contributor at DP would earn $1.76, whereas a Level 1 contributor at 123RF would earn $0.71 (next year), with even a Level 5 Contributor at 50% (next year) only earning $1.18.

123Rf seems to compare better at the small/medium sizes but pays much less from large image size upwards.

Hopefully this goes some way to showing the levels of actual $royalties paid and clearly shows that the actual %commission isn't the be all and end all in determining whether a site pay a good or bad commission.

123Rf has been seen as paying a high commission % up till now, however 50% of a low credit price (especially when discounted further for buyers) equates to a lower royalty payment in $ than many sites paying a lower %.

Food for thought and some discussion.

Andy, great effort putting that together. I'm guessing your intention was to compare the three cheapest micro sites that are leading the race to the bottom?

I appreciate your effort because apart from them ripping us off in the other ways, you've just highlighted another reason for me to leave. Considering DP will give a better return than 123rf will next year, and that I've left DP because they're too cheap and their commissions are too low, what does that say about 123rf?

123 may compare better than FT at the lower levels but we have to remember that not too long ago FT didn't look like that. They've had two commission cuts in the same year and have changed their levels, moving the goalposts for everyone which resulted in many contributors turning against them. So showing that 123rf who is a low volume, relative new site is not much better than FT, who has been around, is a high volume site and a top earner doesn't say much for them apart from saying that 123 has a real nerve thinking they can get away with acting as bad as the big boys without seeing any consequences.

Thanks again.

The main reason for comparing against Fotolia and DP was due to the previous cuts at FT and the previous concerns over low prices and commissions at DP.

However when 123RF plan to drop their commissions for most, with even a large download for a level 5 contributor paying less than an entry level contributor would receive at both Fotolia and DP, then the comparisons should be made and people should take note. Plus anyone below level 5 is going to get shafted even more.

With the comparisons put side by side, each individual contributor can make a personal decison based on their port size, sales, level next year and expectations for 123RF. Until I carried out the comparison I had assumed that DP would be lower, but it seems that 123Rf are lower now and will be even lower for the majority next year.

My port (although small - only 600 images) will be getting deleted in the new year. With their low image credit prices, discounted credit pack prices I think they are heading the race to the bottom more so than others and dont really have the volume of sales to pull stunts like this.

grafix04 · « **Reply #276 on:** December 23, 2012, 07:36 »

Quote from: alids on December 23, 2012, 07:20

Quote from: grafix04 on December 23, 2012, 06:31
Quote from: alids on December 23, 2012, 02:19
Quite a bit has been said lately about the actual commission paid per credit by 123RF due to the selling of discounted credits, with many people claiming that a large quantity of their credit sales are discounted to some degree or other.

Based on my last couple of hundered of credit sales at 123RF, I have received £200.53 in commissions from 508 credits. This is from 195 actual credit image sales, which should represent an acceptable sample size to base some calculations on.

This equates to an actual average price paid by the buyer of $0.79 per credit (however I have seen much larger discounts on individual sales - many in the 50% plus discount range).

Using the average credit price paid by the buyer we can come up with a $ royalty commision for each image size for each of the proposed new levels at 123RF, something which has been hard to do in the past due to the wide range in actual dollar commissions recived due to the dicounted credits.

The following tabel shows the $amounts paid for the new levels, based on $0.79 per credit purchase price.

123RF Small   Medium   Large   XLarge   XXLarge
Image 400x    881x     2607x   3600x    2800x
Dimensions     247     544     1609     2221     4214
Level 1 (30%)     $0.24    $0.47    $0.71   $0.95    $1.18
Level 2 (35%)     $0.28    $0.55    $0.83   $1.11    $1.38
Level 3 (40%)     $0.32    $0.63    $0.95   $1.26    $1.58
Level 4 (45%)     $0.36    $0.71    $1.07   $1.42    $1.78
Level 5 (50%)     $0.39    $0.79    $1.18   $1.58    $1.97

This can then be compared to Fotolia and Depositphotos:

Fotolia XSmall   Small   Medium   Large   XLarge
Image 485x     850x    1691x     2360x   4214x
Dimensions    282     565     1124     1568    2800
White Level (20%) $0.20    $0.60   $1.00     $1.40   $1.60
Bronze Level (23%) $0.23    $0.69   $1.15     $1.61   $1.84
Silver Level (25%)     $0.25    $0.75 $1.25     $1.75    $2.00

Deposit Photos XSmall   Small   Medium   Large   XLarge
Image 425x     867x    1735x     2454x   4214x
Dimensions     282     576     1153     1630     2800
Green Level (44%) $0.35   $0.66    $1.32     $1.76   $2.64
Bronze 46% $0.46   $0.92   $1.84     $2.76   $3.68
Silver 48% $0.48   $0.96   $1.92     $2.88   $3.84
Gold 50% $0.50    $1.00   $2.00     $3.00   $4.00

One thing that people do need to take into account is the actual images sizes sold, eg 123RF does not have XS and therefore a 123RF small equates to a Fotolia / DP XSmall. However Large is comparable across all 3 of the sites.

If we take Large as an example even a lowly White Level contributor at Fotolia would earn $1.40, a Green Level contributor at DP would earn $1.76, whereas a Level 1 contributor at 123RF would earn $0.71 (next year), with even a Level 5 Contributor at 50% (next year) only earning $1.18.

123Rf seems to compare better at the small/medium sizes but pays much less from large image size upwards.

Hopefully this goes some way to showing the levels of actual $royalties paid and clearly shows that the actual %commission isn't the be all and end all in determining whether a site pay a good or bad commission.

123Rf has been seen as paying a high commission % up till now, however 50% of a low credit price (especially when discounted further for buyers) equates to a lower royalty payment in $ than many sites paying a lower %.

Food for thought and some discussion.

Andy, great effort putting that together. I'm guessing your intention was to compare the three cheapest micro sites that are leading the race to the bottom?

I appreciate your effort because apart from them ripping us off in the other ways, you've just highlighted another reason for me to leave. Considering DP will give a better return than 123rf will next year, and that I've left DP because they're too cheap and their commissions are too low, what does that say about 123rf?

123 may compare better than FT at the lower levels but we have to remember that not too long ago FT didn't look like that. They've had two commission cuts in the same year and have changed their levels, moving the goalposts for everyone which resulted in many contributors turning against them. So showing that 123rf who is a low volume, relative new site is not much better than FT, who has been around, is a high volume site and a top earner doesn't say much for them apart from saying that 123 has a real nerve thinking they can get away with acting as bad as the big boys without seeing any consequences.

Thanks again.

The main reason for comparing against Fotolia and DP was due to the previous cuts at FT and the previous concerns over low prices and commissions at DP.

However when 123RF plan to drop their commissions for most, with even a large download for a level 5 contributor paying less than an entry level contributor would receive at both Fotolia and DP, then the comparisons should be made and people should take note. Plus anyone below level 5 is going to get shafted even more.

With the comparisons put side by side, each individual contributor can make a personal decison based on their port size, sales, level next year and expectations for 123RF. Until I carried out the comparison I had assumed that DP would be lower, but it seems that 123Rf are lower now and will be even lower for the majority next year.

My port (although small - only 600 images) will be getting deleted in the new year. With their low image credit prices, discounted credit pack prices I think they are heading the race to the bottom more so than others and dont really have the volume of sales to pull stunts like this.

Thanks for the explanation and you're right, I made the assumption that DP was worse too. Actually, I'm not so sure that they're not because they too began discounting some time ago. I'm not sure if it was a one off incident or if it became a regular thing. I didn't hang around to find out.

123 won't go unpunished. Both FT and IS are losing ground after their commission cuts so why anyone would believe that 123 won't be effected by this has got me beat.

CD123 · « **Reply #277 on:** December 23, 2012, 07:42 »

grafix04 & RT - just knock it off you 2 - get the Christmas spirit!

heywoody · « **Reply #278 on:** December 23, 2012, 07:43 »

Quote from: alids on December 23, 2012, 07:20

My port (although small - only 600 images) will be getting deleted in the new year. With their low image credit prices, discounted credit pack prices I think they are heading the race to the bottom more so than others and dont really have the volume of sales to pull stunts like this.

This is the root of the thing. IS @ 15% and 10% of the port makes double 123 @ 50%. No anger, no worrying about "fairness", they simply won't be worth the effort.

grafix04 · « **Reply #279 on:** December 23, 2012, 08:03 »

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 07:42

grafix04 & RT - just knock it off you 2 - get the Christmas spirit!

He hasn't ruined mine, don't worry. And neither has 123rf I couldn't give a hoot about either

RT · « **Reply #280 on:** December 23, 2012, 08:23 »

Quote from: grafix04 on December 23, 2012, 06:47

Now I’m going to go back to skipping over your posts because they're as crappy as 123rf's gallery. Usually your babble is contained in the IS threads which I've learned to tune out since it's full of the same grumpy old men bickering about the same issues over and over again for years. It's a shame your babble had to spill into and ruin this thread. You've been talking the same 'shite' since the Talkmicro days. You bored back then and you're still doing it. I have never had time for you, let alone respect.

Wow a minute ago you claimed to not know anything about me and now it appears you've been stalking me for years, seriously I have no idea who you are and don't really care, I've tried to be polite throughout this thread but you're trying to drag it down to a petty insult match, I'm not getting involved in that.
I gave my opinion which is what these forums are meant to be for whether you like it or not, if you don't agree with me fine but I'm not going to enter into a childish insult match with you. Do what you what about 123RF it won't effect me.

Microstock Posts · « **Reply #281 on:** December 23, 2012, 08:24 »

Quote from: RT on December 22, 2012, 19:38

I work dammed hard to reach the levels I have, I admit I'm easily into the level to retain 50% but that's because I've done the work to get there,..

You've done the work to get to goalposts which were created years after many joined. When the goalposts are moved again and if you don't make the level you desire, will you say it was because you didn't work hard enough?

RT · « **Reply #282 on:** December 23, 2012, 08:29 »

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 07:42

grafix04 & RT - just knock it off you 2 - get the Christmas spirit!

Sorry I should have known better than to offer an opinion, I just don't understand some people who like to moan about a site but do nothing about it, and I really don't understand why people like him are always looking to blame others for being a failure. I'll ignore him from now on. Have a good Christmas

JPSDK · « **Reply #283 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:00 »

Quote from: RT on December 23, 2012, 08:29

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 07:42
grafix04 & RT - just knock it off you 2 - get the Christmas spirit!

Sorry I should have known better than to offer an opinion, I just don't understand some people who like to moan about a site but do nothing about it, and I really don't understand why people like him are always looking to blame others for being a failure. I'll ignore him from now on. Have a good Christmas

Right.
You two guys are both competent people. Its a waste to argue against eachother, and especially on such a personal level.
There are people out there (agencies) who love when "the peasants" are divided. Thats why they play all the tricks with commisions for someone and not for others.
Divide and conquer.
a classic. Have you noticed how many of their efforts have to do with exactly that? In the current sutuation it is because SOME stays at 50% whereas others do not, that cause the disagreement between two of our members.
"El pueblo unido jamais sera vencido!

RT · « **Reply #284 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:00 »

Quote from: Microstock Posts on December 23, 2012, 08:24

Quote from: RT on December 22, 2012, 19:38
I work dammed hard to reach the levels I have, I admit I'm easily into the level to retain 50% but that's because I've done the work to get there,..

You've done the work to get to goalposts which were created years after many joined. When the goalposts are moved again and if you don't make the level you desire, will you say it was because you didn't work hard enough?

That's a very good question (makes a pleasant change). I'll give you my answer, sorry if it waffles on a bit.

FT changed the goalposts a few years ago and I was one of those who "suffered" (I don't actually think I've suffered) because they were one of the last sites I joined, I sell more there and have a higher ranking number than some others I know who joined them earlier on but sell very little, and yet that person could have a better badge. To be honest though I couldn't care less about which shiny little badge I have next to my name, it's the money I'm interested in which at the moment isn't affected.

If I continue to upload high quality work to FT but they decide to change their ranking just before I get to the next level, then no I wouldn't say it was down to me.

123RF scale is based on the previous 12 months credits, if I stop uploading there and next year I take a drop, then yes absolutely I'd blame myself for not doing the hard work

If you read back through what I've written earlier in this thread you'll see that I've mentioned I feel sorry for anyone who does regularly produce quality work albeit not in a high enough quantity to have maintained their 50%, however there's a few here that have moaned about dropping percentages but have then mentioned how they haven't uploaded there for the last year, to me they are just plain stupid, anybody who knows anything about microstock knows that in order to succeed you need to 'feed the beast', if you don't and you suffer the consequences, it is my opinion that you only have one person to blame.

I think the big difference here is that 123RF are basing their royalty rates on an ongoing sales record, at the moment they are the only site doing so, but I wouldn't be surprised to see others follow suit, 123RF did give us notice about this and we all had the opportunity to do something about it, some chose to do nothing and now are moaning about it - some tried and yet are going to suffer, I feel sorry for the latter group.

grafix04 · « **Reply #285 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:02 »

Quote from: RT on December 23, 2012, 08:23

Quote from: grafix04 on December 23, 2012, 06:47
Now I’m going to go back to skipping over your posts because they're as crappy as 123rf's gallery. Usually your babble is contained in the IS threads which I've learned to tune out since it's full of the same grumpy old men bickering about the same issues over and over again for years. It's a shame your babble had to spill into and ruin this thread. You've been talking the same 'shite' since the Talkmicro days. You bored back then and you're still doing it. I have never had time for you, let alone respect.

Wow a minute ago you claimed to not know anything about me and now it appears you've been stalking me for years, seriously I have no idea who you are and don't really care, I've tried to be polite throughout this thread but you're trying to drag it down to a petty insult match, I'm not getting involved in that.
I gave my opinion which is what these forums are meant to be for whether you like it or not, if you don't agree with me fine but I'm not going to enter into a childish insult match with you. Do what you what about 123RF it won't effect me.

Stalking you for years? Lol, get off it will you, what's wrong with you? Try ignoring you for years. Which is why I have no idea where you contribute these days.

Lol, you tried to be polite? I think it's pretty clear that it was you that began with the arrogant remarks and the insults.

And thanks for giving me permission to 'do what I ~~what~~ want about 123rf' I was obviously at a standstill waiting for your permission to make a move

But in the spirit of Christmas (and to make CD happy), Merry Christmas!

grafix04 · « **Reply #286 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:11 »

Quote from: RT on December 23, 2012, 09:00

however there's a few here that have moaned about dropping percentages but have then mentioned how they haven't uploaded there for the last year, to me they are just plain stupid, anybody who knows anything about microstock knows that in order to succeed you need to 'feed the beast', if you don't and you suffer the consequences, it is my opinion that you only have one person to blame.

Is this you trying your hardest to be polite again?

Lol, suffer what consequences? I dropped six microstock sites and stopped uploading to two in the last year and have just about doubled my income.

I have not suffered anything but you said you have and you will again with 123rf. So who's stupid?

JPSDK · « **Reply #287 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:24 »

Come on guys. Read my above post.

And then let us not forget, that we are only people, sitting alone there out in the dark, and we are all trying to press some meagre dollars out of the stones.
There are others at the other side of the ridge, who stand there with their baskets and simply collect all the ore that automatically falls into it.

When you are alone out there in the dark, it is natural to be an oppertunist, and try to collect, even when the share is lousy.
We have this forum to bring forward all the lousiness and abuse, not to demean eachother.

CD123 · « **Reply #288 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:44 »

No other way now - CHILDREN! SHUT THE F*CK UP (OR NO PRESENTS)!!!

grafix04 · « **Reply #289 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:48 »

Quote from: JPSDK on December 23, 2012, 09:24

Come on guys. Read my above post.

And then let us not forget, that we are only people, sitting alone there out in the dark, and we are all trying to press some meagre dollars out of the stones.
There are others at the other side of the ridge, who stand there with their baskets and simply collect all the ore that automatically falls into it.

When you are alone out there in the dark, it is natural to be an oppertunist, and try to collect, even when the share is lousy.
We have this forum to bring forward all the lousiness and abuse, not to demean eachother.

I did and I was just about to reply to yours, but then he called me stupid so I replied to him instead

But I agree with you. I'm not here to demean others (unlike some). I wasn't asking anyone to leave 123rf. In another thread I even recommended that people stay put until they find alternative sources of income.

Leaving 123rf won't have any effect on me but I'm still here to voice my concerns to support those it will have an effect on. RT just doesn't seem to get it. There are others who have reached level 4 or 5 but have still offered their support and shown their concern about the site. People like Jo Ann, Lisa and fotografer have stated that they'll sit pretty on the site but have still expressed their disapproval of what 123rf is doing and without knocking people down and getting personal.

I know what he's like. He can't help himself so either this continues on and we call either other stupid like children or I go back to ignoring him so I can focus on the real issue. I'm not interested in his opinions when they're jumbled in a bunch of insults so he'll be ignored... Christmas or not

RT · « **Reply #290 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:49 »

Quote from: grafix04 on December 23, 2012, 09:11

Is this you trying your hardest to be polite again?

Lol, suffer what consequences? I dropped six microstock sites and stopped uploading to two in the last year and have just about doubled my income.

Sorry I'm trying to be polite, but if you can think of a better word for someone who describes something they really don't like but they continue to do it anyway by all means let me know and I'll use that word.

Quote from: grafix04 on December 23, 2012, 09:11

I have not suffered anything but you said you have and you will again with 123rf. So who's stupid?

Again you've misquoted me, I'll forgive you because you mentioned earlier that English isn't your native tongue, I put suffered in "" which means I'm using that term because I couldn't think of a better one but I don't really mean it, I did also clarify that in the (). Just to be totally clear for you I am not going to suffer from the changes on 123RF
To be factual though you have suffered because you've mentioned your percentages are going to drop.

Glad to hear your incomes nearly doubled by dropping six microstock sites, it does however reinforce my question and really confuse me as to why you're battling on here about 123RF instead of just dropping them, and I'm biting my tongue not to call you ...........

JPSDK · « **Reply #291 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:53 »

I once was a school teacher who dealt with unruly children.
It seems to be my lot in life.

You are BOTH competent people. You are being deterred.

RT · « **Reply #292 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:54 »

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 09:44

No other way now - CHILDREN! SHUT THE F*CK UP (OR NO PRESENTS)!!!

With all due respect we're just having a bit of mild banter, no rude words and with the odd serious question (certainly on my behalf) in the middle, I really do want to know why he and others who are so unhappy at 123RF just don't leave. So far you're the only one who's resorted to swearing.

Many people have expressed what I would consider as serious reasons why I wouldn't want to stay at a site, and yet they still are!

CD123 · « **Reply #293 on:** December 23, 2012, 09:59 »

Quote from: RT on December 23, 2012, 09:54

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 09:44
No other way now - CHILDREN! SHUT THE F*CK UP (OR NO PRESENTS)!!!

With all due respect we're just having a bit of mild banter, no rude words and with the odd serious question (certainly on my behalf) in the middle, I really do want to know why he and others who are so unhappy at 123RF just don't leave. So far you're the only one who's resorted to swearing.

Many people have expressed what I would consider as serious reasons why I wouldn't want to stay at a site, and yet they still are!

That was said tongue in cheek (I will not take your present away without due legal notice

).

If you read this thread from the start + this one
http://www.microstockgroup.com/123royaltyfree-com/123rf-royalty-cuts-what-will-you-do/ it will answer a lot of your questions.

RT · « **Reply #294 on:** December 23, 2012, 10:07 »

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 09:59

That was said tongue in cheek (I will not take your present away without due legal notice ).

That's good thanks, I'm still wrapping yours!

I'm going to pull out of this thread now, I've stopped work for Christmas and only wanted to have a bit of involvement on the forum, I got involved with grafix04 because he answered my post, but now he keeps twisting my words and misquoting me so much that it's getting boring for all concerned. Add to this we appear to have a 'history' although I have no idea who he/she is.

FTR as he's twisted my reply above (once again) as I've said on numerous occasions in this thread I'm sorry to hear some are taking a drop and I've never said I support what 123RF are doing, and no doubt he'll twist this but if you read back my posts you'll see what I've said for yourself.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #295 on:** December 23, 2012, 10:32 »

Quote from: alids on December 23, 2012, 02:19

Quite a bit has been said lately about the actual commission paid per credit by 123RF due to the selling of discounted credits, with many people claiming that a large quantity of their credit sales are discounted to some degree or other.

Based on my last couple of hundered of credit sales at 123RF, I have received £200.53 in commissions from 508 credits. This is from 195 actual credit image sales, which should represent an acceptable sample size to base some calculations on.

This equates to an actual average price paid by the buyer of $0.79 per credit (however I have seen much larger discounts on individual sales - many in the 50% plus discount range).

Using the average credit price paid by the buyer we can come up with a $ royalty commision for each image size for each of the proposed new levels at 123RF, something which has been hard to do in the past due to the wide range in actual dollar commissions recived due to the dicounted credits.

The following tabel shows the $amounts paid for the new levels, based on $0.79 per credit purchase price.

123RF Small   Medium   Large   XLarge   XXLarge
Image 400x    881x     2607x   3600x    2800x
Dimensions     247     544     1609     2221     4214
Level 1 (30%)     $0.24    $0.47    $0.71   $0.95    $1.18
Level 2 (35%)     $0.28    $0.55    $0.83   $1.11    $1.38
Level 3 (40%)     $0.32    $0.63    $0.95   $1.26    $1.58
Level 4 (45%)     $0.36    $0.71    $1.07   $1.42    $1.78
Level 5 (50%)     $0.39    $0.79    $1.18   $1.58    $1.97

This can then be compared to Fotolia and Depositphotos:

Fotolia XSmall   Small   Medium   Large   XLarge
Image 485x     850x    1691x     2360x   4214x
Dimensions    282     565     1124     1568    2800
White Level (20%) $0.20    $0.60   $1.00     $1.40   $1.60
Bronze Level (23%) $0.23    $0.69   $1.15     $1.61   $1.84
Silver Level (25%)     $0.25    $0.75 $1.25     $1.75    $2.00

Deposit Photos XSmall   Small   Medium   Large   XLarge
Image 425x     867x    1735x     2454x   4214x
Dimensions     282     576     1153     1630     2800
Green Level (44%) $0.35   $0.66    $1.32     $1.76   $2.64
Bronze 46% $0.46   $0.92   $1.84     $2.76   $3.68
Silver 48% $0.48   $0.96   $1.92     $2.88   $3.84
Gold 50% $0.50    $1.00   $2.00     $3.00   $4.00

One thing that people do need to take into account is the actual images sizes sold, eg 123RF does not have XS and therefore a 123RF small equates to a Fotolia / DP XSmall. However Large is comparable across all 3 of the sites.

If we take Large as an example even a lowly White Level contributor at Fotolia would earn $1.40, a Green Level contributor at DP would earn $1.76, whereas a Level 1 contributor at 123RF would earn $0.71 (next year), with even a Level 5 Contributor at 50% (next year) only earning $1.18.

123Rf seems to compare better at the small/medium sizes but pays much less from large image size upwards.

Hopefully this goes some way to showing the levels of actual $royalties paid and clearly shows that the actual %commission isn't the be all and end all in determining whether a site pay a good or bad commission.

123Rf has been seen as paying a high commission % up till now, however 50% of a low credit price (especially when discounted further for buyers) equates to a lower royalty payment in $ than many sites paying a lower %.

Food for thought and some discussion.

GREAT POST .. Thanks for the chart and the effort. Is there a way we could put a sticky on this?
... @Leaf

CD123 · « **Reply #296 on:** December 23, 2012, 10:43 »

Quote from: RT on December 23, 2012, 10:07

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 09:59
That was said tongue in cheek (I will not take your present away without due legal notice ).

That's good thanks, I'm still wrapping yours!

I'm going to pull out of this thread now, I've stopped work for Christmas and only wanted to have a bit of involvement on the forum, I got involved with grafix04 because he answered my post, but now he keeps twisting my words and misquoting me so much that it's getting boring for all concerned. Add to this we appear to have a 'history' although I have no idea who he/she is.

FTR as he's twisted my reply above (once again) as I've said on numerous occasions in this thread I'm sorry to hear some are taking a drop and I've never said I support what 123RF are doing, and no doubt he'll twist this but if you read back my posts you'll see what I've said for yourself.

If you read the other thread I referred you to, you will find some quite logical reasons why some people are very unhappy with 123RF, but can not afford to leave them. It is unfortunately not just an open and shut case of being unhappy, your out, happy, you stay.

JPSDK · « **Reply #297 on:** December 23, 2012, 10:48 »

I took a drop of 50% to 30%
Which means they are going to take a 70% drop.
Then they can have fun with 70% of nothing.

add to that sleazyness and BS.
and balance the scales with a few 100 dollars, it will be a pleasure....

grafix04 · « **Reply #298 on:** December 23, 2012, 10:58 »

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 10:43

Quote from: RT on December 23, 2012, 10:07
Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 09:59
That was said tongue in cheek (I will not take your present away without due legal notice ).

That's good thanks, I'm still wrapping yours!

I'm going to pull out of this thread now, I've stopped work for Christmas and only wanted to have a bit of involvement on the forum, I got involved with grafix04 because he answered my post, but now he keeps twisting my words and misquoting me so much that it's getting boring for all concerned. Add to this we appear to have a 'history' although I have no idea who he/she is.

FTR as he's twisted my reply above (once again) as I've said on numerous occasions in this thread I'm sorry to hear some are taking a drop and I've never said I support what 123RF are doing, and no doubt he'll twist this but if you read back my posts you'll see what I've said for yourself.

If you read the other thread I referred you to, you will find some quite logical reasons why some people are very unhappy with 123RF, but can not afford to leave them. It is unfortunately not just an open and shut case of being unhappy, your out, happy, you stay.

This is the part where he reads it but pretends not to read it, in order to not have to admit he's wrong

I did ignore him but it's not much point when people quote him.

The 'history' bit made me laugh. Maybe he thinks I'm his ex wife or something

There is no history apart from him being annoying and rude to people years ago and me ignoring him years ago. That's as far as the history goes. It's not as if I've spent much time in the forums.

WarrenPrice · « **Reply #299 on:** December 23, 2012, 11:00 »

Quote from: grafix04 on December 23, 2012, 10:58

Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 10:43
Quote from: RT on December 23, 2012, 10:07
Quote from: CD123 on December 23, 2012, 09:59
That was said tongue in cheek (I will not take your present away without due legal notice ).

That's good thanks, I'm still wrapping yours!

I'm going to pull out of this thread now, I've stopped work for Christmas and only wanted to have a bit of involvement on the forum, I got involved with grafix04 because he answered my post, but now he keeps twisting my words and misquoting me so much that it's getting boring for all concerned. Add to this we appear to have a 'history' although I have no idea who he/she is.

FTR as he's twisted my reply above (once again) as I've said on numerous occasions in this thread I'm sorry to hear some are taking a drop and I've never said I support what 123RF are doing, and no doubt he'll twist this but if you read back my posts you'll see what I've said for yourself.

If you read the other thread I referred you to, you will find some quite logical reasons why some people are very unhappy with 123RF, but can not afford to leave them. It is unfortunately not just an open and shut case of being unhappy, your out, happy, you stay.

This is the part where he reads it but pretends not to read it, in order to not have to admit he's wrong

I did ignore him but it's not much point when people quote him.

The 'history' bit made me laugh. Maybe he thinks I'm his ex wife or something There is no history apart from him being annoying and rude to people years ago and me ignoring him years ago. That's as far as the history goes. It's not as if I've spent much time in the forums.

It sure seems like a lot. $:-\$

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